Rough time

Rough time

markw

Registrant
Been having a rough time of it as of late. Rough is an understatement. Coming to this site has really helped me understand a few things. The guys in the chat are great. It is hard to let your guard down, and be open. Not very good at doing that. Told my boss. He is like a father to me. Has always been there for me, no matter what the need is. My own father does not like me. I have no relationship with him, never have. He once told me that I should have been the girl, and my sister the boy. That has never left me, think about it a lot. I love him and hate him all at the same time. Confused and conflicted, that is me. It is funny in a way, I have spent so many years building walls to keep all of this contained, and now without warning the are coming down, and I am unable to rebuild it fast enough. It is not fair, nor is it welcomed. I am just unable to understand it all. The why, the question that can never be answered. That is what is hard, the not knowing and it is so sad. Nothing can be as hellish as this. These feelings and emotions are very hard to deal with, live with. Hard to keep it under control. I think I need a vacation from myself.

MarkW
 
Hi Mark,

Man, I can relate to so much of what you said, especially about your father. Like you, I really have no relationship with my father. At Christmas dinner, we didn't say two words to each other. I was the third child and he wanted a girl, so I was a disappointment from day 1 and I've lived it every day since. I love him out of a sense of familial obligation, but that's it. If he were to die tomorrow, I wouldn't be able to cry over it.

Your words about building walls around all this stuff is a very apt description, since I think many of us contained this toxic stuff down deep, but when it finally bursts the dam, it's hell.

Take it easy and slow with this, and when it becomes overwhelming, just come here to MS and rant and rage about it. It really does help. It's a good release.
 
MarkW.
You said
I have spent so many years building walls to keep all of this contained, and now without warning the are coming down, and I am unable to rebuild it fast enough. It is not fair, nor is it welcomed.
You do not realize it now but the walls coming down is an acknowledgment that this way of coping with hurts of the past really does not do any of us any good. Building those walls, which we all have done, are there to protect us but they also tend to imprison us too. They tend to keep us from enjoying the human contact that we as a species are so much in need of.

If I can put it simply you father was a prize asshole. A good and decent father would never have said that to a son no matter what the provocation. Mark you have opened up to us and told us what is deep inside you and hurts and that is a really big step. With the telling the pain lessens somewhat. Many of us here have or had fathers that were simply that because of biology. To be a real father means caring, nuturing, being a role model and a friend. Someone who can pick us up when we stumble and guide as forward without critisism.

The thing to realize is that you are not alone in your feelings.

Let the walls down and start to live life like you were supposed to. We all must do that and sooner better than later.

Sure it is scary because it is unknown territory. Everyone is afraid of the unknown.
 
I know what you mean. Rough is, I agree, an understatement. Words go only so far in describing feelings after which point they are entirely inadequate.

This is a bid long for a reply but you got me to thinking.

My mother told me, more than once, that she was expecting a girl and was disappointed that she didnt get one. She had a girls name picked out but did not have a boys name in mind. Talk about not feeling welcome in my own family.

As it turned out, it was the kind of family no emotionally healthy person would want to be a part of anyway. I just got stuck there.

The way I understand it is this. Abuse requires, in order to continue, that people be separated emotionally. It cant continue if people start providing mutual support. You might expect that a family member, if not actually a perp, might be there to help and protect if he/she is an older sibling or, especially, a parent. With abuse, natural expectations are denied and never met.

As I know it now, it was a coping strategy to close in and put up emotional walls to protect myself. That took the form of everything from what looked like sullen shyness to full blown disassociationwhatever was necessary at time.

Now, the transition between having no real choice about being isolated and learning to define emotional boundaries has been scary in a new way. It is only by small degrees that I have begun to see that I dont have to have the same walls around me outside of the abusive world as I did within it. And, looking back, it does seem that it was a different world, a world where loneliness and isolation were something I took for granted and did not even suspect might be unnatural.

