Question for Male Survivors:

Question for Male Survivors:

lucentny

Registrant
At point did you reach in your life did you decide to reach out for help? Was it because you had reached a point where daily function was being impaired??? Did it take being in a "crisis" to recognize that you were going to take baby steps to begin healing?

Am curious what sparked the journey/process for the different men here??? I know with my bf, or ex-bf :-(....miss him so much...He sought help for the first time after we fell apart. Does it take near total personal destruction of not only himself, but others to reach the point of asking for help?
 
Lucentny,

It took the crisis where my wife was considering divorce, or at least separation. To this day I don't know how I came to be saying what I did. I did not mention it to the marriage counselor, my wife did. Within a few months of starting to talk to her, I registered here.

Thanks,

Joe
 
I was not in crisis, and was very functional. The abuse ended at 18. I put it on 'ignore' for 5 years. Actually, I guess it was not great life at that time, I was often drinking too much alcohol, I was not fully in my friendships because I always had trust issues, and had no romantic relationships. But functional. One day someone who had also trained with this coach I had been with made mention of him, comment of him in sarcastic way, about his sexuality and behavior. It bring everything back up to front of my head again, and I keep trying to just put it away again. But it wouldn't. I could not ignore it, I could not get away of it. I could not sleep, could not eat, was constantly in panic and flashbacks. And I knew I needed help, but was very afraid to get any in 'real life'. So I look on here. That was how I begin to start work at this, about a year ago.

Leosha
 
That's how it happened with me. A total and complete crisis. That crisis is still going on.
 
In my case, it was coming to terms with what was always there.

I knew that there was something wrong between and my @$$hole "counselor," but I never knew exactly how far it went. Then, I decided to dig deep. And it went too deep.

I told someone this Saturday, if the moron's dead, it's more the pity that I didn't get a chance to kill him myself.

:(

Scot
 
Originally posted by lucentny:
Am curious what sparked the journey/process for the different men here??? I know with my bf, or ex-bf :-(....miss him so much...He sought help for the first time after we fell apart. Does it take near total personal destruction of not only himself, but others to reach the point of asking for help?
Sometimes it takes a total crisis, other times it is a slow and gradual awakening that life is just "not working" and you are not getting the results you want, that your life is not heading in the direction that you want it to.

For my dad it has been several crises.. the last of which was waking up in a hospital emergency cardiac ward after his excessive drug use and alcohol abuse resulted in blacking out, and the drug withdrawal created massive seizures and heart rhythym disorders. I checked my dad into a psych hospital one morning and the next night they had him transported to a cardiac ward in a university hospital in the next city. When he woke up boy did he have a slap in the face of realization that he was headed down a very dangerous path, and that not dealing with his demons would sooner or later, literally, KILL him.

For my fiance it was more of the latter, but he does remember the exact moment when he decided to make a change. One night he was with a friend, drinking, as he had done many times both he ahd this friend spent many years escaping through alcohol abuse, both men SA survivors.... As this "friend" of my fiance is much older than him and my fiance looked at him and said "God dont let me become like him". At that moment my fiance realized he really WANTED kids and a family and a better job and a better life but was heading down the same path as his alcholic, addicted, divorced friend. My fiance decided at that moment to go to AA, and see a counsellor and start to shape up his life. That was in 1997. We met in 2001. He was really unable to form any kind of relationshp between those years - he tried - twice - but both
relationshps failed miserably after a few months.

P
 
I d not have any crisis when I finally reached out for help. I had to write a personal essay for my English 101 course. I decided, after to listening to Jagged Little Pill over and over, to really make it a very personal essay.

My essay dealt with why I was angry with God. The bulk of the essay dealt with death, but I put in a section about my molestation, and my near suicide attempt.

My classmates and I all had a conference with our teacher about our paper. She asked me if I ever sought out professional help, and I admitted I wanted to but was scared. SHe provided me with the number for the counseling service on campus.

Around that time, I admitted to my academic advisor that I was abused, and she placed a call to the counseling center and left a message. That night, I finally sent an e-mail to a therapist there who has helped many sexual abuse victims.

We traded a couple e-mails and I finally made an appointment. I almost ran out of the waiting room before the appointment, but stayed and I am glad I did. I am not healed by any means, but I am growing stronger and getting closer to happiness.
Casey
 
Hi

I had reached the point where I had been sober for quite a while, then a well known celebraty called Gary Glitter was arrested by the police for downloading child pornography it snowballed from there. I had a choice it was disclose or go insane. I was mentally, morally and spiritually bankrupt. Still am I think!

I have only really touched the tip of the iceberg with regard to my abuse and I still think i'm going insane.

Regards
Archnut
"And all that was left was hope".

My story (Trigger)
https://waltonhop.blogspot.com
 
Lucenty - I didn't really decide...abuse happened late summer of 1969. I buried it deep without understanding what I was burying.

It obviously festered for years without me realising what I was suppressing.

September 2001 I was in a bar with friends & sorry to say there was a strip show on - I went to the toilet & when I came back I thought that my friends had paid for me to get up with the stripper...I went outside (they hadn't paid, I just thought they had). They followed & asked what was wrong - this was the first time I ever told anyone that I had been abused...they were totally shocked but really good about it.

