Very long, confusing, triggers

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This is long, this is confusing, because I am confused of it, just real crazy thing, and I do not know what to think on it.

Anyone who do not known it before, I was abuse by four different men, but one, he was one who 'give me' to the others, cause that to happen more. More the one who been 'in control' of it all? He was one I fear, because I would see him sometime at events both us would need be at, not the others, one of others, more I was scared of, but he is one now in prison. This man, he was one I seen more. We have 'issue' even as I am adult, year and half ago. Last year, I tell to him, well, it is not that what you done isn't bad, and it is not that I would not want you to have consequece of it; but from me, my soul, to whatever it is you are, you have my grace, because each us must live with what you done; I can live very good with me, but I could not live if I was you I think. He listen to what I say, which surprise me, and then walk away, not say nothing.

I seen him some this last few months, at events. I find out, he take care of my back surggery (he was one who injure my back near 4 years ago). The last I seen him, I was in locker area, he ask of me to see where was the surgery; then he ask me what they do to help me to heal of it, and talk of how it help, if I get mesage done, and he touch my back, rubbing it, he say make sure they massage to near the surgery to make it heal, and to have him touch me at all, just it upset me and scare me, and I just get away of him. He did not hurt me, but it scare me, and make me feel strange, that he touch me at all.

I know this do not happen just with me, what happen now. I get letter from him. In it, he say to me, what he say, that to apologize now, from him, he know it would not be meaning, it is just the words. But he wanted to tell to me that. he is sorry. He write long letter, he tell me some his life, as child. It is as many, I think, abusers, that he was abuse also, as the child. He grow up, and go to much alcohol, it is not uncommen thing in our country. he say that it is not he done that whole time of coaching (more then 35 years), that he can not expect I will believe him, but it was not he always done these things, and not in way he done them with me. He tell me some other things, and then say to me, that when I speak that to him,last year, it change him, how he want to be. He tell to me he respect me, because he know how much he damage me, how much he allow others even do more worse harm to me, and it do not ruin me. He tell to me that I am one of most good people he know of, and that still I can be strong, and maybe good to, it show to him, he want to change himself. He say after that, last year, he stop the drink, go to gropu to do that, and even, he consider to just kill hiself, he feel much guilt on what things he done to me and some other boys. He do not know what to do, he do not want to cause his family harm. But he know it, he have to 'face up us' to me and other boys he harm. He say much more, it is long and personal letter, it say maybe more that I do not want so much to know of him, but I guess he feel need to say it. It was many pages long, and to me, to read it, it feel 'real'? Like it was truth, he mean it? I do not know.

It just surprise me very much. I tell to a friend I am traveling with right now of it, because he know some my historys, and know of some things this man done. He tell to me that this man call to him last week, to try to be able to contact me, and he do not tell to him my phone number, and he did not tell to me about it because he did not want to upset me. So I think on it, and yesterday, I talk with this man on phone. I know, he send letter, he talk with another friend of mine he abuse, and I am sure he done to other persons also that he have harmed. Or, I think so.

He speak with me some more on phone, of same things, and say he was wanting to talk with me, and some other persons. I ask him why it is, and he ask me, do you want it, that I turn in myself to police. He say he want to do now, finally, what is 'right' thing. He say so long, he done wrong things, now he want to do right thing. So he ask me, and ask this other person I know, what we want him to do. I tell to him, I will not make that choice for you. You say you want to do 'right' thing, let us see you do it. You are grown man, you are not stupid, you know what is 'right'. By ask of me if I 'want' you do that, you are manipulating me. You are being coward of not making decision yourself, but to put it onto me. So if I say yes, you take yourself to police, and your life gets very bad, your family hate you, you go to prison, anything as that, you will put blame of it to me, instead of that it is your own actions that you now have consequence of. I will not let you control me into making that choice for you, you must do what you true believe is best and right.

This man. I do not know. i think there is good to him, inside. He have wife and children, and he is good to his family. All us know what damage abuse can do to us, even though most us here do not go on to abuse others like he done.

I do not have reason to believe him. But his words, in his letter, and his words and voice on phone, he sound real. I think honest, he want to make right.

I do not know I can just 'let go' so much right now. The back surgery, not so long ago, and still, there is pain and some leftover trouble from it. There is been times, the last some months, I have felt maybe I hate him. I do not know I really 'hate' anyone.

