Scout Victims

Scout Victims

manipulated

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Anyone aware of any organizations for survivors of Boy Scout abuse? The perversion filed are as extensive and organizationally as conspiratorial as religious organizations and I have found many many brothers here but woke this morning wondering about such a group.
 
i have never heard of any such groups. it is a good idea.

would you like to get it rolling? ;)
 
If your interested in starting a group; I would be game, but unfortunately I am not stable enough to do much more than support you. It's something I have thought about a lot.

I have always wanted to make a movie about the abuse. I always thought of an opening scene were Baden Powell is either writing the letter to his child porn producing friend (we have actual letter) or talking on the phone with him.... And it goes into one of those stories that jumps from one decade to the next, telling the first chapter of each story before moving the second chapter. I have always seen older abuse stories in black and white, then technicolor, With the quality of film improving as the stories are newer, so people can keep the stories strait. We could make a film.

A group could mean a lot of legal resources. We could get attorneys to pertisapate in creating a legal prep for other attorneys to use. The BSA gives attorneys a prep course for fighting kids, and staying "loyal" to their bank accounts and insurance companies. Why should abuse victims not get the same resources. We could try to get attorneys to do it for free, then put names of contributors on a list to refer abuse victims to. Not just scout abuse victims either.

A group could mean that we could raise funds to lobby ourselfs to increase victims rights. It would be appropriate that such a group would be led by victims of the largest abuse group out there. The perps and their enablers hold all the cards, they are grouped against us, why should we not group against them?

The article I recently posted says that BSA's financial situation rely's greatly on the outcome of the legal battles. the way to end the BSA is to shift the outcome, and create a wave of new lawsuits. As a group we could garner the publicity and funding to do that.

Call it #MeTooScouting ?

Thoughts?
 
Learning 2 - yes it would recognize and support the victims of scouting- the bullied, the battered, the abused sexually, physically and emotionally, the ridiculed for sexual preference, the ridiculed for belief system or refusal to accept the same.

Traveler, I have a history of jousting at windmills but I am also growing tired of pushing alone.

Napoleon your post is creative and positive - much stronger than you believe. I love #MeTooScouting and would and #MeTooScout how do we go further? Is it only 4 out of all that are here?
 
manipulated said:
the bullied, the battered, the abused sexually, physically and emotionally, the ridiculed for sexual preference, the ridiculed for belief system or refusal to accept the same.
Don't forget victims of SEXISM. Like the nurse who was told to clean up the crime scene before investigators got there, of that kid who was decapitated; but was only reported as getting ran over by a car.

manipulated said:
Is it only 4 out of all that are here?

Excellent question. What is surprising is that you can find so many scout victims in one place, but then there are legions of us. What happens when we start recruiting elsewhere?
 
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4?
 
I am sure pufferfish will join in some way; he is a scout victim and was once an admin here. There is also an admin that retired some time ago that is scout abuse victim may join at some point. Manipulated has been on this board for 4 years and I didn't even realize another scout victim had joined tell this spring; there may be more.

I always thought there were 3,000 pedophile BSA scouters; but it turns out that there are 5,000 known pedophile BSA scouters, and that doesn't include the unknown number of records that BSA destroyed in the early 90's when they figured they wouldn't be able to keep the records secrete anymore. How many got settlements but can't talk about their case due to gag agreements too? Seeing as some of these pedophiles had hundreds of victims it really shouldn't be hard to get something going. The only hard part will be getting it started once that happens the "warren buffet snowball effect" will occur.


So there are 4 main things we need to do.

1. Create a web site. I will talk to my brother he is a web developer about this. He may even host it for free, so we could have site for about 10$, not sure he will support it though. The site would have a registration process that links users to cases, if cases are unknown it would allow cases to be submitted and added. The site should be a resource and a gathering place as well as

2. Create social media presence. Pretty basic create accounts on FaceBook, twitter etc. then get people to like or add them...

