Darkness And Hope (Explicit)

Darkness And Hope (Explicit)

Induna

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I have been doing a lot of "inner work" lately and actively trying to change some of the mechanisms I have depended on for decades to keep me as I was -- "safe" and miserable.

There were three moments in my young life when I made choices that I didn't fully understand (do we ever "fully understand" our choices?) that made a home for darkness and despair within me which I sadly nurtured and cared for during decades. I want to share those with you. I just want to say first that I am not blaming myself for what I did. I was in a very difficult situation in which good choices did not even occur to me. I don't even know if I was capable then of acting differently. But I did act and I did choose and I kept doubling-down on those bad decisions throughout my life -- building a Mansion for darkness and despair.

The first moment happened when I was 10 not long after I was raped, although I never thought about that specifically, as far as I can remember. I did my best to erase it. It is possible I told my mother, but If I did it didn't go well. She was, sadly, a very cruel coward. I spent I don't how many nights in my bed praying to God to be taken away -- to simply disappear from the world. Of course that did not happen. It doesn't work that way. Then I begged the aliens to come for me (I liked scifi books) and take me on their ship to leave the Earth and all humans forever. I was not afraid of being alone. I wanted to be where no one could ever really know the flesh and blood me. They would only know my mind. I literally begged both God and the aliens to save me with everything I had, with every ounce of force and strength I had, and I did it over many many nights. I'm not sure how many. When neither God nor the aliens answered and I was left alone, I decided that I would never need anyone ever again -- that that was the only way to keep from being like them -- my family, my monster. I decided that I had one strength they could never overcome -- that I was willing to die and that they were afraid of death. I chose hopelessness and death then. I thought it made me strong and invulnerable. It didn't, but I was desperate. Looking back I really believe that from that day on my life was darkened -- worse than being raped, worse than the constant betrayal of my family. I did it to myself.

The next moment came a few years later. I had just turned 16 and I was celebrating my friend's birthday at his house. My friend's father had become like a second, real father for me. My real father was a narcissistic bully. I ate dinner over at his house all the time and talked with his parents about everything. His dad had hit on me once. I told him No. I thought that was that. The night of the party I felt sick from beer and weed (looking back this was strange) and went up stairs to crash in the spare room -- maybe I was led there? -- I woke up later, still feeling way too high with my dick in his father's mouth. I told him to leave. He did. I'm sure he came back later and had his way with me. I remember waking up just after dawn in that room and looking out into a cold, gray winter morning and feeling as if that darkness was now everywhere. It felt "right" as if that was what life was supposed to be. I left that house while everyone was asleep. I never went back. I never told, not even friend, why. I kept it in me and nurtured it. I accepted it. I gave up. It was confirmation of what I had chosen when I was 10.

The third moment came when I was 18. I wrote about it in the Stories forum under the title Dear Bill. I was in San Francisco with my friend and lover Bill. I was very fucked up inside. For the last couple of months I would resist having sex with him, only oral, until I couldn't take it anymore and then would attack him with lust. After I came, I would just shut down and act like it hadn't happened. It was very intense and very fucked up. In San Francisco I was obsessed with the desire to have him fuck me. No one other than my rapists ever had, but I wasn't thinking about that. I went back and forth in my head until I couldn't take it. I told him I wanted him to fuck me. He was more than happy to do it. I really enjoyed it. The next morning we did it again and I enjoyed it even more although I was sore, maybe because I was sore. When he came in me I felt profoundly happy -- fulfilled. Then I panicked. I spent hours in silence looking down over the city. I let the darkness speak to me. I believed I was a monster, that I had seduced and raped and Bill (ridiculous!), that I was just like the men who raped me. I let these thoughts take me over. It never even occurred to me to tell him what I was feeling, what I'd been through. My world became darker and darker and darker. Finally I told Bill we had to go back to college in LA. I never touched him again. I never told him why. I had let hopelessness take me over.

That decision dominated my life for decades. It sealed what began when I was 10 and I lived with that shadow until I was 59 years old. I almost always chose despair after that -- hiding, loneliness, feeling afraid and despoiled, never feeling at ease. I married a woman who also didn't want to feel, who on a basic level was filled with resentment and fear. When our business failed she brought another kind of darkness into our lives that I did not resist. I capitulated. I became smaller and smaller and smaller. There was no fight in me. My greatest strength was that I could endure more pain than anyone else, even unto death.

