Not your fault

Not your fault
Toad,
Thank you for writing this. I am especially happy that Jeff saw it.
Both of you, all of us, I am sorry you've been through this.
Hey Bri I still have your day-shade on my desktop. goes good with my desktop picture of one of the Norwegian Fjords. I open it when I want to find out more about my past. You're looking great these days. you've come a long way. I've put on a lot of weight since 2011. I cold turkey'd out of Dr.G and my EMDR T and stopped all my meds. That was not smart but so far my brains are still in my head. Maybe we can get together on messages, not tonight but maybe tomorrow. I miss ya and Josh.
 
Hey Bri I still have your day-shade on my desktop. goes good with my desktop picture of one of the Norwegian Fjords. I open it when I want to find out more about my past. You're looking great these days. you've come a long way. I've put on a lot of weight since 2011. I cold turkey'd out of Dr.G and my EMDR T and stopped all my meds. That was not smart but so far my brains are still in my head. Maybe we can get together on messages, not tonight but maybe tomorrow. I miss ya and Josh.
Hi Jeff!
Lets PM
 
This is all the long and short of it for me and I appreciate you guys posting it so much and can't imagine anyone would complain.

Simply put this is what CSA means to me. I never saw it as anything else, I knew what I was. I knew what it meant and the therapists and everyone saying "oh just get on with it," and "you can't change the past."

I mean once you are sexualised at that age you know what happens.

I remember before I actually understood I'd been abused I would think back and see myself at a very early age and I can see that I'm "all grown up" about sex meaning I felt the same way about it when I was 6 or 7 as I do now or as I always have.

The confusion this causes about who and what you are and how the phuck are you supposed to relate to the world is so mind boggling and I didn't. I couldn't.

All I could do was pretend it didn't happen. Whilst I was screaming for someone to help me. That struggle took up all my resources.

But this is what it is. This way it's not sugar coated.

I looked like a little kid. I wasn't though, I was something else.
 
Hey Mach123
This is all the long and short of it for me and I appreciate you guys posting it so much and can't imagine anyone would complain.
Are you saying someone here is complaining? I hope I didn't say anything that triggered you. When I was 10 I thought that sucking someone willie made them happy with me and that a willie up my ass was love. I would always give ass to papasan and work on his willie. He did the same to me and it felt good. I loved him and I wanted him to be happy with me and I wanted him to love me. I realize now that was not sex. I did feel it was love, the only love I ever got. Sex is what grownups do. We didn't do sex as kids but we were made to make people happy.

"While other kids were outplaying with guns, I was learning how to "please" a man. I was taught how to be a "woman."
I don't think you could have said this any better. Being a very late bloomer I was always called a little girl, a cunt and my little bitch. Among other ways to call me a little girl. That went on right up until I went into the USAF at 18. I just mentioned it here on one of these threads that I was taken to a john, I must have been around 11-12, and when the john opened the door and took a look at a long blond-haired kid he made me open my pants to make sure I wasn't a girl before I could come in. But the rest of the night I was referred to as his little girl. johns would tell me that I would make a beautiful little girl.

I knew I was gay at a young age mainly because my best friend Lanny was gay and his sister told us we were meant to be with one another. That didn't help when I was taken to johns parties or weekend dates with some john.

Peace bro
 
hey toad

It's getting really bad now. It's so easy to create porn. Hardcore shit is also getting easier to produce. but as the porn shit gets more sophisticated, organizations like the mafia will control it. They will still control the skin business. Control the protection business for pimps that have a few kids. It's horrible to even think about it. It's getting worse for the kids themselves. More and more kids go missing each year. Then there are kids that are taken off the streets to harvest their organs. The sheer amount of different types of abuse is staggering. I remember when I was abducted it took only a couple of seconds to take me off the streets. I was lucky, I came back bloodied but I came back. Most kids don't.

The police have a lot of technology but from what I've read it's just too many cases for them. Manpower and the lack of courts with enough Laws to take offenders off the streets for a long time. Laws have to be made with stiff punishments in mind. Laws have to have mandatory sentences for the type of child abuse but there should not be first-time offender status. No time off for good behavior. People have to be scared of being caught. They have to do their whole sentence. Maybe all child abuse should be a felony. Child abuse is nothing less than the killing of a child both mentally and physically.

