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Brokenhearted

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Well, last night my hus. and I talked some. His tears are right near the surface now. All I have to do is look at him and he starts to cry. From what we talked about and his reactions of things I said I am pretty sure he is having sexual id confusion and has been w/ males as well as females. He feels this is who he is and yet says he doesn't know what he wants.

I said a lot of things, about his little-boy underdeveloped emotional thing, I hugged him a lot, showed compassion...told him it's normal and common what he's going through. Even though he doesn't believe it. He said this all started 6 yrs ago. That just happens to be when we lost our first baby, a boy, due to some fatal defects. I saw my T today and she said it probably made him feel like a failure and he may have seen it as a punishment for the things he did because of the abuse, even for the abuse itself, that he sees his life as rewards/punishments.

She suggested that the next time he says he doesn't deserve me, I should say, "Who says you don't deserve me?" He is getting a glimpse, from me, of unconditional love.

He said several times last night, "I'm looking for something I'm never going to find." Isn't that the truth. For starters, a father - to give him affirmation. Or at least a father figure that didn't abuse him - but that's too late also.

My T suggests I approach him this way: "We are friends, right, and friends hug. What I need from you is a hug every day. At the end of the whole thing, therapy, long time, etc., we can then decide what's going to happen to us. In the meantime we will be friends and I will be your friend throughout as long as it takes for you to be sure this (other lifestyle) is what you really want." Maybe then he would stay around home a little more. He probably feels punished every time he looks at me, thinking about the cheating he's done. He feels pressure to be a husband and give me things he cannot give right now.

In addition I know that since he has never opened his heart to anyone since the abuse, except for our toddler daughter now, I now realize he has never even opened it enough to allow Jesus in either. Which would provide him strength and a moral compass. No wonder he is struggling. I have strength he does not.

Bless his heart. All I can say is I hate to see him so hurting, so hopeless feeling. I said so many things last night, like his confusion is common and natural under his circumstance but does not have to be that way. I again said he can choose. (though I know he doesn't feel he has the strength to choose right now). If it turns out, after we've tried all there is to try and learned all there is to learn, that he decides he is unequivocally gay, then that will be the deal-breaker. Either that or if he just refuses to talk to someone EVER. But we're a *long* way from that yet.

I believe we have made a lot of progress already. 4 months ago when this all started (that I was made aware of it) he was angry, closed off, blaming me for everything. Now his heart has softened to where he cries, lets me hug him, lets me talk.

I believe our toddler can help him see how fragile and vulnerable and innocent little children really are, how HE was. I believe God brought us together - him from Europe and me from Texas - for this reason. I believe all will be healed in God's timing. It is my job to take care of myself, pray about it and not worry (I once learned that worrying is a sin because it means you are not trusting God), be patient, be his friend and make sure he knows I'm his friend and that I don't expect more than that from him right now, and demonstrate the mercy, compassion and unconditional love that I have in my heart.

I know the road is long, bumpy and painful. I know it will be tough. But I am feeling very hopeful and even excited now.

I know I will post again about something or other that's bothering me. I know there will be times when he seems to be closing me out again. And I know I still need all you guys to help me get through this.

All things are possible! Not giving up.
 
i cannot imagine how painful this is for you, knowing he cheated, and likely with men. i cheated with a woman, and it destroyed my wife. we are only now finding our stride again, and sex is still kind of a struggle. he doesnt know how lucky he is to have someone willing to give him that much room to work things thru.

i have been praying for you two. for your daughter's sake, i would like to see you two become a strong,functioning couple. i really hope that it works out that way.
 
Thanks for the prayers, Phoster. Yeah, it hurts like you-know-what. And it's interesting how it's taking me, someone w/ many of my own insecurities in the dept of looks/sexiness, whatever, someone who has worked overtime on those things all her life, and now I'm w/ someone who has cheated on me and it exacerbates my own insecurities in those areas - it seems so unfair/mismatched. But I'm amazed at how strong I am after all, and I know it's not all my own strength, because if it were just mine ,I would probably easily be eaten up by the cheating alone because I've always been so fragile in those areas. So I know I'm not handling this BY MYSELF if you know what I mean!

