Stop the Perps NOW--Young people, prosecute!
Soccer Kid
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Zipser,
This wouldn't be considered a "correction" but an addendum. The limitations that I posted were not civil, they were criminal.
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This wouldn't be considered a "correction" but an addendum. The limitations that I posted were not civil, they were criminal.
Cos all this stuff is really touchy to me now it took me awhile to figure out what I think & what to say.
First thanks Jasper for startin this cos its important & I can see like u suddenly got stuck in the middle & I think you really did a good job posting & stuff. I like u a lot & im sorry about what Don posted cos that's not how I see it. But I guess I do want to ask the grownups who are all psyched up about kids prosecuting to look at it from our side. How come its us teens now who get to be in charge of saving all the future kids from perps? I know for the grownups its like, okay, yr perps are dead or old or lost somewhere & stuff. But everybody here was a teen sometime yeah? & everybody has a reason why they didnt do anything or couldnt do anything. Like look at Jasper & Puppy. I read what they say & I think yeah course they couldnt do it. So if one of us teens now says we have reasons too, the reasons are probably gonna be a lot the same. So how come the reasons arent any good any more? Like Leosha says, if yr gonna do something like this you have to have a safe place to start from. If you dont got that, forget it. Just cos theres a website like this & books & stuff doesnt make it easy & doesn't mean we have that safe place to start from.
Want to know a big reason why kids arent gonna come forward now? Two words: Gavin Arvizo. Every hurt kid in the country was watchin that, & not to see that sick freak Michael Jackson in court but to see what happens to Gavin Arvizo. He coulda been the brave kid who put away a perv celeb, but cos the case got messed up now hes the worlds most famous liar but never mind, all his friends know he got played around with by Michael Jackson & theres all the sick jokes like how much money did he get per inch & stuff like that. Its exactly like Puppy says: no matter what happens the hurt kid loses. It will be the same with me. I live in a little place where everybody knows everybody. No matter what happens, in a few days i wont be "Kevin" any more I will be "fucked Kevin".
Some people here talk as if going to the police is just an easy thing. They say they know it isnt easy but how would they know – they didnt do it. I was scared a lot cos i already had bad experiences with cops when I was younger. & until like May this year there were some days i couldnt even leave the house or even my room or I would start trembling & crying halfway to school & just ditch. I had to go to summer school not cos i failed stuff, but because i missed too many days from running away or hiding in the woods or sneaking back to my room. I just couldnt look at normal kids & hate myself all day for being so screwed up & wonder will it ever stop. If I cant go to English class, which I love, how am I gonna go to court & say yeah him, he did this & this & this - & then wait to be the new Gavin Arvizo.
The only reason this changed was the Leosha thing. I got 100% support from my family & my big brothers & the mods here. I changed a LOT. I found my old survivor story that I never posted cos I was so scared, & its like weird, cos that Kevin isnt me anymore. But still, if it was just about me I dont think I would be doin this. My abuser is my best friends dad & now hes hurting him so its not just about me. I talked with Nathan all night before I did this, & when I went to the station with my Dad I was so scared I could hardly stand. Im scared my friend will hate me & think its my fault if his dad goes to jail. Im scared it wont work & he will go free & everybody will say Im a liar & then will this guy hunt me. Im scared to go to school in September cos of all the snickering & giggling.
Nobody can tell me I got some "duty" to report. Im doing it for me & Im helping my best friend cos hes getting hurt by his own dad & that sux. When I see somebody telling me about my duty I just think sit down & stop trying to jam up teenagers here & worry about yr own duty. My duty is to take out the trash & paint the house & stop arguing with my brothers, not get in the face of a sick criminal who hit me & choked me & threatened to pop my eyes & messed with me for 4 years & then r- me when I was 12.
