PLEASE READ THIS

PLEASE READ THIS

fhorns

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I'm back. I'm Alfred, and I went to Paris, Ontario for a MaleSurvivor weekend this last year, and since then I stopped coming here. What I found out after the weekend was more than I knew what to do with. I even emailed one of the top guys here about it, but I couldn't take it in.

Please don't minimize what I am going through now.

I am more a victim (survivor?) of emotional incest than actual physical incest. My mother never exploited me physically, but she never married after my sister was born. I am the youngest of three boys, and then my sister. She was born in 1977, and I was six.

Well, growing up was rough. Mom's an alcoholic, a loner, and intensely controlling, and this created "my world". I thought that's all there was. Well, my two older brothers left home early. They couldn't take the controlling, and they were too outspoken or out of control to subject themselves to it. Not me. I feared for my life, emotionally. I wanted Mom's love, and I stayed home keeping the status quo for a while. When I first moved out, it was a few months after high school, and it was only next door. I always felt "stuck" in my town.

Well, back to my point. I never knew what was wrong with me. Something insided of me screamed because of abandonment and pain I felt. I numbed myself out with avoidance of relationships, and later on, when relationships came about--food, caffeine, isolation, and fantasizing about running away. Even death became attractive.

As a boy, I was her "best child", who "never caused a day of trouble". My mom used to invite me into her bed all the time as a young man. And if she wanted a hug, it was a taking a hug. I even questioned my wife the first time we hugged. I didn't trust her motives. I thought she was going to "take" a hug.

I am in pain right now, but there is good and bad in the mix. For one, my wife opened up to me and told me how alone she felt in our relationship. I couldn't do anything but take it. It was true. But I have been digging into my therapy, and I called my therapist while on vacation. My wife is very willingly coming to my session come Tuesday. I thank God so much for that.

The bad in the mix is my mother-in-law. We've lived with the in-laws about seven months now, I just lost my job, and my wife is reluctantly returning to work after a shortened maternity leave. She only had two months down. So I am looking for a job and getting underserved, unearned, irrational contempt by my MIL who hates her own life. I get so many triggers off her. I hate my own life right now.

God help me!! I fear my wife's emotional abandonment, and I'm emotionally exhausted. I can't take it out on her, dump it on her, and no one within my local friends is "always" there to turn to.

If replying, please remember that I can't relate to the sexual violence that many of you went through. Mine is what could be called emotional exploitation. So the very person I could turn to in time of help never gave me a thing. All she did was take.

I could project this onto anyone. So I don't trust. But you guys are my only link. This email is just what I was trained to do--taking. Don't know what to do.

Thank you.
 
fhorns, hey you are a survivor, you went through a lot and dismiss it as less than ab*se, but it was ab*se. Your mother should have been your protector, someone you can turn to with your problems, instead she just created them.

Who do you turn to when a parent does these things? There is no way OUT.

Emotional hurt is just as bad as physical hurt, there is not much between the two, because physical is mental ab*se anyhow.

I hope you can feel safe knowing that you have told what happened, but don't ever minimalise it. I hope you can find a job and get closer to your wife, I am sure she needs you, but she probably can't see the hurt within.

You should have posted this in the main forum because it is not off topic, mods please oblige.

take care,

ste
 
Alfred
you've been coming to MS for a long time now, so we must be doing something for you?

The kind of 'relationship' you describe is very similar to a Survivor's that I know over here, he just says that his "mother was inappropriate" towards him.
Showing the wrong kind of affection when a boy is learning about and becoming aware of sex could have some very bad effects, especially if there is also a lack of proper and appropriate sexual teaching.

I hope things improve for you and your wife in the near future, it's hard to deal with out mixed up lives without someone poisoning the good work you're trying to do.

Dave
 
Hi Alfred,

I am glad that you have grown in understanding of the affects of this emotional incest. I dont think the guys here would minimize the affect of this or what you are going through now. You describe it very clearly and though its not close to my experience I can see from what you write how devastating your mothers behaviour must have been. I can see how your mother was trying to turn you into a surrogate husband. Instead of fulfilling your normal child needs, which is what we expect every parent to do, she exploited you by trying to fulfil her own needs.

