What should people never say to a male survivor?

What should people never say to a male survivor?

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I just finished reading Mary DeMuth article "In which these 21 things shouldnt be said to sexual abuse victims" (https://sarahbessey.com/21-things-shouldnt-said-sexual-abuse-victims-guest-post-mary-demuth/)

It's good to see more articles like this coming out, that help to broaden people's awareness of what sorts of things are not helpful to say to the survivors in their lives. As is often the case with such material, it is written from a women's perspective, most likely for a female audience.

We, as male survivors, can and do hear similar things, however, we do tend hear people say very different things to us in response to us opening up to them about our abuse. Things that female survivors rarely, if ever hear.

What I'd like to ask you all, is what kinds of things have you been told, in response to hearing about the abuse you survived, things that people probably shouldn't have said?

Perhaps we could also add what we would have liked to have heard, instead.

I guess I'll begin:

After telling a friend of mine, about how I was abused, she responded "Well, I'm really sorry to hear what happened to you, however, women and girls experience abuse like that all the time, you're experience of abuse by a women was actually pretty rare."

What she should have said: "I'm really sorry that happened to you. No one should ever have to experience something like that. You are not alone."
 
Was she hot?

You could have stopped her, right?

She must have had a lot of issues going on, I feel sorry for her.

And so on...
 
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"You have to break it up with your boyfriend before you become entrenched in homosexuality, although it may already be too late."

Never say that. Especially if you're a social worker. Especially to a desperate fifteen year old boy who scraped up all his change to pay your fee and the bus fare to sneak into the city alone.
 
"OK. So he's not an angel. What we meant though was that you were being protected by an angel."

Parents
 
"Dude! Its time to get over it." [an adult friend]

Result: Feeling eternally isolated, like the space alien I have always been.

"Anything after the first time was probably your fault...you could have stopped it." [ex-wife]

Result: Truly wanting to pop my brain out the back of my head with a 12-Ga.
 
" why are you upset with that whole sandusky deal? that happened in pennsylvania, you're in kansas and have nothing at all to do with it. so, you shouldn't be upset at all, you idiot."

yeah, that was one of the latest ones i heard....
 
and here are a couple that cut the deepest....


" all the rest of you are beneath us. you don't deserve to be validated. " -one of oprah's 200 men to the rest of us survivors.

" you are not allowed to be angry. " - to me from an MS moderator about being angry with my abuser and what happened to me.
 
"Why didn't you (insert one or more) yell / run away / stop him / fight back / tell someone?"

"Did you get off? Then you must have liked it."
 
concerned_husky said:
I'm shaking my head reading this list...

I can only imagine the pain you guys went through after hearing those words.

it's the same as your pain... it cuts deep... i can handle the stabs from people who are ignorant to how abuse affects the lives of survivors... however, to hear it from fellow survivors is the worst...
 
"Well, that happens to a lot of people growing up. If I were you I wouldn't let it bother me."

---From a college professor, who thought he had all the answers to everything.

What he should have said, "I'm sorry to hear of your struggles. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know. Could I contact a therapist I know in the psychology department to possibly set up an appointment for you."

What I wish I'd said to him. - "If I were you I wouldn't let it bother me either. But I'm not you, and it's still bothering me. You asshole."


I very much agree with Obi, hearing such rot from those who don't have a clue is a lot easier to take than someone spouting off who should know better, but either doesn't care or thinks they could have dealt with it better.
 
Reading these comments just makes me realize your better off not telling ... No one really cares ... If someone hasn't walked in your shoes experienced what you've gone through they can't say shit .... That's why I keep to myself cause everyone has there own opinion... The only opinion I need is my own ...I haven't broke the silence yet and I never plan to .... that's why I don't judge anyone cause I don't know there story and sometimes would it even matter .. Cause no one needs to know mine .. Cause I'll just get judged even more .. Society is really fucked up and how people see things are usually always different ... The only thing we can do as survivors is relate ... If you haven't been abused u shouldn't say a word .. Sometimes not saying anything Is better off .... That's why I don't express my opinion on things cause it's not going to matter just going to instigate something...the link I posted is from Bronx tale ... This line in the movie really hits me deep https://youtu.be/dtfzNGzx4UA .... Cause honestly deep down no one cares
 
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Here are some good ones both as regards abuse and as regards some wonderful insensativity:

"They're really a very nice year if you give them a chance, it's just that everyone's got a lot on their plates at the moment with exams"

Something my head of year said to me at age 15 when the bullying if not the abuse was referenced, it still gives me satisfaction that on the last day of school the "nice year" spat on her, just like they did to me.

"I know your blind but it's still wrong to touch girl's like that never do it again!"

Teacher after I punched someone in the chest during an abuse session, I'm not sure if he saw the girl's hand on my croch at the time or not.

"You can be very arrogant you know, no wonder people don't like it"

Another great teacher comment after I reported a physical beating.

"Did you like this girl? what was her name? why did you tell her to get lost, that was really rude!"

I know this one was entirely and completely unavoidable but it still hurts. I mentioned to my mum a girl at school had said she liked me, ---- which was actually only half of what she said neither did I mention that said girl had been forcing my hand up her blouse at the time, and my mum's response was so overwhelmingly alien!

"Oh but %70 of men would rape a woman if they could, male abuse is really rare, believe me I was raped I know"

From a woman who seemed down right proud of the fact she was raped.

"But girlswouldn't do that?"

This response from someone I hinted to about teenaged abuse, I didn't even mention myself just male abuse by women and that was his response.

"Well if your a man, losing your peanus is the worst thing that can happen sinse it's so important to a man's identity, it's something men are always conscious of"

This one really! hurt, it was a comment in conversation from someone who knows both about my abuse and my genophobia. I couldn't help thinking would she have done the same, telling a emale abuse surviver that bascially her hole identity was her s/xual organs.

"Well I know it can sometimes happen to men but it's women that are the most important because women make families and have children"

that one was a woman on the radio talking about abuse, a surviver herself apparently, with her nice little family and husband who she was obviously keen on (yeah, bully for her! having all the easy answers).

and the crowning one, one which kept me up all night last night in a real state wasn't actually about abuse but someone's comment on experiences of disabled people victimized in schools.

"Oh I've heard much worse, everyone gets it"

Admitedly, the chap didn't know exactly what he was saying at that point, but I really! struggled with not giving him the low down on just how much worse things could get, ---- so everyone gets it do they?
 
My "favorite" was from my father, when I told him about being raped by the teenage boy when I was you and by being serially sexually abused by my mother:

"No wonder you're so screwed up."

Wow.
 
(((Mike)))
 
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Another one that someone told me: "She was probably victimized herself, most likely by a man."

I often run into these kinds of claims, where by my experience is invalidated, while validating the experiences of my perp, simply because she was a women, whereas I am not.

I would have preferred the person to have said something like "whatever that women's experiences were, they are no excuse for what she did to you."

Thank you to everyone who has posted so far. I know this can painful, bringing these memories back to the fore, but I really feel as though when these less than satisfactory interactions are left unresolved, they can often just fester within us. At least, that's what I find, personally.

From what I'm reading from your responses, there seems to be a number of who have these hurtful interactions with others. Perhaps they didn't mean to be hurtful, it could be that their intentions were good, but unfortunately, good intentions aren't sufficient to help and support survivors of abuse.

I'm trying to learn from this. I'd like to figure out how to communicate my needs and set boundaries with people who say such things. Hearing what you guys have to say about what you believe should have been said to you is nothing less than empowering.
 
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