My abuser told me nobody would believe me if I told & I would be a dirty liar. Guess what? I told & it was the truth & they believed me & yr dead meat when you go to jail. Its not just you against me alone crying in the dark & scared, its you against me & my Dad & my big brothers & the cops & the judge & all the state. I didn't know you were just a creeped out coward but now I do & im not scared of you any more.
Kev
First thanks Jasper for startin this cos its important & I can see like u suddenly got stuck in the middle & I think you really did a good job posting & stuff. I like u a lot & im sorry about what Don posted cos that's not how I see it. But I guess I do want to ask the grownups who are all psyched up about kids prosecuting to look at it from our side. How come its us teens now who get to be in charge of saving all the future kids from perps? I know for the grownups its like, okay, yr perps are dead or old or lost somewhere & stuff. But everybody here was a teen sometime yeah? & everybody has a reason why they didnt do anything or couldnt do anything. Like look at Jasper & Puppy. I read what they say & I think yeah course they couldnt do it. So if one of us teens now says we have reasons too, the reasons are probably gonna be a lot the same. So how come the reasons arent any good any more? Like Leosha says, if yr gonna do something like this you have to have a safe place to start from. If you dont got that, forget it. Just cos theres a website like this & books & stuff doesnt make it easy & doesn't mean we have that safe place to start from.
Want to know a big reason why kids arent gonna come forward now? Two words: Gavin Arvizo. Every hurt kid in the country was watchin that, & not to see that sick freak Michael Jackson in court but to see what happens to Gavin Arvizo. He coulda been the brave kid who put away a perv celeb, but cos the case got messed up now hes the worlds most famous liar but never mind, all his friends know he got played around with by Michael Jackson & theres all the sick jokes like how much money did he get per inch & stuff like that. Its exactly like Puppy says: no matter what happens the hurt kid loses. It will be the same with me. I live in a little place where everybody knows everybody. No matter what happens, in a few days i wont be "Kevin" any more I will be "fucked Kevin".
Some people here talk as if going to the police is just an easy thing. They say they know it isnt easy but how would they know – they didnt do it. I was scared a lot cos i already had bad experiences with cops when I was younger. & until like May this year there were some days i couldnt even leave the house or even my room or I would start trembling & crying halfway to school & just ditch. I had to go to summer school not cos i failed stuff, but because i missed too many days from running away or hiding in the woods or sneaking back to my room. I just couldnt look at normal kids & hate myself all day for being so screwed up & wonder will it ever stop. If I cant go to English class, which I love, how am I gonna go to court & say yeah him, he did this & this & this - & then wait to be the new Gavin Arvizo.
The only reason this changed was the Leosha thing. I got 100% support from my family & my big brothers & the mods here. I changed a LOT. I found my old survivor story that I never posted cos I was so scared, & its like weird, cos that Kevin isnt me anymore. But still, if it was just about me I dont think I would be doin this. My abuser is my best friends dad & now hes hurting him so its not just about me. I talked with Nathan all night before I did this, & when I went to the station with my Dad I was so scared I could hardly stand. Im scared my friend will hate me & think its my fault if his dad goes to jail. Im scared it wont work & he will go free & everybody will say Im a liar & then will this guy hunt me. Im scared to go to school in September cos of all the snickering & giggling.
Nobody can tell me I got some "duty" to report. Im doing it for me & Im helping my best friend cos hes getting hurt by his own dad & that sux. When I see somebody telling me about my duty I just think sit down & stop trying to jam up teenagers here & worry about yr own duty. My duty is to take out the trash & paint the house & stop arguing with my brothers, not get in the face of a sick criminal who hit me & choked me & threatened to pop my eyes & messed with me for 4 years & then r- me when I was 12.
My abuser told me nobody would believe me if I told & I would be a dirty liar. Guess what? I told & it was the truth & they believed me & yr dead meat when you go to jail. Its not just you against me alone crying in the dark & scared, its you against me & my Dad & my big brothers & the cops & the judge & all the state. I didn't know you were just a creeped out coward but now I do & im not scared of you any more.