These are not things that happened to me. These are things I did to myself and to those who loved me, or tried to love me. Yes, I was raped twice and betrayed countless times. My family was a hellscape and my brothers and older sister hijueputas. But I turned my back on hope, on God, on Love, on the beauty of this world over and over again. I welcomed darkness. It was comfortable. I cared for it and helped it grow in me in so many ways. I chose it and now I have chosen differently.

Never again will I choose that. Yes, I have habits of thought and action that were born out of nurturing despair and hiding. They did not disappear overnight, but they have been getting thinner and thinner everyday -- more light shines through. When I freak out the old habits try to assert themselves, but their power is now gone. I no longer believe it.

I believe in transformation. It is real. I believe in God in my own strange way. I believe in darkness too. It is there waiting to prey on us just like our abusers did. It will not win. Many of you have helped teach me this, especially H. I am very grateful.
 
wow. Can relate. As bad as the things done to us were, our choice to embrace darkness over light, despair over hope, satan over God, is much much much much much worse than anything done to us. It reveals darkness in our souls. It reveals a corrupted nature. It reveals that we are sons of Adam. This is the historic doctrine of original sin, first fully articulated by St Augustine in the 300s. (Incidentally, I'm told Augustine's "confessions" reveal a tortured soul, tormented by some of the most profound and deep knowledge of God in church history)

In the bible, God is much more concerned with dealing with our sin than with dealing with our suffering. He will let us suffer if it helps cleanse us of sin. This cant happen outside of Christ. He let His Son suffer to the point of death to deal with our sin, and Christians follow in his footsteps, living cruciform lives, united to Him, to be conformed to His image. Most churches dont preach this but its true. its biblical. It's a hard sell - it doesn't bring in the crowds, so they water it down. It was a hard sell to the disciples, but they saw that only Christ had the words of eternal life, so they followed Him. Then 11 of the 12 were murdered for their faith.

I particularly related to the thing you said about it "never even occurring to you" to tell the truth to your lover. I was the same. I trusted no-one. Trusting anyone never entered my mind. It was me against the world. And what i thought was trust, what seemed like trust to me, was actually just slightly milder suspicion. When you have a family like mine (and it sounds like yours) trust is a total liability and the very thing which brings pain on you. So you grow up into a relationally munted individual. And then Jesus comes along and says "believe in me," or, in greek, "πιστεω εν με‘‘ - TRUST in me! Thats a TALL ORDER for me. And yet that's the ONLY THING he will accept - trust! GAH. Give me some broken glass to crawl over instead - you know - something achievable! No, he says, trust me. Follow me. Believe that im sovereign and good and I and gave you your childhood and abuse and rape and all that - it was all for my glory and for your good - your eternal good - to make you like me. Oh man. Christianity is THE MOST EXTREME religion that exists. God demands ALL OF YOU - and it is preached like its a non-religion that only requires believing the right thing about God and you are all sweet, and oh blessed on top of that, and God has a wonderful plan for your life and all that. Meanwhile, the blood of the martyrs has been piling up for 2 millennia. The bodies are STACKED.

So, im right there with you. As is evident from my post, i believe in God, "in my own way" - the Bible's way, and in-line with historic orthodoxy - the catholic creeds, the 7 ecumenical councils, the canons of dort, the reformation confessions. You know - like Augustine and Aquinas and Wycliffe and Huss and Luther and Calvin and Cranmer - the normal way.

So good on you for choosing life, and hope. It is the only way out of the darkness. Moses commanded it in Deuteronomy 30: "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live."

I also thought of another connection. From Genesis 4: "Sin is crouching at the door. its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it." It seems to me that you have had a heck of a journey, and you are choosing to fight and rule over your sin. Soli deo Gloria!
 
I decided that I would never need anyone ever again -- that that was the only way to keep from being like them -- my family, my monster.
This really strikes a chord with me. When I was about nine I made a pledge that I would never love anyone and would never need anyone's love. Sadly I lived almost all of my life adhering to that pledge.
 