Hope it works out too. I believe in God's will. Maybe it's His will that our marriage end and our daughter is from a broken home and my hus. goes on w/ his detached, lonely lifestyle. But I feel that more likely it is His will that the marriage He put together succeeds, that we met each other halfway across the world to help each other through this. But I'm only human and have only my short-sightedness from down here.
 
one thing i learned is where there is freewill, God will only go so far. it is His will that marriage is forever, and that couples take care of each other and cherish one another. unfortunately, man's will doesnt always match up to that. God may work on your husband's heart, but if your husband choses to totally harden his heart, there is only so much God can do. He wont force someone to love.

what God does give us believers is hope and strength. even if something bad comes, we know we will be all right. if one path goes wrong because someone's freewill makes it bad, then another door will open. He promised us that.

You hang in there, and dont let your love for your husband keep you from taking care of yourself. if he continues to cheet and will not change, you think of what is right, and you stick to your guns. you take care of yourself and that little girl.
 
You are right. I couldn't agree more. And I know that in the long run if we're not to be, I can take care of myself and my little girl somehow. I've got a great support system of friends too. My husband knows the cost. He knows how high it is.
 
Brokenhearted, you are SO strong. You're husband is definately a very lucky man to have someone as centered as you. I wish I'd more like that. The whole issue of my bf thinking he might be gay has plagued me terribly. And I find all the emotional distancing stuff/constant rejection unbearable to live with. I'm thinking of you and hoping your husband will choose to help himself. I reckon he will...

peace,
Beccy
 
Brokenhearted,

Smiles for today. You are strong, incredibly so. I hope he sees that for strength you can share with him to pull through.

ROCK ON.......Trish
 
Brokenhearted--
Your story is so familiar. It's like you're telling my ex-wife's story. EXCEPT you are choosing to STAY and work. If I'm being honest, I have to say I'm jealous of your husband. He is a lucky man to have you in his life!!

But, it is good for me to hear the things you say. I hear your pain and it stabs at my heart for what my wife must have gone through. When you said your husband doesn't feel he deserves you. It is a true emotion. Even while fighting to keep my wife, I never felt I deserved her...or any of the good things in my life. My kids are probably the only thing that I've let into my heart...and even still, I can't believe that God gave them to me because I don't deserve good things because of the bad inside me.

I don't want to hijack your thread. I just wanted to let you know that I think you're an AMAZING woman for what you're doing. I pray for your success.

God Bless You.
tx_space
 
Dear Brokenhearted,
You are indeed fortunate to have your strong faith. I feel inspired myself by your fortitude and perseverance.
Our paths seem rather similar in some respects right now. I will keep you and your family in my prayers too.
Honey Girl
 
It's so sad that the "bad inside" really does not belong there. I see my husband and you guys as you truly are, without the bad! I really hope one day that you can all see yourselves that way too. You've got to give yourselves a break. I'm not a saint but I've learned to forgive myself as we're all only human or were children once or whatever. I don't know where I'd be if I hadn't found you guys. If I didn't understand this stuff it would be SO MUCH HARDER.
 
Brokenhearted,

It's me Ginny. My husband and I have made an appt. to speak with a divorce attorney. The appt. is in two weeks on 10/26/2006. He keeps telling me he thinks about how much he is hurting me everyday. He says I don't know who he is. I recently found out from our adult son, who shares time with both of us, that he is staying out all nite on the weekends. He gets calls on his cell phone and goes outside the apt. to talk. So I know he is still having affairs/cheating/sex etc. At this point I would not doubt that it might also involve men. And it does hurt lie H**L!!!! But I know it all stems from the CSA and he has to hit his rock bottom!! I am trusting in GOD everyday of my life. I know HE will see me through. I do love and care for my husband but HE is at a very difficult time in his life right now. I am afraid for him!! I do not want anything bad to happen to him; but I feel like he is walking on thin ice. I told him the other day that he needed to be patient with me and that one day I would be out of his life. He got angry!?!?! and said that was not a fair statement...I told him "Isn't this what you wanted?" So sometimes I get very confused by his statements and his actions. I know that God loves him and one day I hope he will realize that. As for my I am trying to get on with my life as best as I can. I work, go the the gym, spend time with my family and go to church. I guess you could say I am kinda a fuddy duddy...lol:) I am usually home and in bed by 9:30pm. So Bronhearted you hang in there K??? It will get better one day.

