Very long, may trigger...New here and DESPERATE! Please help!

Very long, may trigger...New here and DESPERATE! Please help!

txpearl

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Id like to introduce myself, tell you all who I am and who he is that I love so much but I have come to the end of my rope, a place where I do not care to be and I desperately need some guidance/advice from people who have been dealing with this a lot longer than I. I will set down a few specifics about my own past so everyone can clearly see why we have a double dynamic going on here. At the age of 5, I was sexually abused by my then step father. This went on for the entire year he and mom were married. At the age of 15, I was raped. Although there is more to the story, little things here and there throughout my life that have been abuse too, these were the two major events. After that, I acted out to the extreme. I was exceedingly promiscuous and extraordinarily detached from the whole sexual act. For me, it is was always more of a hurry up and get done kind of thing. I never felt any emotion but I continued to spread my legs because that is what I somehow believed I was good for. When I was in my early 20s I began seriously working on my issues and got to a place where I no longer believed I was to blame, or that I was only good for sex. I began to have healthier relationships although I still remained detached emotionally during sex. I am now 36 and 8 months ago I met my boyfriend. I disclosed to him early on. He is the man that I have waited my entire life to find, the right man for me in so very many ways..BUT.
After we had been together for a few months, he began to disclose bits and pieces of his own CA at the hands of his mother. This occurred from the time he was seven until he was 13. Knowing this literally broke my heart. Little did I know that when he continued disclosing I was the only person he had ever told so much. He had tried in the past with ex-wives and others and would test the waters, so to speak, but would meet with others who didnt seem to care, who believed the myth that boys cannot actually be abused sexually, or they simply didnt believe him. I was the first person he says that he could ever look at and know believed him. So to date, he has disclosed and has in effect freed himself from the burden of carrying such a heavy weight all alone, but it has made some things very ugly and very scary. On two occasions, this man whom I adore forced himself on me, in effect raping me. On way too many occasions to count, this man has asked me to go places sexually that I do not feel I can go, but if I falter he pushes until he gets his way. He drinks so much now and though he says it helps take it away, I watch from the outside and find that if he drinks too much it puts him right in the middle of his yesterdays and his abuse and he relives it which is when his behaviors against me take place. Let me just say that he was the first person I ever experienced any real emotion with during sex, I opened myself fully for the first time, (I did this before I knew what happened to him as a boy or any of the rest of the story about his teenage years and 20s). I allowed myself to put heart into the act, to really feel something. Once I found out however and his insanity worsened I began to retreat inside my shell. It isnt so easy to be back there now that I know what making love is, what it can really be like to be truly intimate with another person. She coerced him. She abused him, hitting him and beating him, to get her way. She shared him with a friend. She did all manner of unspeakable things to her own son and he eventually did all manner of unspeakable things to himself now, I pay the price. He wants me to hurt him physically during sex but sometimes he hurts me and I do not like it either way. He pretends I am Momma, acts like a little boy during sex and I find this most difficult of all to bear. He calls me names, gropes and grabs and basically treats me like I am still the girl I used to be. (Keep in mind that this only usually arises when he has been drinking.) I despise it, I hate it, I want it to go awaybut I love this man and know how damaging CA can be. I do not want to give up or quit. I know he is broken. I know he wants to heal. I know he does not mean to hurt me. I know he steps way over the lines but he doesnt mean to. I know he is so early in his recovery that the past is flaring in him very strongly now. I know that I am the only one there he can share it with or take it out on. When he isnt back there in his mind we have a beautiful relationship. He is a hard man, not always easy to approach or to love but he has detached too. He never wanted to love anyone, but he did and I am that lucky lady. I do consider myself lucky, though perhaps I shouldnt. I do believe we can make it intact if we both find ways to cope. This is the problem, his behaviors are affecting me very negatively. I find myself to be detaching further and further because once I opened myself I became very vulnerable and it has gotten to the point that I have come to dread sexual activity with him not only because of his fantasies, role playing, and rare but there nevertheless attacks but also because I FINALLY had learned what it really was supposed to be. I have learned he has to go some place else in his mind in order to orgasm when we are together. I have learned that although he pushes very hard for the fantasy type thing he is never fulfilled by them. I have learned that if during intimate moments if he really starts feeling emotionally connected and vulnerable, he starts to shake, gets really nervous and will eventually change it all up or pull away completely. I have learned that he loves but doesnt know how. I have tried to tell him how his behaviors are impacting me. I want and need love from him. I never want to feel that all I am good for is sex the way he must have it. I want a normal, healthy, happy relationship. The man I fell in love with is not the man he is. He hid the real man from me until he learned he could trust me with who he really is. Let me again stress that I do love this man and am committed to standing beside him all the way. However, must I not draw lines? Must I not say enough is enough, I cant do it this way for you anymore because it is tearing me to shreds? He seems to think I make too much of things because my stack of issues is so small and insignificant compared to his which belittles me and tells me that my own abuse is nothing in comparison and, no, in many ways it is not, but my hurt still hurts the same as his does. What can I do to be constructive, to be positive, to be an encourager, to be supportive without allowing for the destruction of my own soul in order to meet his needs. I dont want to be Momma. I dont want to hurt him physically. I dont want him to hurt me. I dont want to fear him because his rage can be against me although I am not the person that abused him. I dont want have to quit on a man I think is truly worth loving and fighting for. He does love and fight for us when he is not lost back there in his mind. When he is back there, I am the enemy it seems. Please someone help me. I love him but I cant keep doing this. There HAS to be another way. I have encouraged him to come here. He said he isnt ready. So I suggested maybe he just start by reading others posts. He said he would. I said fantasies are fine but there are some that should remain fantasy. I dont think he agrees with that only because he wants it that way so badly. Please, any advice anyone could give ESPECIALLY survivors would mean so much to me. I need help. Thanks to everyone who responds to this in advance.
 
