Weekend of Recovery?

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Weekend of Recovery?

Hi, All...

I am still very new here but I also paid for membership and I am wondering if that could entitle me to attend one of the "Weekend of Recovery" sessions as scheduled below.


"The following weekends of recovery are now planned for the remainder of 2005:

? Level I (open to any survivors): Sept. 9-11, 2005 at Alta Lodge, Alta, Utah (outside of Salt Lake City)

? Clergy Abuse Survivor Weekend: Nov. 4-6, 2005 at Kirkridge, Bangor, PA"

I am female, but I am a SA survivor and I have a deeply-committed relationship with a male CSA survivor and wish to educate myself as much as possible to support both him and myself on our mutual journeys to recovery. I am interested in both of the weekends offered but I am pretty sure I could not afford both, if I am even permitted to attend because of my gender. I have a special interest in the clergy issues, also.

Could someone please advise me of whether I am eligible to attend either weekend and, if so, which would be the most helpful if I am only able to afford one?

(I have my fingers crossed that I am eligible to attend and that there is still room for one more.)

Thanks so much.
 
Thank you, Zachary, for the clarification.

When the post on the weekends said "open to any survivors," I guess I considered myself a "survivor," also, and had not defined that as any "male" survivor. I was going to just go ahead and register and found the wording on the registration page and it clearly stated that the weekends are for "men 18 and older." So, I found an answer after I posted this question.

I have worked very hard on recovery from my own SA issues, but I want to gain a very comprehensive and one-on-one knowledge and insight strictly related to male survivors so that I can be as effective as possible as a support system for a male survivor who I love. I can't seem to find the same kind of insight just reading impersonal articles. I was hoping for more first-person insight and thinking that these weekends were intended to help in that way. However, in reading the registration site, I can understand and sympathize with the reason why women would not be permitted to attend.

Thank you so much for your kind words in responding to my call for help and my need for information. This means a great deal to me. You can feel pretty alone out here when you are trying to be a good support system, too. I can't learn as well as I desire without some personal interaction and I do want to learn well and effectively. I think that a partner can become part of the problem or part of the solution. I need to be "part of the solution." For that goal, I need as much first-person knowledge and insight as I can gain.

Thanks again. I wish you well on your journey for answers and solutions.
 
LadyJude,
so glad you found your answer.

Perhaps some day in the future there could be a possibility of having weekends of recovery for those of us who are "partners" to deal with our own special issues that come from our partnerships.

Our partner support group here where I live is very thin, if not almost non existant.

I know it would take much work for those who lead and set up these weekends of recovery. But I certainly would love to participate and think it could help us with our own paths.
Peace, Sammy
 
Hi, Sammy...

I did some more digging and found out that there has been some discussion on "coed" sessions, but nothing has been decided or planned. But there is some good news and I will share it with you now. I was not given permission to quote, but I was also not told to keep this to myself. Here is what was told me when I dug some more:

"MaleSurvivor does sponsor a semi-annual conference where partners and family members are welcome to participate. The conferences serve both the purpose of training for professionals, and for survivors and their families of support, they are also opportunities to learn more, network
and gain support."

I was advised to watch this website for announcements about these conferences. Needless to say, I will we watching very closely.

I have only just learned very indirectly in the last few weeks what the nature of the problem has been between Don and me. He has only recently disclosed to me (and only very indirectly) that this is the nature of the wall between us, but he has not talked to me at all about it. From what male survivors have stated in the public forums here, they have gained great relief when they have finally "talked" to their partners/wives/SO's and discovered that they are dearly loved and that none of their fears and doubts have come to pass after disclosing, but that they have felt deeply loved and supported instead. I know that when Don finally decides that it's time to take down his "wall of silence," he will also gain tremendous relief when he finds himself loved deeply, securely, and unconditionally and that nothing in the relationship has changed or ever will change. I know that when he is ready, he will finally "talk" to me and then we will both be greatly relieved and then we can go about the business of making a beautiful and deeply fulfilling life together.

I have had to adjust to all of this new information suddenly and quickly, and now I am anxious to learn as much as I can from others and from him so that I can avoid triggers and help to support and build toward a successful relationship with also includes recovery and healing for his CSA and my SA.

We have learned much together but there is more to learn and, I know that while there are many commonalties in CSA and SA, we are also all individuals and one person is not like the next. But, it would help me to learn as much as I can about all aspects so that I am as fully aware and prepared as I can be with as many tools in my toolbox as I can collect to support him as well as I want to. I regard him as the BEST human being possible and that he deserves the VERY BEST of everything from me and from life, itself.