Ginny
 
Oh, Ginny, I am sorry to hear this. Tell me, does your husband act happy in general, and maybe this life on the side is "working" for him at present? My own husband is not happy in general and is starting to grow tired and knows it is not fulfilling to run around, but he is just in that place where he doesn't know why.

I don't know how long your husband has led his double life, but mine said he's been leading one for 6 YEARS. Ouch, but maybe it has to be a long time of it till they realize it's not fulfilling. ??? I don't know. I am personally glad that it has gone on for a long time because if it were new, it might just be exciting and he might feel it holds promise for him. Now it is getting old and sad.

4 months ago he said he just wanted to be alone and do his own thing. Now, when I ask if he wants our daughter and me to move out and leave and go somewhere else entirely, he says he doesn't want that, but that he doesn't know what he wants. He said he doesn't know what he wants shortly after I informed him that any sexual id confusion he may be going through is normal and common and is caused from the abuse, and does not mean he's gay. So he's clearly confused and his thinking is distorted.

If your husband were in his "right mind" which is impossible right now since he's not recovered from his csa, then I would bet money he would most likely not want to lose his marriage. Unless there are other big problems or something.??? We have had a good marriage otherwise.

Since I know my husband's thinking is distorted I cannot afford to always take what he says literally. It hurts when he says he does not feel anything for me, but I don't allow myself to take it as truth because of his distorted thinking - plus I'm trying to reason with a "child" basically. I continue to hang on to him and assure him I'm here even if he doesn't want me to be, in a way. It is a delicate dance. To me, that's what real love is, you love them even though they're mad at you or whatever. I know he has no idea what real love is, so I have to be the one to demonstrate it.

It sounds like you have a good support system and a life despite the problems with your husband, so that is a good thing. Maybe his rock bottom is not here yet. Maybe it will take losing you for now and maybe y'all can gain each other back later on.

Please keep us posted.
 
Ginny,

I am so sorry things are moving in this direction, but it seems you are keeping a healthy perspective on the whole problem. I see you are trying to take care of yourself, and that's very important. Your husband has to find his own way to the decision in favor of recovery; you have clearly done all you possibly can. Now it's up to him.

You comment that God loves him, and sure, that's true. But God loves Ginny too, girl! Think about that and follow what your heart tells you you need to do. Whichever way it goes I am sure you will have made the right choice.

Much love,
Larry
 
Brokenhearted,

No I don't think he is happy at all. He tells me he is an unhappy person. When I found about about 2 affairs in May I asked him if he loved either one of these women. And if he did he could just tell me and we would end our marriage. He said NO. He did not love them. He could have the affairs because there was no committment. I beleive him about that.

I think he has been leading this double life ALL his life. He made a statement that I have no idea how many women he has been with during our marriage. He also makes statements like "You don't know who I am; who don't know me at all". I agree with you about them not knowing waht real love is. And I like you do love him unconditionally but sometimes it hurts so bad. The things he says and does. I will keep posting here.
Ginny
 
Larry,

I know you and I have talked before. And yes I realize that my husband has to make his own decision about recovery. I have been going to counseling since May and I have learned that he has made some bad choices in his life and HE, NOT Ginny, has to own up to them. All the hurt, anger, fear and pain that he is feeling is HIS not mine. I can walk with him and be his friend, but I can not do the recovery for him. You know what is interesting??? His does not wear his wedding band anymore, but on occassion I will stop by his appt. to drop off paperwork. And his wedding band is sitting on his dresser. Why would he keep it??? Wouldn't he get rid of it if he knew the marriage was over??? Just a thought. I know GOD loves me too!! I received a call from a friend today. They played that song "I will survive!" and they told me to keep strong and not to crumble...So I know with GOD on my side I WILL SURVIVE!!! Talk to you later Larry.

Ginny
 
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