Txpearl,
Do you remember that radio show psychiatrist/personality named Dr. Ruth.....well,
her advise would be "just wash that man right outta yer hair". It sounds like he had some things to offer you but is now becoming dangerous and is a threat to you. So even though he is a SA survivor, get rid of him! Let him work on his own issues and you look after yourself and move on. I know this is a concrete and simplistic answer, but for me, it is the bottom line. Your safety must come first. Peace, Andrew
 
Please please be careful! Female survivors of rape OFTEN find their way into abusive relationships. This is no less abusive just because your man is a survivor. Being a survivor does not make us good people - our actions make us good people. I would recommend that you find a local shelter for battered women & see if you can find a group therapy session for yourself. You will not believe the strength you will find in those women!!! Their struggles will inspire you to free yourself from his abuse & start to learn to love YOURSELF more.
 
Hi TXpearl,

I have to say, you don't want to quit on this man... have you quit on yourself? If it comes down to it, who will you quit on?

His drinking is no excuse. If all intoxicating substances vanished from the world tomorrow and he still wanted to treat you (and himself) in such a shabby way, he would find some other method of justifying it to himself.

There are other men in the world with whom you can find a true sense of intimacy and mutual love. The key to having that is in you, not in the other guy.

Look, for the most part, people choose what is familiar to them, even when they know it's not really what's best for them. If you say, "the only relationship I will be in with you is a healthy one, where you respect my body and stop taking things out on me"-- he might choose the healthy relationship, or he might choose to be unhealthy without you. But IMO any statement you make about being committed to him no matter what, sends the message that you will continue to accept the treatment you are getting.

I am sorry that you are dealing with so much.

SAR
 
TXPearl - You sure sound like a very strong woman, a survivor, a woman who knows what she needs in order to continue to survive...and your current situation is not what will help you to continue to survive.

No one (read this twice), NO ONE deserves to be abused, at any age, at any time, for any reason!!! Not when you were five, not when he was seven and not now when you're thirty-six. He is abusing you. It is violent and twisted and an extension of his own self-destruction. See it for what it is. I'm sure he's charming when he's sober. But he's not always sober. I'm sure it is early in his recovery but what steps is he taking to advance that recovery? He is not ready to come to this site. What is he ready to do to save you from being further hurt by him? Ask yourself these questions, then ask him the same.

I see your dilemma and don't envy you. You finally found the right guy. But the right guy is at least as willing to abuse you as he is to get help...probably more so. Please see this man for who he is at the moment (I say at the moment because we all have the ability to change). He is a man who is conning you into being his willing victim. He's dangling a carrot and you keep trying to reach it...but...it's...just...too...far. STOP IT!!! Get strong again. You need to distance yourself from him and the relationship. You are being re-traumatized by his actions. Take some time apart. Let him know you won't be back around until he can prove that he is making efforts to change and that those changes will put an end to his abusive behavior.

I know none of this is what you want to hear. But I think you wanted the truth, so there it is. You are too important and have come too far in your own recovery to be putting up with him the way he is acting now. Get some therapy, read Allies in Healing and the Courage to Heal by Laura Davis. Whatever you do, put yourself first. Your safety is in jeopardy. Be well - John
 
To all of you who have replied to me thus far---THANK YOU, a million times---THANK YOU!
I do not ever wish to give up on me. I know where I have been. I know what I am. I know what I am worth. I also know that what has been going on with the man I love is wrong and not at all like it ought to be, even in a relationship that exists within the hazy boundaries of past individual SA.
Despite my own history, I realize that I can have a healthy, nurturing relationship. I expect nothing shall ever be as easy for me as it is for others who have not experienced what I have in life. Nevertheless, I want a real shot at real happiness.
I do not want to be abused. I do not want to suffer at the hands of a person who is supposed to love me. The support I get here is the backbone I need to say...

