Will MichaelB Please Drop In !!!!!

Will MichaelB Please Drop In !!!!!

mattandrew

Registrant
Hey Michael,

There are many of us wolves concerned for you,what is going on,are you ok?

Please drop in and let us know what is going on and how we can support you brother,we care and want to know that you are doing ok,if you need to talk please feel free to PM anyone.

Take Care,
Matt
 
i fear the worse. God! i hope it's baseless, but i am very concerned. we have talked over PM daily for months, and now two days with nothing from my friend. the last message i had didnt sound that bad. what happened? i know he was upset at his family, but he has always been like that.
 
i fear the worse. his last message to me wasn't a good one. let's hope for the best.
 
We need a better connection system. Maybe have an assigned 'mentor/monitor' with contact information. I don't know how it could be done. But we need to more capably look out for each other.

This anxiety over one another is not helpful.
 
We need a better connection system. Maybe have an assigned 'mentor/monitor' with contact information. I don't know how it could be done. But we need to more capably look out for each other.
Marc, the problem is the relative degree of anonymity that most who come here like to maintain
& have maintained. Which I & many others in fact encourage, due to the limited nature of online contact & feedback, and the ever-present possibility of perps.

Some individuals do of course share personal contact info with each other. I don't especially encourage so doing until you've really had a
chance to get to know a person--especially not in public ie on the public forums.

Members who choose to do so can have as much basic
personal contact info as they wish put into a members directory which goes out only to members.

In nine months I've given all of my basic personal
contact info to only a few people, all members, & all moderators or administrators except one, whom I took a great deal of time to know via PM. Did none of this until after I became a member.

Of course we're all different.

Not saying your idea of a mentor/monitor with contact info for those who want to give it is without merit or couldn't or shouldn't be done.

Just affirming what you say: "I don't know how it could be done." Not easily & must be done carefully, for sure.

But definitely I'm concerned for Michaelb.

Michaelb, if you read this whatever's up, please feel free to PM me or anyone else you can really trust here.

Thanks Marc, Wanderer, Jeff, Matt & all for your concern.

Victor
 
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN, but i certainly do not deserve it...i'm sorry if i worried anybody.....i have just been driving all around my area, driving to where i lived when i was little, going to the cemetary where my dad, grandmother and brother are buried....guess that is where i'll be soon enough.....have not slept in three days.....i just drive until i become too weary....then i stop and cry.....then i drive some more.....just cannot survive the night terrors right now....

have come to find out that my desire for death is so much more powerful than i thought....i knew part of me craves death, but thought i had more control over my actions and desires....but i'm becoming all too aware of just how deeply seeded my self destruction runs.....have realized how i have been very actively sabotaging myself in many ways and i have been oblivious to my behavior....understood the behavior was not good for me but never understood until now that I AM ACTIVELY PURPOSEFULLY FORCING MYSELF TO THE EDGE OF THE CLIFT....i know if i loose my house, i will kill myself....no questions, no discussions>>>>>that is just a fact.....but i did not understand how much i have been actively sabatoging the possibilities of me saving my house....

i knew i had an internal struggle of wanting to die/live going on inside of myself....but before now, always thought that i had a sense of control over my decision.....but now realize that a huge part of me is almost forcing me to take my life....i have self inflicted my self destructive behaviors on myself for so long and the ultimate damage is so much more extreme than i could have ever imagined.....

i really appreciate you guys caring.....but your concern is undeserved......i am really very sorry if i alarmed anybody.....this internal battle going on inside me has to end at some point.....At some point, i know i will have to make things stop permanently......

i'm very sorry, thank you for caring......just wish i felt worthy of your concern......michael
 
Michael,

Take it from me... It doesn't matter if you think that you are not worthy of concern We think you are and that is all that matters for now. Lean on us buddy. Let us get you through the rough parts. Shit that's WHY this site is here.

I've been where you are too... aimlessly driving around. Analogous to doing the same thing in life.

Please reach out. Hell it's worth
 
Michael
we care.

Dave
 
I'm just not able to ask anybody for help.....guess it comes from when i was very little and sought help but nobody came, nobody cared....guess it is part of my personality disorder, part of the abuse??????
 
MichaelB,

Hey, it's your brother Matt,I am very concerned for your well being brother.Please do not take the drastic step of trying to take your life it is not worth it at all.You are worthy of the concern that is being shown here by myself and the others.We as survivors on this board have lost enough brothers here that we don't want to see another brother go down in the history books if you understand what i mean.Michael please talk to someone if not myself please contact another survivor for help.I will try to be on this weekend and checking my email but, i may be offline as well trying to take care of my nephew and spending time with him.I will also be recovering from a spinal tap i just went thru on wednesday and today.You may contact me via this email address it is as follows:[email protected] this email address i will be checking and if you need to talk please feel free to email me and lets hammer these issues out.I am concerned for you and your better well being so please i urge you to contact me before you do something you cannot take back and may regret.


