Question to male survivors: may trigger

Question to male survivors: may trigger

Caetel

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Hi !
I have been wondering tonight about guys (survivors) opening up to their loved ones about sexual problems.
Do you tend to sort out or try to sort out the issues on your own before opening up about this ?
Is it a very important for you to make your partner come while making love ?
How important is it for you to feel accepted sexually and how a partner can support you with this ? What kind of words would be most encouraging for you from a partner, especially if confronted with issues like being impotent or being unable to sustain an erection due to being triggered.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this very delicate matter.
Caro
 
Caro

Do you tend to sort out or try to sort out the issues on your own before opening up about this ?
Yes, with little success :(

I haven't got time tonight, but I'll try and come back to this soon

Dave
 
Caro,
may I add my answers to good questions coming from 1) a survivor point of view & also a PARTNER point of view?
I hope you dont mind - this is currently a "HOT" subject between Hubby & I right now...

***CAUTION GRAPHIC TRIGGERS MAY FOLLOW*****

Do you tend to sort out or try to sort out the issues on your own before opening up about this ?

**me** - **Yes, I do try to sort out my issues prior to attempting to make discussion with Hubby, however I am very careful about HIS emotional state BEFORE beginning discussion. I ALWAYS ask 1st IF he is in a "safe space" for discussion. 2) We make sure we are in a position of complete privacy so that there are NO distractions, & ESPECIALLY not in the bedroom, as we feel the bedroom should be our "safe haven". 3) We stick to using "technical terminology" for descriptions of body parts and or sexual contact acts
4) IF the discussion becomes too overwhelming or heated we have pre agreed "code words" that will end the discussion WITHOUT either of us feeling "at fault" or into a "you said , I said" discussion (blame)
this is VERY hard to do and at first and still on occassion we have in front of us a typed up set of RULES to follow to help us if we get "lost".


Is it a very important for you to make your partner come while making love ?

**ME** -*** this has been thru MANY YRS of attempting to make our sexual contact pleasurable and SAFE for BOTH of us. At times I am safe to make sure he can achieve orgasm. HOWEVER I also am very keen to "when he is obviously disassociating" and will stop & gently ask if he is "still with me & here in now".
HE has shared with me in the past that there have been times it is very MOST important and satisfying to HIM that I have reached orgasm. HOWEVER, again we have "code words" IF the effects of the abuse begin to over take our sexual contact -- We are more currently less frequent in sexual contact BUT, also are more in a state of being able to "quickly identify" that orgasm is NOT important, so that has NOT been a "focus" of our sexual contact.***

How important is it for you to feel accepted sexually and how a partner can support you with this ?

**ME** - because of my abuse being "accepted sexually has NOT been a problem. MY inner body concious thoughts ABOUT my body have been the issue more direct. I.E. too fat, too pale, wrong hair color etc. What HE has shared with me has been along the same lines -- our personal "self image" not what each has thought of the others body.***

What kind of words would be most encouraging for you from a partner, especially if confronted with issues like being impotent or being unable to sustain an erection due to being triggered.
**ME** - My thoughts of "words" I need to "hear" during sexual contact are more along the lines of how beautiful My "SAFE" body parts are. Safe body parts being, my hair is gorgeous , my lips are beautiful. That my "face glows" with happiness, or that my hair shines lovely in the lighting.
For HIM - talk & words must be "assuring words" that he is wonderful, that I love him very deeply, he is kind and gentle....

This has been a very very long process for us to slowly over the years develope during our "safe talk" time. He is NOT a very vocal person during sexual contact, but his ACTIONS are very assuring AND he does in fact stop & ask IF he notices that I myself am beginning to disassociate. It has taken A LOT of practice and very slow gentle attempts.

I hope you dont mind that I added to this thread - but with both Hubby & I being survivors I felt that perhaps what little I could share would help to some GREAT Questions.

Outside "Stressors" play a Very HUGE part of how or IF we are sexual with each other - it still remains very difficult for us to become intimate enough at this time to partake of sexual contact with each other. This is NOT uncommon in our 18 yrs together -- I know this too shall pass, sometimes it is quickly sometimes it is long periods of time. PATIENCE is very much a KEY tool in working out a cohesive sexual relationship.

Peace, Sammy
 
Caro, I found the hard way, that being open and honest from the off is the only way.
The only girls I really *knew*, were ones who I opened out to, and it is not easily accepted.

I have to have my own 'space' in any relationship, and that can be pretty hard, because of different needs etc.

Stressors, yes I have huge problems through past stress, and also with touching and stuff.

I dont think I would have a problem with performing with the right girl, but there is always the thing about hurt in my subconscious.

I will talk about the other 999 things later. ;)

ste
 
Caro
much of what Sammy says makes sense to me as well.

I don't like to talk to my wife about my abuse in our house, it's the simple thing of not letting my abusers foul up this home of ours that we built from a ruin and love so much.
Other peoples abuse we can deal with here, but not mine, I will not describe any of what happened to me out loud in this house, although I do talk about the effects and my healing now.

Again like Sammy, when discussing sex between us I use clinical terms, but I can cuss nearly as good as Sammy :D and often do, I also tell my wife very crude jokes sometimes. So I find that a bit strange, why can't I use some of the less offensive terms like 'cock' instead of penis when we're talking about our failing sex life ?

If I instigate sex I wonder if I'm acting like an abuser, and she has the same problem as well.
I never talk while having sex, I don't ask her to do something I like, or ask if she likes what I'm doing.