I love you! I am sorry for what happened to you but I didn't do it and I will not be subject to your abuse any longer. If you want to love me and keep this relationship you can only do that by actively pursuing help for yourself, by giving nothing less than honesty and truth without pain, by committing to be a part of a healthy relationship one based on trust and love and safety. If you cannot do these things, I cannot remain with you.

I need a network of support, a safe place to turn to voice my fears and my feelings. I found it here. I do not want to be pitied or looked down on for trying to support that one man who is so right but so wrong at the moment and finding myself loving him nevertheless. Even if I said goodbye today and walked away, I would pray for him, worry for him, and hope that he finds his way into the sun because I do love him truly. Insane as that may be.
I know I have a long road ahead of me and I will have to speak to him very seriously about this issue when he is not drinking and let him know exactly where he stands without buying into his whole, "but I was abused much worse than you and I can't help it" argument. There is no excuse that I should ever buy into just so he can continue down the same path and I can be the one who endures the rage and the insanity.
Love him, yes, I do, but I will not give up my own sanity just to help him find a way out of the abyss. Besides, I know I can't help him without him wanting to first help himself.
Thank you all again and I will so welcome many more responses. It helps me more than I can say.
 
Hi TxPearl, Today is the day, the day to walk out on him! Until he changes, it is what you have to do, if not for you then for any kids you may have. Do it now, because if you wait for tomorrow, tomorrow never comes. You can not stay on a promise from him, because he will keep saying that he's going to change and he never will. You have to leave, set your boundaries, he can not do that to you!
I can not see you going back to him before 6 months, as it will take at least that long for him to get sober, and make progress on a 12 step program like AAA. Only after he gets the drinking under control can he start getting help for what his mother did to him.

My mother stayed with my step dad way to long. While I wrote this from my viewpoint, you can read between the lines, and see that she endured way to much.
the chaotic years 1968 - 1972 Triggers

There is a very good web site for female survivors called Pandora\'s Aquarium I am also a member there.

I also wrote my survivor story on here. If you decide to leave him, for now. You may want to print it out, and write on the back, that the little boy that happened to wants to know why the hell he wants to rape his wife!
This link goes to a very graphic story! beware!
Long Graphic Story, BIG BIG Triggers!

Maybe just maybe it will get his attention!

Take care, I wish you the best.
Lostcowboy
 
Dear TxPearl,

I am sorry I did not catch your post sooner. I am echoing everything in opinions and advice given in the other postings.

I too am a survivor and my Hubby also - but NEVER is it ok to ever REINJURE or INJURE another person. Alcohol abuse may be his tool at this time to allow him to cross the lines of love and respect to abuse you. Whom ever posted that even if the alcohol is removed he may find a different form to help him cross boundaries, they are very wise in that information.

Yet, YOU have not only SURVIVED you have THRIVED in spite of all you have been thru.

In short my story is that my hubby was convicted of a misdemeanor sex offense against a 20 yr old friend of our daughters.

the ONLY reason we are working on our relationship to heal it (we are in about yr 4 now) IS because Hubby stepped up to the plate took and owns his responsibility for his actions in this event. The healing has been hellish and outlandish at times on the roller coaster tho.

Currently he attends group counseling for Sex Addicts Anonymous & has sporadic in individual counseling. You can look thru some of my postings by just using the search engine on here & put my name in, if you want more info or just ask and I will do my best to answer. We separated for about 3 yrs and have only been back together not quite a yr (physically living together).

I can only repeat - YOU have come so far in your own healing process that placing yourself in danger of a survivor who is still active in causing further damage is so dangerous for YOU.

Only HE can heal himself.

I can hear your strength for yourself and others in your postings. YOU have come so far, and yes as you know sometimes we slip back.

Hubby & I are still struggling like hell BUT even tho he has made multiple mistakes (as I have also) in his healing process he NEVER physically injures me or others.

He has been sporadic in the past in his attendance to individual counseling and group therapy. Only in the past 3 or so weeks has he been ADAMANT to not miss a group meeting.

IF my Hubby was abusing alcohol again or failing to continue to TRY to heal not only HIS issues but the damage of his acting out & making steps toward healing "US"... I would not still be with him.

it is a very difficult road for a singular survivor to travel to a sense of some peace about our abuse -- having 2 survivors at times feels insurmountable.

Please take good care of YOU no matter the steps YOU need to take to survive. ONLY HE can choose to heal.

From my understanding alcohol is a key fuel in his behavior prior to his treatment of you,(from reading your post) not uncommon but not an EXCUSE either.

Please know YOU are not alone in this -- even if you choose to leave him to get to safty (IMO highly recomended even if temporary) it does not mean that he must be excluded forever until he is safe to be around. Please re read the last line -- UNTIL he is safe to be around.

My heart feels for you and I want to encourage you to continue to feel free to come here and share as you feel need to do so.

May your days become more peaceful and filled with love and safty --

Sammy
 
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