Your Wolf Brother,
Matt
 
Michael,

The concern of all your wolf brothers here is strong indication that you are worthy of that concern and that you are of worth & value as a person. Each & every one of us is. Uniquely.

What you have contributed to so many here out of your uniqueness is yet further indication of your worth just becuz you are you.

Remember you are a brother wolf & a survivor.

TC & TTYL.

Victor
 
Michael,

Please contact someone and talk, email, vent, whatever, rather than doing something you can't undo.

Pick someone here, call a hotline. I found this on google:

Crisis & Suicide Hotline 281-CARE
(Greater Cincinnati) 281-2273


What if the
Hotline Phone Number
for my local area
is no good ??

Call 1-800-SUICIDE


Please find a safe way to release some pressure.

Praying for you,

Joe
 
Michaelb,
It's me, David. I don't know if we've been introduced but I'm one of your brothers here. After reading what some of your other brothers have written to you, I just had to add my 22 cents worth.
It's funny, isn't it? We haven't met one another and yet we can know each other more intimately here than we probably know anyone anywhere else. I'm sorry, that may sound confusing, but I think that you know what I mean.
There guys, who have written to you before me, and others who are maybe too frightened to write to you, all, would like to be where you are, and collectively put our arms around you. We are, you know. Trying desperately to convince you to give us a chance--just one more chance.
The perps in our lives, the parents who weren't there for one reason or another, all of these are lined up on one side. And, your brothers, here, are lined up right behind you to catch you if you trip or stumble. You know that we out number them. You know that we are stronger than them. You know that we are here for you. You know that we care for you. Do you know that there are guys here that love you? That might be hard to hear. That might be hard to understand. That might be hard to feel. Why?
Why is it hard for us to accept helping, caring and loving? I think that it's because we aren't expecting that as a genuine gesture from one another. We're expecting to be discounted, to be hurt, to suffer, to be out in the cold, to be ignored. Michael, these guys want to care for you. We want to be the brothers/father you never had. Give us a chance--we need--that chance. PM anyone of us, someone has suggested.
Post here--keep talking to us.
Your brother in the struggle,
David
 
Michaelb,

Just remember, you're riding the SA roller coaster right now, sometimes you go downhill really fast for a long time, but then you go back up again. I rode it for four and a half years and then it grinded to a stop.

Hang in there, the ride seemed particularly bad for me just before it stopped. You might be trying to work through something you don't think you can face, but if it is something like that, what ever it is, its going to seem like nothing when your adult brain analyses it.

Peace
MO Healing
 
Michaelb:
MikeCome into chat again so we can put our arms around you in a long distance way. You are our brother and we are here to help you, no matter what. Please brother. aawwwhhoo
 
How does that go?

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AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaAAAAA...AAAAAAAAAAA
aaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I think I got it, by George, I think I got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on, Michael, give it a try. If this old goat, er, eh, wolf, can do it, so can you.
 
MichaelB,

Brother survivor why would you do this to yourself and you had better come up with a good reason otherwise you and i are going to go rounds and i will box your ears in until you listen to good reasoning why you permanently should not act upon what you are feeling.

Michael,i once was in your shoes doing the same exact thing you now are doing to yourself.I have not disclosed this anywhere else at anytime but since you are at where i was a few years back here goes hopefully something of worth to you.


"Death & Destruction"
&
Survival


There once was a young boy by the name of M.A.N. and he had been abused by his father who so much had wanted him at an orphanage years ago,this young boy at the time went home to live with this young married couple who could not have children so they adopted.This young boy lived with this adopted couple for many years until this young boys adopted mother passed away due to what is called M.S. after this mother passing this young boy lived with his adopted father and adopted brother.This young boy lived at home with this adopted father who had been discharged from the Naval Service of The United States Of America due to having to now care for two young boys on his own.This adopted father started to abuse both this young boy and his younger brother for many years physically,mentally and sexually and this went on for many years until this adopted father had found another woman he very much loved and married.Now these young boys were living with the adopted father and now his newly married wife and stepsister.The abuse took place for many more years after this marriage took place and this abuse took place very secretly to now both young boys and thier sister.This abuse took place to three young children until one night this younger sister went and told her mom that her new stepfather had touched her in places where he should not have.This mother took it upon herself to take and enter marriage counseling with this new husband at a religious place and it was at this place where the story of abuse came out and this adopted father was told by this institution to turn himself in which he did a month later even though he confessed to the abuse, he left and came back and went to the bighouse for more then seven years and then came out and now is still serving his time on parole.This young boy was placed in foster care and was bounced from foster home to foster home,group home to group home as he acted out because he hated everyone around him and did not completely understand it all.This young man during the course of all this had his younger brother placed back up for adoption and was then placed with a new family because of his age he was placeable whereas this older young man was not placeable in another adoptive home due to his acting out (uncontrolable behaviour) towards those in authority because he did not know who to trust and who to respect anymore or who he could talk with and get help from.This young man was in a group home until the age of 17 where he signed up for the military and pulled a three year term and got out.This young man at that time did not know what to do he had no one to turn to or to go home to because the stepmother had divorced this young mans stepmom years ago and he was not going to go back to live with his abusive father.At this point in this young mans life he did not know what to do with himself so he went into private industry life and held a job.During this time this young man had decided he was going to go driving one night after work to think and ponder some issues so he did.This young man went out and drove two hours back to his hometown where he was born because he had a lot of unanswered questions in his mind and was ready to end his life as he knew it.This night he drove back to the town in which he resided and went to his brothers cemetary and his adoptedmoms cemetary and was ready to end his life and go join his mom and brother as he wanted to so much end his suffering but, what stopped him was one friend who cared enough to stop and listen and help him find the answers needed to the puzzle.This young man found his birth family and reconnected with his stepfamily and now has a nephew that loves him like a son,so you see this is what keeps this man going from day to day otherwise this man would have checked out long ago because he had nothing to live for.This man is not saying it will be easy but,if you yourself keep working at this survival thing then you just might make it happen for yourself.