Ive just begun to practice living without walls that I have not chosen. I understand that I can choose to keep my distance and dont have to be emotionally cut off in order to feel safe but thats still a concept thats real hard to get my head around. I just have so much experience having the walls up and not coming down that things feel out of control sometimes within this new world that started taking shape as remembering began.

When I first started remembering parts of what happened, I also started experiencing panic and disorientation. All the things I had assumed about my relationships with othersfamily members in particularwere challenged then. I wanted the relationships to be something other than what I was rememberingI wanted my life to be something other than what I was remembering. I wanted to be anyone but myself because being there was so uncomfortable.

What was happening to me wasnt fair. It was, in fact, not fair in that it was all a result of bad things that were done to me by others. (Theyre the ones who shouldve suffered!) Why did it happen? Why me? Not having answers and feeling pain deeply, figuratively in my heart and literally manifested in my body. It hurt so much that I was terrified of my feelings. I was as depressed as Id ever felt. If I hadnt had someone who I felt safe with while talking about it, I dont know what I wouldve done.

As fate would have it, thats when I found this site. I was seeing a therapist but nothing accomplished in therapy, though very important, approached the significance of finding other men who have experienced much of the same thing, who listen and who respond.

Hang in there. Dont stop telling yourself to hang in there. Its really hard sometimes and thats not your fault and its undeserved but its what weve been left with so we go from there. I want you to know that I remember very clearly what it was to be in the sort of place youre in now. But I also want you to know that I feel much better now about myself and my life than I did then. It does happen.
 
Mark, This is the reply I wrote to you, but, after writing it, I think it more about how I feel about this place than it is the reply I meant to write to you. Still, I think it may help a little. We've got a lot in common here. Bobby

Ain't it the truth. The walls come a tumbling down, and you didn't even know they were there. Your world collapses. You're not even the person you thought you were. You're some guy you made up to get through the hell that was your life...and you went on with it because you thought that was you. Your depression was a clue, but you thought you were just that kind of personality. You chose a life that you thought you wanted and you were pretty good at it. You're a worker and a good guy and you were respected for what you did. But inside, you were very lonely. You felt like no one could get in there and be with you. What you wanted most in the world was someone to get inside you and be with you, but there was no way you could do that. You had friends, went to parties, etc., but nobody got in...nobody.

Then, all of a sudden, it all changed. For whatever reason your world turned upside down. You started having memories of strange things. They were bits and pieces at first, but gradually they became clearer. Someone had done terrible things to you...sexual things...horrible things that changed who you were completely. You were this happy little kid on the way to a decent life and someone decided to end that for you. The only way you could survive was to go into emotional hiding and build very strong walls around yourself. Part of you went on with life. You weren't aware of it, but another part of you, your sensitive, innocent, wonderful little boy sat down inside the walls and stayed there, too frightened to ever come out.

Then your walls came down and there was that little boy. You had forgotten him, but you knew him immediately. You recognized the part of yourself you had left behind and you grieved for him...for yourself. You couldn't put the thoughts together, but your whole being grieved. Nothing made sense...not any of it, even when you started to put the pieces of the puzzle together. People you loved didn't believe you, couldn't believe you, wouldn't believe you. Some wanted badly to believe you but couldn't understand how you had lived so many years with it and were just now reacting to it. Why did you have to react to it now? Were you sure it happened? Could he have done that to you, really?

And so, you realized that, even though your walls were down and you had discovered your child and with him, your pain, your loss, your rage, your complete sorrow, you were still alone. Nothing had changed except that now you were aware of who you were and why you were and what a terrible thing had been done to you and to the life you should have led.

You went into therapy and that was good. It helped. The therapist believed you. You got some of it out. You told some friends. They were sympathetic and said they understood. But nobody understood...not even those who were closest to you. At first you were hurt, but after awhile, you began to understand that no one could ever understand. No one could know that the horrible acts committed against your body years ago could have destroyed your whole being and even have changed who you were. All were well meaning, but you were still alone, but now you were not only in this for yourself, but for your child...the child who had stayed behind...the child who had stayed within the walls so he would not die of sorrow.