This really strikes a chord with me. When I was about nine I made a pledge that I would never love anyone and would never need anyone's love. Sadly I lived almost all of my life adhering to that pledge.
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wow. Can relate. As bad as the things done to us were, our choice to embrace darkness over light, despair over hope, satan over God, is much much much much much worse than anything done to us. It reveals darkness in our souls. It reveals a corrupted nature. It reveals that we are sons of Adam. This is the historic doctrine of original sin, first fully articulated by St Augustine in the 300s. (Incidentally, I'm told Augustine's "confessions" reveal a tortured soul, tormented by some of the most profound and deep knowledge of God in church history)

In the bible, God is much more concerned with dealing with our sin than with dealing with our suffering. He will let us suffer if it helps cleanse us of sin. This cant happen outside of Christ. He let His Son suffer to the point of death to deal with our sin, and Christians follow in his footsteps, living cruciform lives, united to Him, to be conformed to His image. Most churches dont preach this but its true. its biblical. It's a hard sell - it doesn't bring in the crowds, so they water it down. It was a hard sell to the disciples, but they saw that only Christ had the words of eternal life, so they followed Him. Then 11 of the 12 were murdered for their faith.

I particularly related to the thing you said about it "never even occurring to you" to tell the truth to your lover. I was the same. I trusted no-one. Trusting anyone never entered my mind. It was me against the world. And what i thought was trust, what seemed like trust to me, was actually just slightly milder suspicion. When you have a family like mine (and it sounds like yours) trust is a total liability and the very thing which brings pain on you. So you grow up into a relationally munted individual. And then Jesus comes along and says "believe in me," or, in greek, "πιστεω εν με‘‘ - TRUST in me! Thats a TALL ORDER for me. And yet that's the ONLY THING he will accept - trust! GAH. Give me some broken glass to crawl over instead - you know - something achievable! No, he says, trust me. Follow me. Believe that im sovereign and good and I and gave you your childhood and abuse and rape and all that - it was all for my glory and for your good - your eternal good - to make you like me. Oh man. Christianity is THE MOST EXTREME religion that exists. God demands ALL OF YOU - and it is preached like its a non-religion that only requires believing the right thing about God and you are all sweet, and oh blessed on top of that, and God has a wonderful plan for your life and all that. Meanwhile, the blood of the martyrs has been piling up for 2 millennia. The bodies are STACKED.

So, im right there with you. As is evident from my post, i believe in God, "in my own way" - the Bible's way, and in-line with historic orthodoxy - the catholic creeds, the 7 ecumenical councils, the canons of dort, the reformation confessions. You know - like Augustine and Aquinas and Wycliffe and Huss and Luther and Calvin and Cranmer - the normal way.

So good on you for choosing life, and hope. It is the only way out of the darkness. Moses commanded it in Deuteronomy 30: "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live."

I also thought of another connection. From Genesis 4: "Sin is crouching at the door. its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it." It seems to me that you have had a heck of a journey, and you are choosing to fight and rule over your sin. Soli deo Gloria!
I really appreciate your reply. I am definitely not orthodox. In fact I am certainly heretic . However, any approach to understanding one's place in the world and the nature of the world must be based in a commitment to seeking truth, honesty and humility, at least that's how it seems to me. We cannot pretend to believe something we don't or claim to know something we cannot know.

I am still learning.
 
I have pledged the same over and over, that I need nobody, care about nothing, just kill me and be done. But I only adhered to it in the moments. Then I couldn't because I did care. A lot. And I loved. And I tried and reached out. But every time something goes wrong, normal life stuff, I make the same pledge again and blame myself for breaking it.

Thank you for reminding me where that ideal comes from and where it leads. Shutting down is not strength.
 
I have pledged the same over and over, that I need nobody, care about nothing, just kill me and be done. But I only adhered to it in the moments. Then I couldn't because I did care. A lot. And I loved. And I tried and reached out. But every time something goes wrong, normal life stuff, I make the same pledge again and blame myself for breaking it.

Thank you for reminding me where that ideal comes from and where it leads. Shutting down is not strength.
 
I have pledged the same over and over, that I need nobody, care about nothing, just kill me and be done. But I only adhered to it in the moments. Then I couldn't because I did care. A lot. And I loved. And I tried and reached out. But every time something goes wrong, normal life stuff, I make the same pledge again and blame myself for breaking it.

Thank you for reminding me where that ideal comes from and where it leads. Shutting down is not strength.
 
wow. Can relate. As bad as the things done to us were, our choice to embrace darkness over light, despair over hope, satan over God, is much much much much much worse than anything done to us. It reveals darkness in our souls. It reveals a corrupted nature. It reveals that we are sons of Adam. This is the historic doctrine of original sin, first fully articulated by St Augustine in the 300s. (Incidentally, I'm told Augustine's "confessions" reveal a tortured soul, tormented by some of the most profound and deep knowledge of God in church history)

In the bible, God is much more concerned with dealing with our sin than with dealing with our suffering. He will let us suffer if it helps cleanse us of sin. This cant happen outside of Christ. He let His Son suffer to the point of death to deal with our sin, and Christians follow in his footsteps, living cruciform lives, united to Him, to be conformed to His image. Most churches dont preach this but its true. its biblical. It's a hard sell - it doesn't bring in the crowds, so they water it down. It was a hard sell to the disciples, but they saw that only Christ had the words of eternal life, so they followed Him. Then 11 of the 12 were murdered for their faith.