I know where that comes from, one of my regualar abusers, many times a week for 4 years, encouraged me to talk, and I did. I would suggest things, tell him how 'good it was' - 'how much I was enjoying it', and the dirtier the talk the better he enjoyed it.
Sadly I can't get that out of my head.

And neither can I competely shift the images and flashbacks that invariably happen during sex, or the dissociation and fantasy.

Then there's the failures that inevitably come with those things, which only go to reinforce the feelings of being useless, or at their worst actually making me wonder if the only sex I'm capable of is the sort I had when acting-out; horrible, brief encounters with strange men in toilets.
I know none of this right or true, but once the thought has entered my head it has to be processed and dealt with which even if it only takes 10 seconds is a big enough distraction from the main event.

Naturally my wife sympathetic and does what she can, says all the right things, and eventually makes me feel better about it. Sometimes I can even carry on again, but imagine how difficult that can be when I'm so uptight about talking about sex with her in any kind of open and easy manner ?

Some of this might be a generational thing that could be common to people of our age, I'm 52.
We spent our teenage years in the "swinging 60's" - a time of free love and pre AIDS, and I had my fair share of the free love as well, but I, and maybe others, are still very influenced by our earlier upbringing that gave us our parents influences. My dad turned the TV off at the very mention of sex.
And that prudish embarrasment that surrounded sex still lives on, and is the hardest thing to change I have ever known.
I have sat with my wife in a club in Amsterdam and watched a live sex show, we've sat and watched porn videos, but if wake up with an erection as most men do, I make great efforts to hide it when I head for the bathroom.

There's a big part of me that is liberated, although I feel as though I can think liberated but not act liberated.
I think that I would have become fully liberated without two things.
My abuse and the strict Methodist church moralising of my childhood.

As my abuse began I renounced all religion, and still do, but the two are so closely linked in my head that I can't seperate them.
The moralising of that religious upbringing, and my parents reinforcing of that, gave me the certain feeling that sex would send me to hell, the abuse made sure of that when I was 11yo.

Logically I can see my way through and past that moralising, and I can see the benefits ( to me ) of the liberal views I hold, but something inside my head clings to the wreckage of 11yo David's thoughts and emotions and wont let go.

Time for a few sessions with my therapist I think ! :rolleyes:

Dave
 
Thank you guys for sharing so much. I agree that talking about sex isn't easy and that education being religious or not does not help.
Could you tell me what were the best support lines you got from your partners ? What is the right thing to say to be supportive of a guy who is so hurt when problems happen during making love.
I feel I am capable of a lot of patience and tenderness but may be an extra sweet thing to say can help too !
Thanks again guys
Caro
 
I can't speak for all men, but for me, despite not having had much success in relationships, I love it when a woman truly appreciates something I've done. Makes me feel like her hero. And it doesn't have to be something grandios. The little things are enough for me. Like I said, that's just me.
 
I am not confident, that it - the appropriate answer to this. As since addressing to this as a serious problem, I did not make attempt of sexual relations really. Always before, I always would be with the woman. I am not confident concerning it why that is but I did not feel like appropriate if I have not been involved with the woman. And always, those relations would include sex. It was always important for me, with which my partner I, they are satisfied with me, that they find their pleasure. And to be fair with it, even as my body had the big interest of it, certainly, it was not, almost I shall never have a sex with the woman and really to wish to make it. But I was that which does not exist in relations. I did not think, whether I want it. If she has want, yes, I do it.

I have a shame to tell it, but sexual relations with my mother who proceeded even the last year. She makes attempt of it again even earlier this year. And nevertheless, it only was, some months later I start to look at it as abusing, and that the friend speaks, arrive in here. I had no relations in general from the beginning to understand that all was wrong. The majority of days, I waken feeling big disgust with me directly. And the anxiety if ever I shall be whom - that suitable for the good woman is interesting also.

I think it, for me, it would be the best way to work above it still the some people before I try to participate in it, relations from lady again. As, relations, it should be at least equal needs and desires of both partners, and lady, she would deserve that is the best, I can give her.

VN
 
Thank you VN , I really appreciate your answer which have given me new insights. I believe V's mother has behaved the same way you mother has and tried to abuse him again at Christmas 2003 which throw V into total mess and PTSD. I have always felt his disgust, discomfort and fear at being touched or hugged. I have guessed that the healing regarding sexual closeness can happen only after recognizing the damages of the abuse but also expressing the anger and establishing new bounderies. I believe that by standing against the abuser, in whatever forms it takes, can help my love to be confident enough to risk stepping into a loving relationship that includes sexual closeness and sex. But as I have come to understand it in my own healing, sexual recovery takes a long time and so far for myself I have not been able to have sex with a guy though I have been able to get close. Everytime in my head there is a red alarm that lead me to react like this (depending on the situation)
1) flee
2) dissociate
3) push away the guy and/or being agressive
I am working on it but it is not easy and it looks most of the time
1) pointless
2) too big an obstacle to overcome
3) going to turn into a disaster (meaning going to be hurt or dumped)
I want to add something regarding your last sentence. I believe the woman who truly loves you would recognize the best you can give her but I would like you to remember that the best you can give her doesn't need to be perfection.
I believe V thought at some point he was undeserving of me, that he felt I was too good for him. But I also believed the contrary, because I am a survivor, I believed he was too good for me, that someone so beautiful (I mean his looks but also personality) could not be in love with me. I was seeing the best in him. Today I am able to see the best in myself. I hope some day he will see the beautiful person he is inside and that he will be confident enough to contact me again.
Thank you again, I am going to think about your answer and I might pm you later if that's ok with you
Warmest regards
Caro
 
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