I suppose that my own emotional state was pretty clearly rocky before when I posted in here. I think I have finally centered and reached some balance again. I apologize if I was negative in any ways. I will have to admit ignorance of CSA and SA, even my own. I work professionally with many couples who use the withholding of sex and intimacy as punishment, so I had a bias in that regard before some of my ignorance was replaced with awareness and knowledge. So, if any of my previous posts annoyed or offended anyone, I hope they are charitable and generous enough to forgive one who was a little lost in emotional wonderland for a while and who was still walking around in an unfamiliar landscape applying what had been so familiar before. Thankfully, I learn quickly... and I am more motivated than anyone can even imagine....and I promise not to step on any toes again. :-(

Thanks again for the connection. It's been kinda lonely out here with no one but me and my passion and pretty much talking to myself since I have had no one else to talk to......

Judi
 
LadyJude,
WOW! that is great news about the partner / coed sessions. I hope that we all can watch for them and make sure to post when this can happen.

As to making "mistakes" - Judi we are all very human and for me that means we make human mistakes. Allow yourself forgiveness.

As partners just learning the "news" of our partners SA and other Trauma's it does send us into our "own" spins. AND then we have our "own" separate issues to deal with.

Being an SA survivor myself & you also -- I believe that this just adds to the already deep piles of effects / affects.

I shared once with a friend who is also a survivor of SA. She had asked me WHEN did it "get better". I had to tell her in my opinion I didn't know when it "got better". I think since in my view we are basically 1st generation leaders & ground breakers in this area how can we know?
I likened some of it to the "Ya Ya Sisterhood" except we have no elder women who are able to "lead us" in our paths of healing from this trauma or to how to even support our partners as they heal.

As we age the triggers seem to change, and so does our need of coping skills. What may have once worked no longer may work?

I think as long as we are open to change and willingness to work we have potential to make great change and lead to make a smoother path.

Peace, Sammy
 
Sammy...

I really appreciate your kind and wise words. You truly are the "voice of reason." Yes, this did throw me a bit into a "spin," but it is a very excellent "spin" because it is finally TRUTH and that's what I have needed... since before I was only shadow boxing. At least with Truth, I can see the problem and know that solution is attainable.

Thank you. I forgave myself just before I posted my apology. Yes, I do recognize my own humanity and that of others and I welcome the opportunity to promote and accept change and see it as a grand adventure on the journey to the bounty which Life holds out to those who are willing to work hard enough to reach it.

Yes, thank you for your recognition and support in this .. My willingness to work for change has kept me electric with energy for a very long time.. Before "disclosure," I had run out of ideas on where to spend that energy. I think I was finally getting a little bit like a "slap-happy" boxer taking a poke at moving shadows. I think that in the transition between not being able to identify the problems and then finally seeing, some of that energy just went a little whacko...as my focus has gone from pretty sloppy to tighter and more accurate. I think I am finally recapturing my energy now into something more organized and purposeful.. so that I can function more effectively. You have helped me sharpen my focus here and I really appreciate it. I hope to keep learning all that is generously shared on this wonderful site by the very courageous and generous men who are willing to tell their stories so that we can learn what they need and how to support them and also to learn from their generous friends/family members/partners who are so dedicated and determined to remain steadfastly and lovingly supportive of them.

We are trailblazers.. yes, indeed. I like the idea of the "Ya Ya Sisterhood," though...may we have chocolate chip cookies at our meetings?

Truly, I do so much appreciate your generosity. I was so used to the aftermath of my own SA that it never occurred to me to examine it and confront it as its own entity. I've been wrestling it to the ground for over four years now and I think it's too weak to bite me very hard anymore.. maybe just a little nibble now and then... I'm pretty proud of that. It feels good to shatter the mirror of lies that I have looked into for so long and see the real me. I'm glad I have an understanding of that now and I feel hopeful that this understanding will make me a better support system, and better able to work toward a relationship of partners who are both "who they really are."

Thanks so much. Your reaching out to me has touched me deeply and I am most grateful... It's hard to put words from the heart into words from the fingers. Some of what I have just done is part of "Letting Go." In my confusion, I think I was trying to hold onto too much control. I don't feel the need for that anymore.. Somehow it has come and gone pretty suddenly.. I like it being gone... that feels much better.... :-)

Judi
 
Dear LadyJude,
**caution may contain triggers***

Your positive energy is very infectious and that is such a good thing. I do want to share with you tho' thru my own trials & travels that in taking care of YOU through out supporting your partner. Give plenty of time to YOU, and your own issues that may be triggered by your partners.