This brother struggles with many of things daily from the years of abuse he sustained but he remains a survivor and now is a member of surviving brothers who have made the choice to live on and heal and recover and most of all Survive which i know you can do.


Should you need to talk now that you have read this story and may be in the same boat now,feel free to please contact me either thru my email address which should be in my profile or please private message me here on the site for you see tis young man i spoke of was myself so i understand more then you may realize.


Stay Alive We As Brothers

Need You !!!


Sincerely,
Surviving Brother
Matt :) :cool:
 
How does that go?
aAaAaAaAaAaAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaAAAAA...AAAAAAAAAAA
aaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I think I got it, by George, I think I got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on, Michael, give it a try. If this old goat, er, eh, wolf, can do it, so can you.
Right on Ivanhoe! Music to my ears!

Victor
 
MichaelB,

Brother survivor why would you do this to yourself and you had better come up with a good reason otherwise you and i are going to go rounds and i will box your ears in until you listen to good reasoning why you permanently should not act upon what you are feeling.
Michael listen to your brothers here; listen to your brother Matt. He shares some good words & a powerful story here.

Michael,i once was in your shoes doing the same exact thing you now are doing to yourself. I have not disclosed this anywhere else at anytime but since you are at where i was a few years back here goes hopefully something of worth to you.
Matt thank you so much for having the courage, and
the compassion for Michaelb, to share this story.
In some ways it reminds me quite a bit of my own:


"Death & Destruction"
&
Survival

There once was a young boy by the name of M.A.N. and he had been abused by his father who so much had wanted him at an orphanage years ago, this young boy at the time went home to live with this young married couple who could not have children so they adopted.
My father did abuse me sexually & in other ways from very early infancy. However my mother was my prime perp. She put me in a children's home & not up for adoption becuz she couldn't handle me & if she couldn't have me then nobody could.

This young boy lived with this adopted couple for many years until this young boys adopted mother passed away due to what is called M.S. after this mother passing this young boy lived with his adopted father and adopted brother.
My younger "retarded" (by the abuse!) brother had already been institutionalized, gotten rid of, & died in that horrible place. I stayed in the children's home until I graduated from H. S. My mother had long since moved away.

This young boy lived at home with this adopted father who had been discharged from the Naval Service of The United States Of America due to having to now care for two young boys on his own. This adopted father started to abuse both this young boy and his younger brother for many years physically, mentally and sexually and this went on for many years until this adopted father had found another woman he very much loved and married.
Before putting me in the home & moving away of course my mother managed to abuse me & bring others in on the act from the time she divorced my
father when I was four (and with him, or he with her, before that), until I was 11. As far as I know I mostly protected my brother from that time.

Now these young boys were living with the adopted father and now his newly married wife and stepsister. The abuse took place for many more years after this marriage took place and this abuse took place very secretly to now both young boys and thier sister. This abuse took place to three young children until one night this younger sister went and told her mom that her new stepfather had touched her in places where he should not have.
My mother, for a year when I was 7 or 8, remarried
& we had a stepfather. He was nice when he wasn't drunk, which was rarely. He tried to abuse us all physically but I took the brunt of it to protect especially my brother, and often got beaten with a belt. After about a year he was jailed for a barroom brawl & this time my mother left him there. One of the few smart things she ever did, but only after I talked her into it.