Kev
Soccer Kid
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Don,
I have done just about everything you listed in your post. In addition to that I have started my OWN organization that is very similar to MS and is starting to become a success in a very short period of time.
I have done just about everything you listed in your post. In addition to that I have started my OWN organization that is very similar to MS and is starting to become a success in a very short period of time.
reality2k4
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This is a lousy issue, it is such a personal issue to anyone involved in this stuff.
Please do not turn it into personal argument or hurt for others.
When these threads get so long, it is easy to get lost in the main part of the post, because we all have differing ideas.
I think that we need to think that, anyone who is young here, and is seeking litigation in the courts has had the strength to do it.
It is massive step for a young guy to take, there are so many issued involved, and a whole load of spinoff issues, it can be hard.
It can be like, OK I did it, I feel good, then I feel real bad, because of the effect it has on others, then why did I do it? Because of all the crap he goes through.
He may think, OH, I am just getting my own back, and he may think, I am destroying other lives related to this event.
His mind goes one way, maybe through his family pushing him, but he does take the mental anguish of it all.
It is a catch 22, you either tell or you dont, that is totally up to the individual, and the individual will tell to protect others from this hurt.
Please do not turn it into an argument,
ste
Please do not turn it into personal argument or hurt for others.
When these threads get so long, it is easy to get lost in the main part of the post, because we all have differing ideas.
I think that we need to think that, anyone who is young here, and is seeking litigation in the courts has had the strength to do it.
It is massive step for a young guy to take, there are so many issued involved, and a whole load of spinoff issues, it can be hard.
It can be like, OK I did it, I feel good, then I feel real bad, because of the effect it has on others, then why did I do it? Because of all the crap he goes through.
He may think, OH, I am just getting my own back, and he may think, I am destroying other lives related to this event.
His mind goes one way, maybe through his family pushing him, but he does take the mental anguish of it all.
It is a catch 22, you either tell or you dont, that is totally up to the individual, and the individual will tell to protect others from this hurt.
Please do not turn it into an argument,
ste
Soccer Kid
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Glaukos,
I do see it from your side. I'm not much older than you are. Believe me I know the concept is scary, but you are doing it and that is awesome, but not going to be easy.
Another important thing to remember is that you can't criticize other people's actions just like we aren't criticizing yours or anyone else's. Jasper simply made a suggestion and was giving his suggestion to the younger crowd. Because X didn't report something doesn't mean he didn't want to, it doesn't mean that he even could have! Sometimes filing charges isn't easy, sometimes the prosecutor won't accept the case, sometimes the police report got lost, sometimes the perp moved away, sometimes he died, sometimes you moved away et cetera... there could be ANY number of reasons why Jasper didn't report his abuser or take him to court, there could be any number of reasons anyone here didn't including you and others. I didn't report my abuse because I didn't know it was abuse. Now I do, and I'm going to report it. I have already started the wheels. One of my perpetrators has already been convicted once...if I get a shot at him, I'm sure he will be again.
Kevin, you look at things in such a dark light. You are worried about your friends, about how the public feels...worried about being called a liar. Well, even if you lose your case or you lose your friends; you need to now look at it from our point of view now...do you think that whoever you prosecute will be trusted to be a babysitter anymore? Even if you lose? Do you think he will ever be able to not have a watchful eye on him? I bet he won't. I'm sure he will be watched like a hawk. That's a good thing.
I'll be reading your local newspaper kevin to see if anything shows up and checking the TV stations near you to see if they say anything. You never know, no one may ever say a word. You might have nothing to worry about.
Good luck mate. It takes a lot of courage to do what you are doing.
I do see it from your side. I'm not much older than you are. Believe me I know the concept is scary, but you are doing it and that is awesome, but not going to be easy.