I particularly related to the thing you said about it "never even occurring to you" to tell the truth to your lover. I was the same. I trusted no-one. Trusting anyone never entered my mind. It was me against the world. And what i thought was trust, what seemed like trust to me, was actually just slightly milder suspicion. When you have a family like mine (and it sounds like yours) trust is a total liability and the very thing which brings pain on you. So you grow up into a relationally munted individual. And then Jesus comes along and says "believe in me," or, in greek, "πιστεω εν με‘‘ - TRUST in me! Thats a TALL ORDER for me. And yet that's the ONLY THING he will accept - trust! GAH. Give me some broken glass to crawl over instead - you know - something achievable! No, he says, trust me. Follow me. Believe that im sovereign and good and I and gave you your childhood and abuse and rape and all that - it was all for my glory and for your good - your eternal good - to make you like me. Oh man. Christianity is THE MOST EXTREME religion that exists. God demands ALL OF YOU - and it is preached like its a non-religion that only requires believing the right thing about God and you are all sweet, and oh blessed on top of that, and God has a wonderful plan for your life and all that. Meanwhile, the blood of the martyrs has been piling up for 2 millennia. The bodies are STACKED.

So, im right there with you. As is evident from my post, i believe in God, "in my own way" - the Bible's way, and in-line with historic orthodoxy - the catholic creeds, the 7 ecumenical councils, the canons of dort, the reformation confessions. You know - like Augustine and Aquinas and Wycliffe and Huss and Luther and Calvin and Cranmer - the normal way.

So good on you for choosing life, and hope. It is the only way out of the darkness. Moses commanded it in Deuteronomy 30: "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live."

I also thought of another connection. From Genesis 4: "Sin is crouching at the door. its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it." It seems to me that you have had a heck of a journey, and you are choosing to fight and rule over your sin. Soli deo Gloria!
God created humanity with free will and as such humans can and do choose to do evil. God does not will the evil, He allows it due to the exercise of free will. He did not desire or will that any of us be sexually abused, others made that choice. It was not for His glory nor for our good. It was evil and that does not come from God.
 
I get it we all have our beliefs…. I swore off commenting on/in the spirituality and survivors thread but this isn’t in there. I don’t believe that there is a god and religion is the single greatest threat and cause for sexual abuse and the shame and guilt that afflicts so many here. Knowledge is a powerful thing! Peace and groovy mojo’s. Billy
 
God created humanity with free will and as such humans can and do choose to do evil. God does not will the evil, He allows it due to the exercise of free will. He did not desire or will that any of us be sexually abused, others made that choice. It was not for His glory nor for our good. It was evil and that does not come from God.
Hey Gad. This is a hard doctrine, which certainly goes against our instincts. (It sure goes against mine!) The Westminster confession of faith is really clear on this. Chapter 3. Section 1. It provides multiple proof texts. The Westminster divines are clear that God is not the author of sin, but also that he freely ordains all that comes to pass. It breaks my brain
 
I really appreciate your reply. I am definitely not orthodox. In fact I am certainly heretic . However, any approach to understanding one's place in the world and the nature of the world must be based in a commitment to seeking truth, honesty and humility, at least that's how it seems to me. We cannot pretend to believe something we don't or claim to know something we cannot know.

I am still learning.
Thanks for your response. Good on you for seeking truth. I'd encourage you to seek not just truth, but the One who is Truth Himself. Ditch the heresy, and go with Him:)

Oh and perhaps look up "prevenient grace." See how it fits in your brain in regards to your choices to leave the mansion of darkness and despair.
 
Hey Gad. This is a hard doctrine, which certainly goes against our instincts. (It sure goes against mine!) The Westminster confession of faith is really clear on this. Chapter 3. Section 1. It provides multiple proof texts. The Westminster divines are clear that God is not the author of sin, but also that he freely ordains all that comes to pass. It breaks my brain
This is not the place for theological discussions, but I will state that my faith community does not use the Westminster confession. As such I stand by my previous statement- which is in accordance to my faith tradition.
 
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