I never realized for so many years how much my own Hubby & I had "fed" off of each other so often. Whether it was positive or negative energies. As you know we (hubby & I) are in a positon of enviromentally being forced into what I liken to "pergatory". Now I am not saying that we NEVER talk about our SA & the issues that come up daily around that. But, currently we are without having a T involved in our healing process. We just know already that it would be adding something to our already overly full schedules & it would just lead to not being able to fulfill a goal for us. = failure.

We've had enough of failure and so are being careful to "plan" better for our healing process.

When you said "shadow boxing" - that was such a wonderful way of saying exactly what I was dealing with my own partner for sooooo many years. I knew of his abuse, (one incident his dad rescued him in the act), but not of the 2nd very long lasting violent act. Even knew the guy still lives in our area & Hubby quit a job when this asshole showed up to work there. He came home such a mess & was asking me what he should do he said "i just want to quit my job" - I then responded telling him yes that was a very viable option and I would support him in what ever his choice then. He did quit his job, but it took just a few hours of us coming up with what would appear as a "viable" reason without disclosing to others WHY.

Now several years later after he has been forced to be in "classes" with this same son of a bitch, he has no problem just "telling" what the asshole did to him to his co workers who have the guts to "''ask". He has only been able to share since his break through of the rest of the memories, he had blocked much of the violence that went with it.

I now know "What" I am boxing with. Though many times I don't recognize what my own "subtle triggers are" that I still continue to sometimes shadow box - often it is I think a form of "transference" of HIS issues mixed with MY issues. Hubby is or at least so far as I am aware has not been able to confront me when we may be in an "argument or spat or discussion" to point our what is MY issue separate from his.

Part of me fears our upcoming marriage counseling & last night he said again he too carries some fear with this as we don't know IF we will remain a couple AFTER the counseling. We know this is a reality of possible outcome, not that we are actively wanting that outcome, we just know it is a possibility. No matter how much we "love" each other or need, depend , or care for each other. I like that WE can at least vocalize our fears and be "real" with each other & yet still remain calm and loving during the conversations.

I think too that we are entitled to not just chocolate cookies as a Ya Ya Sisterhood, but some mighty BIG accolades for our work done so far. AND I know for my own personal self if I ever got to meet Maya Angelou & Ellen Bass & Laura Davis (some writers who have helped me tremendously)I would probably "tackle hug" them to the ground!! :D

I remember along my healing path I even had to take sticky notes and post them to remind myself I was worthy & especially post it notes for when I was on the phone with extended family to "remember" what I could say to excuse myself from being trapped into their sickness & yet still hold my own integrity. sometimes I still need them, sometimes I desperately want a "note" from my HUbby just saying he loves me - or that He is thinking of me --

Our history (hubby & I) is filled with many lies, lies that are going to take a long time to rebuild trust with EACH other. I even lied to myself so much just to "get thru" the day. Not only about HIS behavior, but my own in HOW I was dealing with what I knew Hubby was doing tho' it was still in the shadow boxing stage. ( i didnt have exact details of HIS behaviors only suspicions).

I was so used to the aftermath of my own SA that it never occurred to me to examine it and confront it as its own entity. I've been wrestling it to the ground for over four years now and I think it's too weak to bite me very hard anymore.. maybe just a little nibble now and then... I'm pretty proud of that. It feels good to shatter the mirror of lies that I have looked into for so long and see the real me. I'm glad I have an understanding of that now and I feel hopeful that this understanding will make me a better support system, and better able to work toward a relationship of partners who are both "who they really are."
I dont want to put a damper on your energy that you have now Judi - but something I feel like I need to say -- For ANY survivor it is a lifetime of dealing with the after effects. Currently you have this new found ability and knowledge on WHAT you (we) are have been shadow boxing. I know you are in a place that your own "entity" is more quiet & you have been wrestling it to the ground. I want to say that while our own issues from SA can be quietly sitting on the ground, at times unexpected they can re gain power & effect us. With less power most often, and we can and often do have the ability to quickly pull out of our tool belts the proper tools to put the issues back in perspective. Yet what I have found is my own issues "morph & change" with my knowledge.

I know I have a continued to grow, and sometimes I have gotten so "complacent" in my comfort that seems to be when my past can re empower itself BEFORE I can recognize the new and changed issue. A new level of the same old issue ??

You ARE a better support system now that YOU have knowledge of WHAT you are shadow boxing. I geuss what I want to share with you is that YOU are so important to take care of you.