Another important thing to remember is that you can't criticize other people's actions just like we aren't criticizing yours or anyone else's. Jasper simply made a suggestion and was giving his suggestion to the younger crowd. Because X didn't report something doesn't mean he didn't want to, it doesn't mean that he even could have! Sometimes filing charges isn't easy, sometimes the prosecutor won't accept the case, sometimes the police report got lost, sometimes the perp moved away, sometimes he died, sometimes you moved away et cetera... there could be ANY number of reasons why Jasper didn't report his abuser or take him to court, there could be any number of reasons anyone here didn't including you and others. I didn't report my abuse because I didn't know it was abuse. Now I do, and I'm going to report it. I have already started the wheels. One of my perpetrators has already been convicted once...if I get a shot at him, I'm sure he will be again.
Kevin, you look at things in such a dark light. You are worried about your friends, about how the public feels...worried about being called a liar. Well, even if you lose your case or you lose your friends; you need to now look at it from our point of view now...do you think that whoever you prosecute will be trusted to be a babysitter anymore? Even if you lose? Do you think he will ever be able to not have a watchful eye on him? I bet he won't. I'm sure he will be watched like a hawk. That's a good thing.
I'll be reading your local newspaper kevin to see if anything shows up and checking the TV stations near you to see if they say anything. You never know, no one may ever say a word. You might have nothing to worry about.
Good luck mate. It takes a lot of courage to do what you are doing.
Soccer Kid
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Zipser,
Yes.
J.D. is an abbreviation for attorney.
Yes.
J.D. is an abbreviation for attorney.
Jasper,
I was not mocking you. I was using your initial post as a starting point to have you and everyone else consider the other side of this issue.
I am sorry you have taken my words the way you did. I do not say you took them the wrong way. You took them as you took them, and I regret if they hurt you in any way. That was never my intention.
From reading all your posts, I felt that you were in a place emotionally and psychologically where you would see what I was getting at; namely that it isn't about what the young can or should do, OR what the adults can or should do, but about what all of us can or should do WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO.
When I said, "We have met the enemy, and he is us.", that was not directed to you, that was a recognition that all of us have a responsibility. Not just in regards to Sexual Abuse, but to so many issues that plague our world. Where does one begin? Hopefully with an evil that has directly touched our own lives.
We are contemporaries, so I feel certain you will remember another slogan. "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." Not just you Jasper. This goes to the man in the mirror too.
For the record, I am 52 years old, so this is not an issue of ageism, or us against them, or anything that would divide us.
Also for the record; Yes, I do disagree with your initial proposition. I think it is unfair and wrong to even suggest that young people have a responsibility to protect other young people. That is something that adults and societies must do, not young people, not children.
I hope that you do not leave becasue of this, but that is your decision. I will delete my post if you wish.
Donald
I was not mocking you. I was using your initial post as a starting point to have you and everyone else consider the other side of this issue.
I am sorry you have taken my words the way you did. I do not say you took them the wrong way. You took them as you took them, and I regret if they hurt you in any way. That was never my intention.
From reading all your posts, I felt that you were in a place emotionally and psychologically where you would see what I was getting at; namely that it isn't about what the young can or should do, OR what the adults can or should do, but about what all of us can or should do WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO.
When I said, "We have met the enemy, and he is us.", that was not directed to you, that was a recognition that all of us have a responsibility. Not just in regards to Sexual Abuse, but to so many issues that plague our world. Where does one begin? Hopefully with an evil that has directly touched our own lives.
We are contemporaries, so I feel certain you will remember another slogan. "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." Not just you Jasper. This goes to the man in the mirror too.
For the record, I am 52 years old, so this is not an issue of ageism, or us against them, or anything that would divide us.
Also for the record; Yes, I do disagree with your initial proposition. I think it is unfair and wrong to even suggest that young people have a responsibility to protect other young people. That is something that adults and societies must do, not young people, not children.
I hope that you do not leave becasue of this, but that is your decision. I will delete my post if you wish.
Donald
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