This helped me for a while, but the shell was broken & I was slowly leaking away.

Dec 18th of 2003 everything was just going around and around my head on repeat play that I had to seriously do something about it...I had 2 options - I am still here ( I told people properly for the first time & got professional help).

We can defeat this thing...it is not easy, but we can!!!!!

I asked for help and it has been given!!

Best wishes ..Rik
 
Two very different things triggered me into seeking help and disclosing to my wife, the first person ever after 31 years.

Both these things happened within the same time frame.
After acting out in a public place with another man I drove home, and tried to kill myself in my garage.
I was so "f******g useless" I couldn't even do that properly and ended up lying on the floor crying for about an hour.
Shortly after my wife came home, I had dinner with her and we went to visit some friends. I acted so well I deserved an Oscar.

About the same time a director of the company I work for showed me a large degree of trust and respect by asking me to be on a powerful committee.
I'm a fitter who repairs sewage treatment machinery, I made a 'career' out of being the worst employee ever and would argue with a manager on principle. She had no reason at all to trust me, and I had to earn my respect; but she showed it.
Slowly I realised that I might not be so "f*****g useless" after all.

Dave
 
BIG TIME CRISIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I have asked my boyfriend this too.

He told me that he lived with feeling terrible about himself for his whole life, and he learned to like it. He learned to NEEd it, to seek it out, to do things so that he could get that "bad feeling"... and then he realized, sort of all of the sudden, that feeling bad felt bad, and he didn't want it anymore.

I was with him this whole time, and he never mentioned it to me specifically (didn't even disclose to me until a few months after he started feeling differently), but in retrospect I can see that he began by targeting specific behaviors/negative coping mechanisms that made him feel bad about himself and changing them. I think it was his relative success doing this that made him feel ready to take the next step.

I also think that, like PAS's boyfriend, the people he was with made a difference... only in my boyfriend's case, he had a sort of idea of the guy he wanted to be/should have been... then he started meeting and hanging out with guys just like that and realized that they weren't happier or better than he was, some of them even wanted to be more like him!

SAR
 
lucentry,

i did exactly what your ex did. for all i know you could be my ex g/f.

i hid it, repressed it, and denied it or blocked it for 31 years.

finally after our breaking up and me going in to depression, i admitted it to her and my new therapist.

what a mess, i love her, miss her, long for her. i can't tell if it is lonlieness, love, should i beg for her back. can i handle her having slept with another?, i do not think so. i am saddened over this big time.

anyhow, i do hope you and he find peace with each other or without. it is so rough for us.

take care, guy
 
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andrei
 
Originally posted by guy:
lucentry,
what a mess, i love her, miss her, long for her. i can't tell if it is lonlieness, love, should i beg for her back. can i handle her having slept with another?, i do not think so. i am saddened over this big time.
Guy this one is tough. I too have battled with my own abuse issues over my lifetime which have had an effect on my relationships. I have had people leave me too because I was just not there yet with respect to my healing. And they moved on and dated and/or married others.

But as I look back now... just because it didnt work out with someone then, I should not have been so sad and so quick to believe that things would never work out. Sometime its harder to move forward and start over with someone with whom there is already so much water under the bridge. I have been blessed with the fortunate opportunity to start over a few times since my first breakup when I was so much in the midst of my own abuse discovery.

Dont forget that taking up the challenge to work on difficult things in life conspires to create even better things for you in the future. They have for me. You may not see it now in the depth of sadness and loss but in time I bet you will. Despite the frequent talk of soul mates and only having "one true love" I believe there is more than one "right person" fore each of us out there.. and a lot of what contributes to relationship success is timing and being the best person WE can be, not finding the right person.

Keep fighting the good fight. It will all work out. Things wont always be as painful as they are now. Life has a funny way of moving forward and with effort healing is guaranteed to grow and pain lessens as time passes.

PAS
 
Reaching out for help, wow, for me it was totally indirectly, yet still related to the abuse.

For the longest time (most of my life and one failed marriage) I had absolutely no idea that my adult-life troubles were all because of the abuse I suffered as a child. Oh I remembered the abuse without a problem and as someone was so astute to point out, I tried to forget, but the drugs and alcohol werent good enough to do that. Still, there was no connection in my head between the two vats o crap.

So here I am with a beautiful wife, two beautiful kids, one boy and one girl, a new house, two years into my sobriety (thanks to that often heard ultimatum, Alcohol or me.) and I still wasnt happy. I often found myself looking out the window, crying and the only answer I could give my wife when she asked what was wrong was, I dont know, Im just not happy!

We slowly began to have some problems with the boy, just passive aggressive stuff that always had us on his back to improve in areas like responsibility, there was some lying going on with homework being finished, stuff like that. So we interviewed a few therapists and found one that would work with us as a family or as individuals, whatever we needed at the time. But things just sort of stayed the same for a while until I decided (or did my wife decide?) that I should bring up the abuse issue with our therapist. This is about a year after we start the therapy and were like, Do you think this is a problem?

Um yeah, it was a problem.