3. Raise money. Basically create a kick-starter and sell our movie. People would recieve a copy of the movie as the reward. - The movie would have scene's from baden powels life. Both with him subjecting his ensine "boy friend" who worked under him in the army, nicknamed the "boy" for his boyish looks the relationship was well exposed, he kept a picture on his desk. And throwing a fit when they started requiring bathing suits at the local swimming pool... learning of the first abuse case involving a doctor he knew and having no emotioanl responce to it... etc.. All in old black and white with film grain to make it look like an old movie.
- A newer chapter how common abuse was in scouting. in black and white with static effects showing and looking like black and white tv
- my story starting with 2 kids getting struck by lightning at the camp where I staffed while my younger brother worked there. And me having flash backs to when I worked there and parents trying to get it shut down due to lightning stafty but scouting refusing. And ending after all complaints them calling the kid who came forward a lier. This would be filmed in low quality Color, with VHS tracking errors and effects in it.
- A newer story, in high quaity HD film.

--- Each would have the same elements, the hiding of the abuse, the discreditation, the cover ups, and of course the retaliation we each faced from coming forward. By doing multiple stories we could then each be shilded from the force of those who go truely public. I don't konw if you ahve seen it, but basicly the responce is not just the basic "your liars"
--- Each would remain exactly true to the facts. Instead of saying this "based on a true story" to shield yourself from lawsuits from BSA would use "this is a true store, created to facts as true as possible" And literally invite BSA us, as this would allow us to sue them for slander as it is they who are slandering us when the call us liers, and in some cases, them filing as suit may even renew our statute of limitations to sue them for the abuse. In-fact if BSA sues us they would add publicity, and it;s not like we are going to stop selling our movie just because the kick-starter ends.

4- we need to start contacting attorneys. This would begin with calling attorneys who already have, or have had legal battles with the BSA asking them for support, but only after first selling them on the BENIFITS of sharing legal strategies and evidence with out of state attorneys. These legal battles are basically the same and by belonging they would not just get referrals to cases that require less work because the are already working on similar, but devide the case load and get many different strategies; access to experts to testify and such.

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AS you may be able to tell I have been dreaming about doing this for literally years. I think the timing is right now, and wasn't when I started dreaming about this 5 years ago. I don't know that I am ready for this, but the timing is right, this would have the most impact NOW. The old saying goes that the pen is mightier than the sword, but the new pen is the keyboard, so the ""keyboard is mightier than the sword"" is probably more up to date.

We also need to think about a name, the "MeToo" is loosing momentum but use of this name would be great to get and have some "feet in", or users and visibility to get started. However we do not have control or really even any established creds with MeToo, and without their support we would be dead in the water if we use this name.
 
I am a Scout victim from the UK, there were other perps afterwards but this is where it started. I am not stable enough to help other than to send my thoughts and prayers to you all.
 
I am a Scouting Victim...... Assistant Scout Master/police officer..for years! Numerous events with older scouts. Camping weekends were like sex parties!
 
TeeJayUU said:
I am a Scouting Victim.Camping weekends were like sex parties!

Sounds like our troop and my experience. Only the assistant scoutmaster was also an elder in the sponsoring church and served me communion on Sunday after such campouts Friday night to early Sunday-always broke camp early to make the service on Sunday. Such a community minded leader.
 
i was a casualty of the scout organization too. the adult leaders in our troop were generally missing most of the time - having their own drinking parties. it was a few of the older scouts who did the abuse. there were only a few of us younger, weaker and smaller boys who were the targets that i knew of. i couldn't help but wonder who had started it.

and the perversion files that were released did not cover the time and place that i was a member as far as i could tell. so i did not learn anything specific from them.

Lee
 
traveler said:
and the perversion files that were released did not cover the time and place that i was a member as far as i could tell. so i did not learn anything specific from them.

The perversion files were purged at least once, I have seen reference to "the purge" with two different specific times, reasons, and what was purged; leading me to believe it was purged twice. It was purged in the late 70's of old files, deceased leaders and such. It was purged in the late 80's they saw they may end up being released, so they purged in preparation.

Additionally many leaders were put on probation, and these incidents never made it into the file. And since the files were secret many abusers never ended up there even to begin with.

With this in mind now consider there were nearly 2000 sexual abusers in the files just in the 20 years proceeding me... that's a sanduski every 3 days. And all they had in place to protect us was policies that they knew were not even being in force. They really do have a lot to answer for.

traveler said:
it was a few of the older scouts who did the abuse. there were only a few of us younger, weaker and smaller boys who were the targets that i knew of.

Now days, adults are not even allowed in the youth sleeping areas. It's a recipe for disaster and much more of the abuse like you had traveler.


---- Wonder where pufferfish is, he said that one of his goals on this board was to meet another scout abuse victim, looks like there are more than a few here.
 
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