Inner Man, Inner Woman, Inner Child

Inner Man, Inner Woman, Inner Child

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After years of struggling as an otherwise straight man with so called "same sex attraction", I have discarded the label, and come to a mindful and honoring acceptance about what is REALLY going on with my irrepressible and seemlingly unmanageable desire for male intimacy.

My relational mandates involving men and women are in categorical opposition. This is because they originate from two (but three) separate inner identities with unique, natural non-negotiable developmental objectives. Both my inner woman and inner child organicly pursue self-satisfaction and completion through emotional and physical engagement with a necessary external adult male. The perceived operational interests of the inner child are fiercely passionate. While typically pre-sexual this is NOT the case for me a survivor of premature sexualization. The corresponding interests of the inner woman, also requiring male engagement, are patently romantic and sexual. Both of these inner identities constitute a grave threat to the heteronormative asperations of my inner male: marriage and family.

In response, my inner man retaliates. He MUST alienate and extinguish his inner woman and child, using shame, suppression, mockery, denial, and ultimately murderous hatred, often veiled in the guise of "responsible and moral" religiosity. Both sides represent a public and private catastropic neutralization of the other's basic heartfelt, do-or-die objectives.

My conclusion is this: in appreciation of their destructive potential, my inner child and woman must be honored and allowed to pursue and attain their natural developmental agendas, with respect, and a degree of operational freedom. In the interest of honoring them for who and what they are, I want to make perfectly clear to them, to myself and to you the reader, neither of my two inner selves who lust after men, are "gay". Nor is my inner male, who seeks a woman for his completion.

The incidental but undeniably overwhelming attraction to men that my inner woman and inner child experience, is misnamed. It is not, and has never been, the MAN in me that is attracted to other males, but the woman and child in me. That is why I reject the condition many would call "same gender attraction". It doesn't describe what is really going on. Moreover, the label "same sex" obscures and perverts what is actually a part of natural heterosexuality for all 3 selves in all directions. We would never call a boy who seeks meaningful intimacy with an adult male, gay. His passionate, highly attuned interest in secure, mature masculinity, is anyting but.

My inner woman is straight, naturally, and wants all the stuff that normal heterosexual women want. As the good woman she is, she craves a man who is god fearing, capable of marriage and children (and at best, already has both), is straight, masculine, capable == virile but not promiscuous-- a man who has no abiding sexual interest in other men. If he is healthy, growing; thinks, sounds, and moves like a straight man, his structural beauty is not important.

Mr X., the necessary man my inner selves seek, the target of my incidental erotic and romantic interest, while naturally attracted to women, will never be attracted to my inner woman because she... lives in me.... a man... who is already an embodiment of everything Mr. X already is and has no need to pursue.

Put another way, occassionally and sometimes frequently, my inner woman experiences intense attractions to emotionally mature, virile straight men, specifically Christian fathers, men with zero interest in my outer self, which is likewise decidedly male, masculine, straight, and inclined to fidelity and honor in my own heterosexual marriage.

A bit I've discovered about my inner boy, for you, the male survivor: this kid, age 6, the age he learned to orgasm, still wants to 'play' with his mom's boyfried. The one who put it in my face, knowing it was making me intensely conflicted. He has been fantasizing about cementing a sexual experience with a grown man since he can remember, just enough to feel like he stands a chance to become one of them.

He and my inner woman are the two inner personalities that drive my "same sex attraction", albeit with different fetishistic formations.

--- another quick and probably repetative and political word on "gayness".

Neither my inner pre-gendered boy on one hand, nor my inner woman on the other, are 'gay'. For them, the attraction is and feels organic and appropriate, albeit, in the outer world basically unattainable.

None of my inner people-- man, woman, or child-- have any operational interest in gay or effeminate men. Rather, they are entirely neutral. Any repulsion is entirely due to having to deal with a monolithic and intolerant gay culture where we stupidly sought our desired "Mr. X", who categorically doesn't live there. How dare we don't celebrate gay people. We are cowards... a self-hating closet case. If only they knew what was really going on in, I suspect, many hearts out there.

My inner selves are heterosexual. My inner woman is heterosexual and my inner boy is heterosexual.

I'm sorry to all the men here who feel like they have to make a false choice. I don't like being told "either you are gay or you are not", as I see many times on this forum, as if gayness is a universally homogenous experience. It isn't.

Anyway... most importantly, it has helped me a lot to do shadow work, engaging my inner shadows and getting to know my inner boy and woman as people. Their needs are unique. They aren't bad people but they Will cut you if you stand in their way. Be willing to negotiate.

Meeting them, I have found my lost spontaneity, joi de vivre, sense of humor and many of the qualities that my family members now cherish. Not to mention qualities that have rescued me again and again. They are worth getting to know, not only to avoid the impending doom they like to threaten when ignored.

Cheers.

Let me know how it goes.
 
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A bit I've discovered about my inner boy, for you, the male survivor: this kid, age 6, the age he learned to orgasm, still wants to 'play' with his mom's boyfried. The one who put it in my face, knowing it was making me intensely conflicted. He has been fantasizing about cementing a sexual experience with a grown man since he can remember, just enough to feel like he stands a chance to become one of them.
Bravo! It’s taken a lot of hard work to discover these inner selves. Thank you for taking the time to put in your words the discovery. Peace
 
This is some deep introspection. A bit inspiring as I'm noticing all of the different parts in myself. I suffer if I ignore parts of myself too. I don't like labels as everything in this world is a spectrum and to each is there own. Thank you for sharing. Take care and wish you peace.
 