Like I said, I just never made the connection (at least on the surface). When my story came out publicly, I explained how I always said, Yes, this happened, but Im fine. However, in an interview, my wifes words described just how deep we could bury these connections where we dont have to face them.

His attitude was, Yes, this guy molested me and then he killed and cannibalized somebody else, and sure, Im fine with that, she said.
What was happening was as my son neared the age of ten, the age I was abused, I began to really push the him away with my anger, just nagging him over everything always finding fault with him and hating myself for it (but isnt that always the key? Hating ourselves?) See, I was upset that he had the protection, the life, the solid parental base that I did not. He had it easy and that made me jealous and pissed off.

So there you are. I got help for the abuse only after mentioning it to my therapist in the course or revealing everything about my life. Now I do what I can to kick guys in the shins and get them to take a good look at their life and see if they cant make a connection between all the crap in your life and the crap that happened as a kid. And what kills me is I keep running into myself when these guys say, Oh, well yeah, that happened but thats not why I drink.

Geez, I had one guy come to me after I went public and tell me about his abuse. I asked him if he was getting therapy?

Oh no, I dont need that Im fine.

I said, Really? How many times you been married?

Uh twice.

No kidding. I said. You have a problem with alcohol?

Yeah, a little.

I said, And you dont need therapy?

Nope.

Well, you can lead a horse and all that right?

So there you are, I hope this helps to shed some light on how complicated this junk is.
 
Curtis makes a good point--there are lots of ways to end up getting "help" that only helps up to a point... especially when the survivor isn't doing the reaching out so much as others are reaching towards him, or pushing at him, the way that loved ones are prone to do in times of crisis. I think it's significant that the "crisis" moments that some of the men here have described are more internal and private than dramatic and public. The outer crisis may be a jump-start on the healing journey, but I don't think it can carry you all the way.

Sometimes what seems like a natural connection for a survivor to make between "crisis" and "other problems" isn't natural at all, because his mind is in such a fucked up place that the "other problem" doesn't even show up on the radar. Sometimes what others perceive as a crisis doesn't even seem like much of a crisis to the survivor. "Yes, so I'm going to fail out of school, why is everyone making such a big deal out of it..."

I was 15 and my boyfriend was 17 when we had our first child. It seems pretty obvious to me now that my pregnancy had a lot to do with the crap that both of us were "acting out"--but my boyfriend didn't stop and say to himself, "Gee, I got my girlfriend pregnant, I wonder if I need help for my sexual behaviors which are really getting out of hand and possibly related to the abuse I suffered earlier in my childhood." I think it probably went more like "Great, there I go ruining someone else's life, I really AM an asshole." And why should he have made that connection anyway? I mean, no one else was asking him, "Why did you get your girlfriend pregnant, when and why did you become sexually active, etc." They were all just basically treating him like the thing he thought he was.

I guess he missed the "crisis" bus by about six years. :rolleyes:
 
Thanks for the replies. I'm a little surprised that with some people it was a gradual awakening and with others it was full blown crisis that made them examine their past.

I guess it is the type of thing that you can try and run from your whole life, but eventually it will end up kicking you in the ass if it isn't dealt with. At least my ex-bf...is very young and isn't going through this with while trying to raise children at the same time. He has his whole life ahead of him to shape in whatever way he wants and I hope he can see that.

I think with my ex it was a mixture of events. I guess the big one was our relationship crises where I can now clearly see his "acting out" behaviors REALLY flaring up around the holidays, and then the meeting with his mom.

What Roland said above hit home when he said that he had a wife, kids, everything that one should have to be content, yet within him there was just a deep, deep, sadness. I can so clearly see that with my him. He has a good job, great apt, someone who loved him and supported him (me)...and yet...there was something about him that was so deeply unhappy, angry, sad.I guess after the initial euphoria of meeting each other wore off and the "real" relationship began we confronted all of this...something of which he never did before even though he had a failed marriage.

I never made the connection either (I ended up blaming myself a lot thinking I was inadequate). The "acting out" or pushing away behavior I never understood what the hell was going on and reading this site and the books have helped me to reach a better understanding. I see everything in retrospect so much more clearly...his strange lack of trust of me in sharing things (which I thought was because he didn't love me...wasn't the case at all b/c he did). He actually told me that he was actually always afraid that he wasn't good enough in some ways to keep me "entertained" to stay in the relationship and he said many nights when we would stay home and vegetate he would feel like he was letting me down (again this shows how he feels unlovable, fears of abandonemnt, and then he would act out when at home making it a self-fulling prophecy). Sigh.

I guess it's a terrible mixed bag of good and bad. He said that he never loved anyone like he loved me before...he never laughed, cried, or showed as much emotion or experienced as much happiness, felt such love and acceptance. I guess when the floodgates of emotions were opened b/c he is not normally very emotional at all..the bad feeling were allowed to finally escape too...the ones that he wouldn't allow himself to feel for so, so, so long and now it has destroyed "us."

I just hope that he continues on the path of therapy and healing...and I wish all of you the best of luck and am so glad that you are getting help and LIVING your life you meant to have.

I thank you all for sharing your stories. I thank god this site exists.
 
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