Thanks for the article. I didn't get through it yet but I can imagine what it will say.
 
like @Toad, abuse started as an infant, Trafficking at age 5, in the 70s. Recorded via film. possibly (probably) a 2-at-once event.

I have 2 therapists but not on any psychiatric meds.
 
Hey Toad

Like you and NC being newborns, toddlers or preschoolers was just another flavor CSA for sick sick people.

I'm not sure what's a felony or what's not but the punishment does not match what was done. Here in NY if something is not a felony then a person might only serve a minimum of time in jail. I think that with a felony the bad guys stay for most of their sentence in jail and there are harsher punishments in federal courts. I'm sure that the punishment for an adult male raping a 10-year-old girl is different than an adult woman raping a 10-year-old boy. as a 10-1/2 year-old boy if this woman who raped me should have gotten a different sentence if she held a gun to my head or I felt I had to strip for her because she got me a job cleaning the judo school. This didn't happen once but happened almost every Sunday for 2 years. For me not to give ass could mean that I would lose that job that paid for my judo lessons and I could possibly lose papasan. That would have been my version of death.

I've read many times and my therapist had mentioned it also that back in the '60s boys didn't get raped by women, they wanted it. If a boy got an erection that just shows that he was enjoying it.

Too many sickos flaunt the judicial system.

********* TRIGGERS SICK TRIGGERS ***************
I like frankfurters on a bun with mustard and kraut. Some people don't like Mustard but like ketchup. some don't like kraut. There are sickos that like to rape 6-month-old babies and there are sickos that would like to see toddlers raped or preschoolers raped. Some would want to see babies raped by older men, some by fuck'n 14-year-old kids like me. I had kids under 8 rape me with a broomstick. Then there was me doing it. Everyone loved at least a little blood, some a lot of it. I never had to beat the shit out of a 10-year-old kid. But I was beaten and raped by two 10-year-olds. I have to stop this here. I'm sorry.

What I want to bring out is that there is sick shit for every sicko. It's like Amazon.com, whatever you want you can find on the net. All you need is the money for the fancy shit.

I know at 8 years old thousands of pics taken of me and my friend over the next 10 years by my best friend's sister. There were the professional porn photogs and pictures taken at parties. I would find it hard to remember a john who didn't at least take still photos of me. Most would even take out their 8mm. I'm sure no matter what you were involved in pictures were taken to remember the event. I have to change the subject a little.

I realize now that it was not smart to go cold turkey on meds and or therapy. The meds were very important. I find myself not in control of my thoughts very often. Today, for instance, I just walked out of work around 1:30pm. I guess 5 hours of work was too much. I just couldn't stay, I had to go. Can't sleep at night. I went to bed this morning around 4am and got up at 6. a therapist will say if you need meds or not NC. If you don't need that's great. I found that the meds hid a lot of stuff so that I couldn't just sit and dwell on it. I can remember faces, body parts and the guys who were taking the movies or pictures. I clearly remember weekend trips taken with a john or johns.

Maybe my problem now is that I remember way too much. I can break down crying in an instant. I was much more stable with my meds.

If I may ask? Do either of you remember how you felt about the person who abused you? I know you were pretty young but how do you feel about them now. Would you wish them dead or in jail? How do you feel if there was no punishment dealt out to them or that they are walking free?
 
If I may ask? Do either of you remember how you felt about the person who abused you? I know you were pretty young but how do you feel about them now. Would you wish them dead or in jail? How do you feel if there was no punishment dealt out to them or that they are walking free?
For me, it was my father who abused me early on, and it was also him who took my to the Trafficking events so that he could abuse others in turn for my being "shared".

I also now know he was also victim. Apparently, according to my aunt (his sister), When they were young, their folks (my grandparents) took in a male border. He slept with "the boys" (My father and his younger brother) in their room. This went on for several weeks. My aunt mentioned that the border was then kicked out very abruptly. We both assume (she was also a victim of my father) that this was what started his sexual abuse cycle. Before that, he was physically abused by his own father, but nothing more.