And then you found this place. And all of a sudden there were other men like you. There were men who understood the things you were saying. There were men who were actually saying the things that you were thinking. There were men who actually cared about your pain, and about your little boy, and about how you could get through this. And, most of all, nobody questioned what you were going through. Where once you had felt weak and hopeless, you began to see that you were actually strong and had fought a really good fight just to still be alive. Many were not. You became even a little bit proud of yourself for getting through it.

And you began to feel again, and you gave yourself the right to grieve and the right to cry and the right to do all of those things your little boy couldn't do all those many years ago when there was nowhere to turn and no one to help. And you cried for him, and you cried for yourself, and you cried for all the lost years inbetween. And you understood so many things. Mostly you finally understood you.

And you read the stories of all of these guys and you cried for them and you realized that they, too, had gone through what you were going through and that they were healing and were getting on with their lives and had beat this thing that looked so ominous from where you were. And you also realized that they wanted nothing more than they wanted to help you through the hard times. They actually wanted to hear your story...as many times as you needed to tell it. They wanted to share your anguish, your torment, your anger, your tears. They knew that's what it would take to begin the healing.

I'm where you are, Mark. A lot of the others aren't, but they all have been. Let it rip. Let it all go. This is the place to do it. Everyone wants you to, because they know you have to. They know you hurt,and they know that, after you get it out...every last bit of it, you and your little boy can start to pick up the pieces and build that life you should have been living all these years...together.
 
Bobby - That was stunningly beautiful and accurate. I hope the moderators excerpt it and make it a sticky on the forum. I think every new and old member needs to read that again and again. Thanks for posting it. You have a powerful way of telling all our history.
 
Wow. I'm fascinated by the fact that so many of us, including myself, were supposed to be girls or our parents wanted us to be a girl, or made some like comment. I was the 4th child after 2 boys and they wanted to even it out. So who knows what that does to us and how that effects our perspective about the abuse.

So, no wonder I struggled with sexual identity. the abuse only made matters worse. For years after I realized that I had been abused and found a therapist, I could not speak of my sexual confusion.
Why? I don't know. The desire to pretend that I still had it all together. the fear of finding out I am gay? I don't know. I am just beginning to open these parts up and it feels very late in my life. I am 45 years old. Recently, I bottomed out and I am just hitting the anger phase of recovery. I am even angry that it took so long. How much more I think? Will I reach a place of peace with this? Inside there is a part of me that wants to be a father. Yet, I wonder if that opportunity has been lost.
 
Mark,

listen to the advice these guys are giving.
Most of us never let our guard down, it is conditioned in us, as we stay silent for so long.

The endless confusion of what you have to deal with, after analysing the reality of how it all was in the past can be daunting.

I think that, when we start to let our guard down, we can feel so vulnerable as it protected us in the past.

When we read of others who have been in the same boat, it can really freak you out.

Maybe you need a rest from here to recharge yourself. I don't know.

The thing I do know, is that we are all here if you need us, we will hold the walls up for you.

We have all been through the seemingly impossible, believe you are strong enough to get there, you always did.

Confusion, guilt, anger, frustration and everything else that goes with it should never be yours,

take care of YOU, you deserve it,

ste
 
You know, I understand where you are coming from, the loving and hating your father, my father was one of my perps, so I hate him, but at the same time society demands that we love and respect our parents, both of them. It is ok to have mixed feelings like this, it is healthy when someone, especially a family member, hurts us in anyway, no matter how miniscule or grandeous the betrayel is, it can destroy us all, and bring us to our knees with confusion as to how we feel.

Boy, building walls, you just summed me up in 2 words "building walls." I had walls made of steel around all this hell from my past, but then I had a head injury which desimated my walls, and to this day I cannot contain it all. I still build walls around myself, not letting anyone too close, etc. But when the walls crumble that is a sign we need to deal with it or else it may destroy us.

Keep going, keep fighting, you are worth the feelings, you are worth healing.

Peace,
Scott
 
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