I am glad that your wife was able to be more open with you, and that you are going to therapy together.

Job-hunting is very stressful at the best of times. Wish you good luck with it.

Glad that you have this site as a link.

Hope you can take good care of yourself during this difficult time.

Rustam.
 
There are many common links between all types of abuse. Many of the results are the same. What you went through stems from a person whom you were taught to love and trust taking advantage of and abusing that love and trust to satisfy their own desire for power and control because of their inability or lack of power and control over themselves.
 
Hi fhorns,
As a child I was subject to all sorts of abuse, mental and physical as well as sexual from different people. It's funny to me, but I find the mental/emotional abuse to be at least as bad as the sexual since it came from a parent as well. I can't imagine anyone who has gone through this to trivialize your emotional pain over this. In'laws can be a special breed all to themselves and I surely do not envy your being in the position you find yourself currently. I wish I had some answers for you, but I just wanted you to know that I hear your pain and I hope things turn around for you soon.
Broken
 
Trivialize? Far from it. My only internet access nowadays is at work, which really inhibits me from checking this site and especially from posting. Your post, Alfred, is one I couldn't ignore.

First of all, THANK YOU for writing. So many things you have written resemble my own situation. From being Mom's favorite to getting inappropriate affection from Mom to having trouble with in-laws today.

In therapy and on this site, I've usually written about my brother and what he did to me. That was because that side is more clearly abusive.

I have this fear (yes, it's still there. I thought I'd gotten over it) I have this fear that if I tell people what Mom did to me, they'll stare blankly and say, "That's it? That's all. Wow, man. Sorry, but that's not abuse. Maybe you should get some help."

I don't want to steal this thread by talking only about me, but reading these posts has given me new courage.

The touching I remember my Mom doing was subtle, a sort of fondling my thighs as she walked by. When I told my wife about it she thought it was nothing. When I told my first therapist about it and other things about my mom and me, he said it sounded like there was covert sexual abuse going on, and that it was unusual for touching to accompany that.

It's all very, very confusing. So I talk about my brother instead. Of course, I definitely needed to process what he did to me, but it was also easier to confront than the Mom question.

I've actually confronted my brother, but I don't know if I'll ever talk to Mom about it.

I asked my brothers about what they remember, and they both recall her doing things that embarrased them, but they say none of it was abuse. (Big bro--my other perp, who claims to have absolutely no recognition of what I say he did to me--anyway, Big bro remembers Mom asking him to get out of the bath so she could look at his naked body.)

So, how can I confront my Mom...MY MOM!...with charges like this when no one else--wife, brothers, etc.--thinks I'm right.

I think I'm derailing this thread, maybe time to start a new one.

Just let me repeat, though, there is nothing to trivialize about your experience.

AND, as you have just reminded me...
YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
 
((((((((((Alfred))))))))))

You know I'm always here for you Alfred. Remember you are safe here.
 
Hi Guys, this web page may help make thing clearer. https://www.malesurvivor.org/Prevention%20&%20Education/Articles/pban.htm
 
I want to scream with excitement that I'm not alone! I never knew someone else that could relate--or even identify what was going on.

THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME BACK!!!

Update on the overall scenerio:
Got a job starting tomorrow. That's taking a lot off me, my wife, and our financial scenerio.

Therapy: Had a productive session today. Wife was there, she shared, and we (I) was honest. I truly treat her like I'm a boy and she's mom. Our "issue" was out. The next session is my first EMDR session, and I expect changes in me. Can't wait!

THANK YOU
 
Alfred,

welcome back, first of all. And I agree, that your situation should not at all be trivialized.

My mom never sexually abused me, or hurt me physically. But the things she did, the inappropriateness of some of her words and actions, I think it affects me now as much or more then some of the other issues.

I am glad that things are better, emplyment-wise. And that you have a supportive wife, who is willing to work at this with you, and help you to find your true self in all that you don't know about yourself. You deserve that.

I wish you good luck, continued, in work and therapy, and with your wife. And hope you will be able to put some distance between yourself and the mother in law soon.

leosha
 
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