Knowing this helps me to understand that he, too, was/is a victim, though it does not excuse the abuse he gave to others. I hope he is found out (he is near 80, still alive) and gets arrested. He needs to be stopped, as I fear he is still somehow involved in the child exploitation business.
 
Hey NC

I'm glad you can avoid the meds but if your T's suggest their use then do it. My T had suggested I see a shrink and get some meds and I balked because of the stigma. Not only was I a prostitute as a child, teen and young adult I really didn't want anyone to know I was seeing a shrink. It would be only a month after that recommendation that I found myself standing in between cars on a busy avenue looking for a bus to walk into. It never came and within 2 weeks I was sitting in the office of a shrink.

I read your "Me at age 3". It was a very intense and graphic read for me to get through. Aside from almost daily beatings by my mother, the only sexual part was being bare-assed and beaten until I couldn't sit down. I did find that I could disappear from the house at the age of 3 for the next couple of years and find a wonderful neighbor lady and her daughter who was my age. My mother also used her as a baby sitter for me. Kinda funny that I was allowed to "disappear" from the house at that age. My mother said she knew where to find me if I wasn't in the house. Nudity was not a problem for me or the neighbor lady. I went swimming in the blow-up pool with her daughter naked and we were also given baths together. There were no disposable diapers back then so we went without any pants or underwear. If we had to go to the bathroom we had to get to a bathroom or go behind a tree. I couldn't take a dump in a diaper and continue playing. So my introduction to nudity was from an early age and I wasn't ashamed to go around without pants or in the summer without clothes. That was the way things were.

What you described I'm sure is felt by others in this thread. This is sort of a question for not only you but others here on this thread. The difference in our early years is that your abuse was sexual and mine were daily beatings. I assume that because of what happened to us early on would affect our later years. Were you trying to stay away from anything sexual? I was trying to stay away from beatings. I was looking for someone to love me. I and my best friend did get involved starting when we were 8 in having nude pictures of us being taken for the boy magazines that were legal to sell on the street corner newspaper stands in Manhattan, NYC. This went on for the next 10 years. (The magazines went underground in the mid to late '60s.)

At 10 years old I was taken under the wing of a judo instructor who I fell in love with. He was kind and gentle. He bought me candy, took me places and even bought me a 10-speed bike when my old single gear clunker was stolen He never hit me always hugged me. I wanted him to be my father, I wanted to belong with him. It became a thing that after practice which ended late during the week I was allowed to go and sleep over at his apartment. He took me to the family public baths in the city, we took showers together in his apartment and most of all I was able to sleep naked with him. He was warm, something I never experienced and something I wanted badly. I wanted to be kissed and hugged. Of course, that evolved very quickly into various acts which also included penetration. It was a much different kind of pain. It might sound sick but I thought this is the pain of love. I already knew the pain of hate. This was pain that I was willing to go through as long as I could stay with him. A lot of what we did felt good to me. By the time I was 11 I was being taken to stay with "friends" of his while he had to work late. His friends practiced the same type of love that he did. He would pick me up in the early morning and take me back to his apartment so we could take a morning shower together and then eat breakfast before he would take me to school. I didn't know it at the time but I was now a prostitute being sold to "friends" of his.

If I'm crossing any boundaries please tell me. I don't know how your (and others here also) early experiences being sexually assaulted affected your lives later on into your teens and adulthood. You can see where my life was headed.

I just want to mention one more thing about me. At 14 I was forced into a life of doing what your father was doing to you. But the children I was forced to sexually assault were around preschool to around 10 years old. (the children were beaten if I didn't do what I was supposed to do.) I can now realize the ages of those children because I watched my grandchildren grow through those ages. My pain over the years was not being able to play with my children. I was never able to do homework with them or play ball with them, nothing. I watched them grow up and I couldn't touch them, hug them or kiss them. I stuttered when they came near me. I could never say what a "pretty dress you have on" to my daughter or slap one of my sons on their backs for something they did great. The picture of a happy father holding his newborn baby doesn't exist. Now years later I'm seeing the same thing happen with my grandchildren. No, I'm not afraid of abusing anyone. it's just that they are better off without me touching them, I don't want to contaminate them. This is my pain now and forever. I bought an expensive camera so I could take pictures of my grandchildren. I got the chance from my porch looking down into my backyard and all I see is my son playing with "his" four young children. I better stop here, I'm triggering myself.