In my own experience I found that often it was easier for me to find others (co dependant) to take care of, rather than to find my own self worthy enough to take care of. I especially did this and struggle with this right now with my own Hubby. Some of my drivers right now that I can identify is my own selfishness of wanting "just time with him", and for him to "hurry up and catch up with me" - so that our conversations can go smoother and quickly. I know why. I simply am still afraid that in dealing with Hubbys issues it may trigger ME into finding yet even MORE bullshit I haven't dealt with, or a "new memory" of my own. AND yet it brings on the self inner talk of negativity from my own survivor issues.

It becomes and could become a "struggle" as to whose issues become higher on the priority list. I want so badly for Hubby to face down his monsters, that in looking back from my own perspective now seem so small, yet I know in my mind and heart they are HUGE and still at times seem insurmountable.

Yet, I thank myself for "surviving" in anyway I could and anyway HE could when it was actually happenning , I KNOW we can get through this layer and portion of our life together also. For me it seems a bit of "twisted hope", that yes I am glad I was abused in a sense because now I can KNOW I can survive and even THRIVE in spite of what others may do with evil.

Without those "experiences" I am not sure I could be strong enough for us when needed. I CAN understand when he is in a position that he cant speak, I dont HAVE to have him tell in great detail if he chooses not to. I CAN have empathy and not just "sympathy", and can validate his anger and talk about WHAT we would like to do in gruesome detail to our abusers, and yet KNOW he is not going to act on those thoughts. Yet, I am also aware that he needs someone who can know WHEN he is in a situation of real danger to himself or others.

So, in a way I geuss my own abuse helps keeps me "grounded" when he is having a totally shitty day or week or month. I also know that I have to keep reminding myself That "I" am just as brittle as he is during our healing of our individual selves and as a couple.

Little by little he is re gaining my trust, and little by little I am actually learning that I can trust even myself to make good choices. I had thought for the longest time I had "put my issues" in a proper place. Only to find out that as I mature and age, so do my issues and so will his.

There IS hope and it is Valid. I know and he knows WE (he & I & other survivors) cannot do "this" alone. We will pick back up our tools we have learned that work along the way, we will need at times others to remind us that we even HAVE that tool available. AND we both know, for US we will need a very good professional who can help us as a couple to heal not only from our SA, but from a long union filled with hurts , some we chose and some we did not choose.

We know we cannot do "it" alone. We also know that we will also need to do our "own" work along the way.

You are so right in saying how good it feels to find out "who we really are".

"Letting go" is something I still very much struggle with. Partly due to Hubby's lies and his acting out that he did. Partly due to the lies I told myself just to "survive" and have what I percieved as my "perfect family". AND of course I still hold fear that in his process of "letting go" - he may decide it is best to let go of me.

So I struggle with the fear of him possibly letting go of me, and I know I personally am not ready for that emotionally nor physically. I want the best for Hubby, but my selfish self wants his best for him to include me. Warts and All...

When Hubby & I were separated in 2 different homes I bullshitted myself often into thinking I was feeling so much better without him. Only to look back over these past 3 or 4 yrs to find out I never completely let go of him -- we did grow for our own selves, and some of his personal growth I like, other parts I dislike. I know reasonaably he too has found those same feelings about me.

Yet we continue to "Try" each day, and it is getting better. The bad days feel really bad, probably like they are "supposed to", and good days feel good, and again probably like they are supposed to. Finding reality for us is truly a challenge. One I have some fear with, yes I know this must be "normal", the other part is something we can "celebrate" with a Ya! Ya!

We go on carrying Faith, Hope and celebrating Joy, and even celebrate being able to feel sadness and grief --- It is "freeing" in so many ways to heal.

Be prepared Judi to take good care of YOU along the way. Forgive yourself, and others as much as possible.

Peace for us All, Sammy
 
Sammy...

The most intelligent thing I can say in response to your very thoughtful post is that I am going to print it out and keep it by me for a very long time because you are so wise and caring that not only do you enrich the life of your husband, but you have enriched mine, as well. Your words fall softly but powerfully on my mind and my heart and I can tell you that there is no way this beautiful man will let go his life partner who is far too beautiful to ever let go.

I am going to "hush" for a while now to digest and to take care of me, as you so wisely have suggested. I have a lot to learn and it's time to be all eyes and ears and for me to learn to just relax. "All's well that ends well" and when I follow my heart it can only go in one direction toward the light of Love.. and I just follow and have faith.

Thank you again for sharing.. Yes, I would very much like to have those chocolate chip cookies and maybe some gingerale, too...

I will be just reading for a while in kind of a "hush".....

Judi (((hugs)))
 
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