Toxic Relationships?

Toxic Relationships?

JAAY

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I have been allowing myself to emotionally process my abuse which is pretty depressing. I have noticed that over the last few weeks instead of blaming myself for failed friendships I have come to realize that some of them were not good for my self esteem. At the time I was not able to voice why the friendship was not working fo me. Conflicts were very hard for me.

I am wondering if I have still view friendships the way I did as a boy? I keep on asking myself what are normal adult friendships? Any ideas? Thanks!
 
JAAY, I don't think there are normal friendships. We say normal, but that's a relativistic term. What is quite normal to one can be abnormal to another. I'm not saying individual relativism is the correct way of seeing things, but neither is adopting the majority viewpoint. A lot of people have what we call friends and because I don't share that characteristic with them I'm supposed to be strange and different? I don't think so.

The problem is we don't know what is being meant by the word friends or even by normal so we may be talking about totally different things. Friends to one person can be someone who simply listens and is always there to comfort when they need it. To another, friends can be the people we spend our free time with. Clarification is sometimes required yet most people don't even bother to think about those type of things. They just haphazardly assume they know what is being said.

I guess I'm not entirely sure what normal friendships are. I have pushed most if not all people out of my life and for as long as I can remember, I've never desired to be physically around non-family. Most of what I consider to be friends are online anyway.

I can get along with others for a while but then it's like they know too much or I feel they aren't being sincere. I get paranoid so I withdraw and then I let them go without even saying as much as a good-bye. This is one reason why I've been diagnosed schizotypal. The other reasons are for what are considered to be odd and eccentric ways of thinking. For example, I use to consider myself to be pagan, then Christian, then atheist, then freethinker, then agnostic, then Gnostic, now I don't consider myself anything at all because in a way I am all those. (reminds me of the Hegelian dialectic) How many normal people do that? I don't try even making sense of it anymore. Like the burning bush said to Moses: I am that I am.

Jesse
 
I often wondered why people didnt value my friendship as much as I valued theirs.

I still do.

BUT I learned to live without fairweather friends, I would rather have 5 solid friends than 50 shallow ones.
 
Jaay,

I think a child sees his friendships in a very self-centered way. I don't mean that in a negative sense, it's just that a child views the world as revolving around his own needs. So when a friend fails him in some way, he sees this as a betrayal and reacts accordingly.

Adults, however, have the ability to see things in a more balanced way, differentiate between close friends and "acquaintances", and understand that even close friends are human and can err like everyone else.

For a survivor this gets complicated I think. We accept friendships that might not be good for us, because we feel so inadequate and worthless that we figure that this is all we deserve, or all we will ever get. Or we may no longer care about the negative consequences.

I think we need to be very realistic with ourselves about letting people into our inner world of hurts and feelings. We need to look seriously and ask ouselves if this person is really a good friend, or am I just in such need of approval right now that I will take whatever I can get. The consequences of heading down the latter road will always be pretty bad, I think.

Much love,
Larry
 
Larry,

Thanks for your post. It reflects what I have concluded about the good friends I have in my life. I guess I am luckly as I can name 8 or 9 people that love and support me. They provide have been able to listen to me and support me.

All the best,
Jaay
 
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