I'm sorry for what you and all the others here on this thread went through.
 
I'm sorry for what we went threw but I'm thankful for this thread
I don't feel as alone with what's in my head

I haven't ever talked much about my exploitation
In therapy we have begun to go there slowly

I was abused alongside other older boys ,we all grew into men that didn't talk about what happened , we all had chaotic lives and relationships with each other

Our uncle received a life sentence for exploitation and died a few years later

For decades he picked out boys in the family to groom first for his self and then for others
I would of took the place of those older boys had it not been for my other abuser I was alone during that abuse.

I was very young when I would see sexual acts it was all normalised like nudity was , I was only scared of violence and my father , I wasn't scared of my uncle then at all

He didn't usually treat us badly in the sense of physically , we could have what food we wanted and stuff , games , TV and stuff things I didn't get at home in abundance but that's all part of the grooming , We just had to do as we was told , or he would tell my father and he hated me.

I didn't understand
Too young too

horror is what I feel now when I look back
Some of them were teachers , members of the church , even a copper.

I'm done talking for now
But thanks again to all that has shared to not feel alone in it is a blessing

Peace
HL
 
Were you trying to stay away from anything sexual?
I didn't notice until middle school. I would "go steady" with different girls, but would not be comfortable going beyond hugs and hand holding. I always assumed back then that it was just an over developed sense of morality. In high school, I could get to kissing my girlfriend (I again had several) but if they wanted more (past "first base") all the internal alarms would go off and I would suddenly feel very uncomfortable. I could not even masturbate "to completion" until my mid 20s!
 
Hey NC

Basically it fucked up your childhood and teenage years. that's sad and should never have happened. Did your father take you places when you were older say 10 years old or was it just as a baby swap?

Once I got out of the game when I was 24 I never saw anyone from those days. As far as I was concerned I walked into another life suppressing my younger years. But I've been paying for that life since January 4, 2011. I understand and know that the shit I did will kill me one day. Once I was pushed into getting married like just took off. My wife never knew anything about my past. I never even told her about my military service. I started to open up to her in October of 2011 but I had to. I was drinking heavily and I was just plain losing it. My children are very lucky to have her as a mother and grandmother. She is the one that brought up the kids. All I really did was go to work and help support her.

I hope your doing OK now. You are an amazing person
 
Hey HL

Being threatened is the worst. Having to wonder what would happen if you didn't do as you were told. No way out of that. But I'm glad your uncle went to jail. May I ask till what age your abuse continued and how you got out of it? I know fear is a big incentive to listen to what you are told to do. Again, if I'm crossing boundaries just tell me to back off. I'm just now trying to get a handle on how much was I a willing participant in what I did. I wasn't willing in the bad shit like the movies but I feel I gave my ass willingly and that was the life me and my friends lived. I helped my friend Bobby who never went to school after he and his older brother ran away from home. He was 9. Yes we were boyfriends and I would help him read looking at the pictures in National Geographics and Look magazine.

I don't think that if given the chance that papasan was still alive to prosecute him. I couldn't do that. I would be scared to bring charges to anyone else since they all belonged to organized crime. Most of those guys were "wacked" during the '70s and '80s from what I read on the net. papasan was not bad to me. Yes, I knew he took me and Bobby to those sick penthouse parties but I needed his love. I was OK being a prostitute because I had him. Not all my dates turned out nice but most were just sick guys willing to pay a steep price for my ass. I used to get tips of $10-$20 and in the '60s that was big money. I always had a couple of hundred dollars of tips when I needed it. I never realized that papasan got me into the movies. I thought that was my idea. I never knew that the gym teacher was had a subscription to my ass. I never knew that the "friends" he took me to when I was 10 was part of my grooming to become a prostitute. I never worked the streets but was always taken to my dates. I never really turned tricks. Tricks were a half-hour deal for kids on the street. give the guy your ass, get banged and wait for the next. Bobby and I were too naive to do that kind of work. We would have certainly disappeared is we were on the street for one night. I was not street smart in any way. I was taken to my johns and I could go to a john for a minimum of a night or go away for a weekend or on a plane trip somewhere.