I do not know what I ask here, of all this. Maybe I should tell him, as other person did, yes, turn in yourself to police, and go to prison. But, wouldn't that require me to go against him, like court? I do not know, if he is ready to do 'right' thing, if I am ready to have my name put in this also. Him doing right thing,I should also, yes? I don't know. I do not know what to think on him, or on this whole thing. It confuse and upset me, I can not sleep, and when I do not sleep so much, I get crazy in my head. I feel sick, not happy that he apologizing, and is hard to think rightly.

I am sorry, part I do not even want to post this, because it is so much confusion. I feel much the idiot.

andrei
 
Andrei,

First of all, I think you handled this incredibly well. Most importantly, you refused to be manipulated into making the decision for him of whether he should turn himself in to the police. If what he wants is to make amends and take responsibility, let him do that himself. He isn't taking responsibility if he leaves it up to you. On the other hand, it may be important to you to see him punished. THAT decision would be yours.

The big question for you, I think, is this: What approach to this problem would really help you as a survivor now? Forget about what he needs. What do YOU need? To see him in prison? To see him in therapy? Financial assistance with physiotherapy for your injuries? Or just for him to leave you alone entirely? Visha knows of this man I think. Perhaps ask him what he thinks? What are Leosha's ideas?

I think it is relevant here to think also about the incident a year and a half ago. Even though you were an adult then, remember that your sense of boundaries had been so badly wrecked as a boy. You don't need to accept responsibility for this.

This was a very brave and honest post Andrei. I hope you are able to sort out a good way to proceed. You deserve it!

Much love,
Larry
 
Andrei

Thank you for your post! It was very very brave. Hang in there Andrei and keep talking...

Jim

PS - Thanks for listenting last night!
 
Firstly, if you have really offered him your grace then you'd rightly feel no hatred towards him, which is fine.

Also there is no need for you to carry the burden of his conscience, let him cross the bridge, when he is ready. You need to focus on your healing.

Thank you sharing this tale here, we all need to hear of such endings and beginnings.
 
(((((Androsh))))))

Mvoi Brat, I am proud of the way you have handled this situation so far, very mature, and very wise, which coming from you does not surprise me.

BY ALL MEANS TALK TO LESHKA regarding this matter of M. turning himself into the police or making some other sort of restitution. Leshka is very aware of the possible ramifications from certain actions.

You are wise in that you refused to tell him whether to turn himself in or not. Never allow him to put that decision onto you. It was his actions, it needs to be his decision.

Call me, karova. We need to talk.
 
Andrey,

you know of what I think on this. I will support you, emotionaly, anything you choose. I think you deal with this very good. It is not right, even, that he put it at you.

VN
 
andrei

i finally just read this completely
- - the other day i could not -

you do what is 'right for you' -


you are supported
here

mark
 
this man is so crazy to ask you to decide for him

he is so bad a person -

is looking for you to absolve him of his
badness -

a really big coward indeed -

good in him - ?? i think you are too generous -

mark
 
Hi Andrei, this is a most honest post.
First, keep this letter in a very safe place! It sounds like you don't want to go to the police right now, but if later you decide to change your mind, this letter will be very damaging evidence to him.

I think this man is very smart! After you talked to him, he knew that you remembered him, and might turn him in. So far he has paid for your surgery, written you a letter and talked to you on the phone. Talking about what happened to him as a kid, trying to make you feel for him as a victim. He has talked about his family, and what would happen to it if he went to jail. He then wants you to help him make a decision as to whether he should go to the police. I do believe he does not want to go to jail, that I believe. I don't believe that you should make that decision, I think that decision should be made by a judge.

I think what I would say to him is if he turns himself in, and turns state evidence on the other three people, that you will tell what he has done for you. Turning state's evidence, and your statement should give him a reduce sentence.

I also want you or someone, to ask your police, how long after the committing of the crime do you have to come forward to tell the police. It may be that you do not have much time left to make that decision, and this man is just trying to keep you in a state of confusion until after that time is past.

Just want you to know, no matter what you decide, we are behind you all the way.

Take care,
Lostcowboy
 
Andrei - is he seeking some form of forgiveness because he thinks the game is up?

If he is worrying now, then it's a problem for him. How you think of him now is only for you to decide.

You owe him nothing!

If he genuinely decides to admit his guilt and take the consequences, then that is up to him!

What he decides, should have no impact upon what you decide. I know that they are devious.

Whatever you decide Andrei, we support you!

Best wishes ..Rik
 
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