There were also livein boyfriends, at least one of whom also joined in sexually & physically abusing me. She had one about the time I went into
the children's home, by whom she had a child. Don't know if she abused him or not, but I do know it wasn't long before the boyfriend left her,
taking the boy with him, soon remarried, and cut off all contact with my mother. The guy didn't seem like the sharpest tack on the wall, but he was smart enuf to do that. Otherwise I have no doubt my mother would have started with that boy the same thing she did with me--get rid of the man
& make the little boy she could control the man of the house & her surrogate husband! :eek:

This mother took it upon herself to take and enter marriage counseling with this new husband at a religious place and it was at this place where the story of abuse came out and this adopted father was told by this institution to turn himself in which he did a month later even though he confessed to the abuse, he left and came back and went to the bighouse for more then seven years and then came out and now is still serving his time on parole.
When I was 12 my mother had been under psychiatric
care & counseling with a pdoc who was based at this religious children's home (in FL BTW). I don't know if she ever told him (or anyone) about the abuse, I know the case workers & counselors there never talked to me about it. But this is where I ended up being placed for 4-5 years. All I know is the blame for being put there was laid on me, becuz I was "uncontrollable." Damned right;
that bitch wasn't gonna control me anymore! :mad: So she did the crime, & I did the time! Tho I could have ended up in worse places, tho it didn't
seem so at the time.

This young boy was placed in foster care and was bounced from foster home to foster home,group home to group home as he acted out because he hated everyone around him and did not completely understand it all.This young man during the course of all this had his younger brother placed back up for adoption and was then placed with a new family because of his age he was placeable whereas this older young man was not placeable in another adoptive home due to his acting out (uncontrolable behaviour) towards those in authority because he did not know who to trust and who to respect anymore or who he could talk with and get help from.
I didn't go into foster care but in the children's
home there were nine cottages & I lived in 7 of them including the temporary emergency shelter under threat twice of juvenile detention. I acted out sexually, verbally (talking back & cursing), physically (violence & fighting), emotionally (temper tantrums, blatant defiance, running away).
I hated anyone in authority. In fact I hated just about everyone especially myself (if you want see
"Male Authority Figures" thread). I definitely trusted no one especially myself.

This young man was in a group home until the age of 17 where he signed up for the military and pulled a three year term and got out.This young man at that time did not know what to do he had no one to turn to or to go home to because the stepmother had divorced this young mans stepmom years ago and he was not going to go back to live with his abusive father.At this point in this young mans life he did not know what to do with himself so he went into private industry life and held a job.
That was me, in the children's home until age 17,
then signed up for the military, tho I only lasted
about a year. Honorable discharge, unadaptability
clause. DUH! I wasn't adaptable to living!

During this time this young man had decided he was going to go driving one night after work to think and ponder some issues so he did.This young man went out and drove two hours back to his hometown where he was born because he had a lot of unanswered questions in his mind and was ready to end his life as he knew it.This night he drove back to the town in which he resided and went to his brothers cemetary and his adoptedmoms cemetary and was ready to end his life and go join his mom and brother as he wanted to so much end his suffering but, what stopped him was one friend who cared enough to stop and listen and help him find the answers needed to the puzzle.
On more than one occasion I thot of ending my life
tho I never made a serious effort. Only becuz of the few people I could find here & there who even
for a while would care just a little bit. And looks back at my life & all the hell I went thru & yet survived which gave me determination to keep surviving tho I often didn't know why. I think I was determined even then to show "them" that "they" couldn't beat me. And I was damned if I'd let them kill me like they did my brother!

I've yet to go back to that home (FL) tho I may someday. Only went back to my first home area (Manhattan) this past Christmas holiday, and it was a positive powerful experience for me; I posted about that before.

This young man found his birth family and reconnected with his stepfamily and now has a nephew that loves him like a son,so you see this is what keeps this man going from day to day otherwise this man would have checked out long ago because he had nothing to live for.This man is not saying it will be easy but,if you yourself keep working at this survival thing then you just might make it happen for yourself.
Really doubt if I ever do this. Tried to reconnect with my mother a couple years ago--again--and again it was a disaster. No other family around I know really. But I have my wife & two daughters--all unabused, the damned cycle broken--so I'm ok with that.

Matt, I'm glad you have supportive family & had a good friend there for you at a critical crossroad.

This brother struggles with many of things daily from the years of abuse he sustained but he remains a survivor and now is a member of surviving brothers who have made the choice to live on and heal and recover and most of all Survive which i know you can do.
Matt you sure are!

Should you need to talk now that you have read this story and may be in the same boat now,feel free to please contact me either thru my email address which should be in my profile or please private message me here on the site for you see tis young man i spoke of was myself so i understand more then you may realize.


Stay Alive We As Brothers

Need You !!!


Sincerely,
Surviving Brother
Matt :) :cool:
Thanks so much Matt.

Michaelb I echo Matt's words & sentiments.

Keep surviving & keep in touch bro!

Victor
 
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