Thank you for taking the time to write, it helps me and I'm sure it helps a lot of people who read this thread.
 
Hey Mach123

Are you saying someone here is complaining? I hope I didn't say anything that triggered you. When I was 10 I thought that sucking someone willie made them happy with me and that a willie up my ass was love. I would always give ass to papasan and work on his willie. He did the same to me and it felt good. I loved him and I wanted him to be happy with me and I wanted him to love me. I realize now that was not sex. I did feel it was love, the only love I ever got. Sex is what grownups do. We didn't do sex as kids but we were made to make people happy.


I don't think you could have said this any better. Being a very late bloomer I was always called a little girl, a cunt and my little bitch. Among other ways to call me a little girl. That went on right up until I went into the USAF at 18. I just mentioned it here on one of these threads that I was taken to a john, I must have been around 11-12, and when the john opened the door and took a look at a long blond-haired kid he made me open my pants to make sure I wasn't a girl before I could come in. But the rest of the night I was referred to as his little girl. johns would tell me that I would make a beautiful little girl.

I knew I was gay at a young age mainly because my best friend Lanny was gay and his sister told us we were meant to be with one another. That didn't help when I was taken to johns parties or weekend dates with some john.

Peace bro
You said if I find any opposition here I'll find another outlet. I suppose you meant because your are talking about the traffic in children and child porn.
 
Did your father take you places when you were older say 10 years old or was it just as a baby swap?
from what I have uncovered, direct abuse was from infancy until age 4-5, then I was used as a bargaining chip to participate in the Trafficking events from age 5-8. Apparently I "aged out" at 8 and he left my mom soon after.
 
Hey Mack

First I have to say that if I said something wrong I apologize. I would never belittle anyone's past. abuse is a killer and I'm sure that it will kill me also sooner or later.

What I think that I meant was therapists were saying you were complaining about your CSA and told you to get over it. That was harsh and just shows their stupidity in regard to CSA. I would hate to think about how those so-called therapists would treat battle-related PTSD cases? "get over it". sick. I think that you are a very strong person. I never realized that skin game I was brought into was about abuse. I got into bad situations but I didn't think it was because of papasan.

I looked like a little kid. I wasn't though, I was something else.
This is just sad but I understand what you mean. When I was in my teens I felt like a magnet and I was scared to death when I had to go to the USAF. I was lucky that at 24 I just got up and left the world I lived in for a totally different one where nobody knew me or anything about me. Nobody knew me I hid there for almost 40 years. Now I'm finally facing my past and there is a lot I don't like what I was involved in (rather forced into). I know I'm in denial about papasan. but he was the only person that ever loved me back then and I was willing to drop my pants to keep him.

Have you ever found normal therapists? Please stay active here and other threads, you can help a lot of people just by relating your story. This thread has been an eye-opener for me. I can see how I was damaged and how I was forced to damage others.
 
Yes I have a CSA therapist. She was part of MS. She is still affiliated with them somehow IDK. She runs WOR for women but it's through a different organisation or an umbrella IDK.

It's a very helpful thread I'm just trying to deal with how I feel about all of it. I guess it finally puts the hypersexuality into perspective. It's like if you lived through all that, you'd get it. It's not how I am, it's what I am.

I appreciate the discussion. Yes it's eye opening.
 
If I had a kid I would be proud for you to hold them.
For them to be held by a man who had been through so much and has survived. Who still found a way to support his family and has shared what he has gone through to help others. You wouldn't contaminate them. But perhaps you might inspire them.
I would agree with that!
 
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