I grew up as a 3rd gen atheist (having a BA in World Religion has taught me that atheism, secularism, liberalism, far from being non-religious, have all the hallmarks of a religion, except the center of worship is personal feelings and benefits.) My family, white upper class, was ultimately permissive: masturbation is good... do what feels right...alternative sexual orientation is a feature, not a bug.

I mention this because: I have never had internalized religious homophobia... no one in my family even batted an eye when I came out at 14. .. I just know that my inner man isn't about all that. But my inner female and child were desperately needing to be seen and known and appreciated and vigilant sexual demands were the way for them to get noticed, by other men, and most importantly, and eventually, by ME. Now that I dig them... i really like them... their interest in erotic things has soured. a living soul is so much more than what can be measured and transacted through non commital sexual attention.

My experience of 3 discrete inner selves represents a clarifying diagnostic lense in the evaluation of so called "sexual orientation". ... sadly one that LGBTQ is not going to take any interest in as it doesn't fit their agenda of 'catering to the marginalized'. I think the little black dot in the Yang and the little white dot in the Yin, is there by design. I'm OK if mine colored a bit outside the lines for a while. I don't think its radically unnatural. It was all just love in the end.
 
My experience of 3 discrete inner selves represents a clarifying diagnostic lense in the evaluation of so called "sexual orientation". ... sadly one that LGBTQ is not going to take any interest in as it doesn't fit their agenda of 'catering to the marginalized'.
Well given that the generally accepted idea is that A) Sexuality is a spectrum and not always a continuous one, B) Labels are rough descriptors that no one fits into perfectly, and you can choose whether or not to use them if you like, and C) That all human experiences, particularly those with strong emotions and deep innate feelings involved, are very unique and all valid, I suspect that most would not necessarily have problems with your own experience of it.

Our own experience of sexuality as a Dissoactive System (as in DID formerly MPD), is inherently tied to our multiplicity. There are different sexualities among the system, most of them are homosexual/gay in a masc loving masc way, some of our women are lesbians, some of them are straight, and there are far more combinations across the rest of us. We have 65 discrete selves in a sense, though fair number of those are children. And of those children some do not very actively experience sexual attraction as they don't specifically hold the kinds of trauma some of the others do, and thus don't present as prematurely sexualized. And I don't see it as unnatural either, in fact I think it is the most natural thing for us to experience given the traumas that have resulted in all of our existences.

This is a very interesting thread for us to see a similar discussion of sexuality to ours, be talked about here.
 
Well given that the generally accepted idea is that A) Sexuality is a spectrum and not always a continuous one, B) Labels are rough descriptors that no one fits into perfectly, and you can choose whether or not to use them if you like, and C) That all human experiences, particularly those with strong emotions and deep innate feelings involved, are very unique and all valid, I suspect that most would not necessarily have problems with your own experience of it.

Our own experience of sexuality as a Dissoactive System (as in DID formerly MPD), is inherently tied to our multiplicity. There are different sexualities among the system, most of them are homosexual/gay in a masc loving masc way, some of our women are lesbians, some of them are straight, and there are far more combinations across the rest of us. We have 65 discrete selves in a sense, though fair number of those are children. And of those children some do not very actively experience sexual attraction as they don't specifically hold the kinds of trauma some of the others do, and thus don't present as prematurely sexualized. And I don't see it as unnatural either, in fact I think it is the most natural thing for us to experience given the traumas that have resulted in all of our existences.

This is a very interesting thread for us to see a similar discussion of sexuality to ours, be talked about here.
When I sought help from the LGBT headquarters in the West village of NYC, asking for support with maintaining a straight marriage, I was turned away .." we don't support closet living". It's a political front group as far as I can tell with no rudimentary curiosity about lived experiences or alternative perspectives beyond identity politics. In my experience.
 
When I sought help from the LGBT headquarters in the West village of NYC, asking for support with maintaining a straight marriage, I was turned away .." we don't support closet living". It's a political front group as far as I can tell with no rudimentary curiosity about lived experiences or alternative perspectives beyond identity politics. In my experience.
Political groups are often more interested in the macro picture, and particularly certain minority activist groups can, intentionally or not (in this case seeming a little more so), be dismissive of the aore nuanced experiences of people, for the purposes of supposedly showing a more unified front from which to push for social change. My response was more referring to how I think the lgbtq community at large, would or at least should generally understand and accept that there are many many different unique experiences of gender and sexuality. And while multiplicity, self states, and parts work are not as widely understood as I wish they were, with a bit of explanation I truly do believe many can learn, and will/would accept such experiences as valid. And my experiences have included both queer people who do, and do not understand that. So your mileage may vary, but I do think that the majority of queer people that are confident secure and informed about their identity and others, are capable of understanding and supporting it.
 
Thank you for sharing this! I too had an inner woman before integration so I can relate to that mixing up of desires coming from different inner parts, causing confusion and seeking of impossible relationships.
 
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