Pdoc statements and my confusion

Pdoc statements and my confusion

Sick Puppy

Registrant
I don't think that it was his place to do political debate in that sort of situation. It probably made you feel dumb and uninformed, right? I know it does when people do that to me (unless I am specifically seeking out debate.) A therapist shouldn't do something like that that will purposely lower his patient's self esteem.

I don't think there is an inner child like a kid version of you living since you, but I certainly think there is a part of everybody that is still basically a child. Especially for survivors.
 
Still 12
The inner child thing will possibly depend on the 'school' of therapist as to whether they believe in it, but I think most popular types of therapy respect some version of this idea.

Your second point about him saying "It's over and done with." is interesting. I recently read about some British research that says some people attach too much importance to 'getting help' ie therapy, and that our national 'stiff upper lip old boy !" attitude has better results.
What they're saying is we should "just get over it !"

I disagree completly, if I could have just "got over it" I would have done,I tried desperatly for over 30 years to do just that and failed miserably where 5 years of therapy and help have helped immensly.

And as for your therapist spending most of the session talking about the war - that's completly wrong.
You weren't there for that, and more to the point he wasn't being paid for that either.
SickPuppy is absolutely right, he used his position of trust to put his point of view forward not knowing if you were a political clued up person or not. And you weren't there for that.

I would say you have to establish some ground rules with him or change therapists, he ain't the only one.

Dave
 
I would ask for a refund and a referral...

Peace

Orodo
 
Ahhhhhh, psychiatrists. If only they'd stick to what they do best.... prescribe medications.

They are not politicians. Usually, they are not therapists, either. Obviously, this guy did not do what you paid him to do, help you feel better.

It is unfortunate that clients/patients are or feel they are at the mercy of the degreed professional. There are, unfortunately, some arrogant as well as ignorant professionals out there who either get off on crushing clients/patients or believe that a Ph.D or M.D. (or even I hate to say, MSW) means that you can pontificate and expect the patient/client to be grateful.

If you don't feel comfortable and can find another shrink who can prescribe the meds you need, go for it. Check out "The Consumer's Guide to Therapist Shopping" in the "Survivor" section of the website.

I hope he didn't charge you for the extra time while discussing politics.

Ken
 
I would be furious with this doctor and would most likely write a letter to the state board where you are at. He doesn't know the first thing about what he is doing if he made those statements and then proceeded to talk about the war. You're correct to question these things because the stuff he did is not what you are paying him for. I would actually write a letter to the state board and let them know of how he acts.

Don
 
Still12,

I have nothing to add to what the others have already said, except for a few choice words I'm choosing not to use.

I echo what Orodo says especially.

Doctors like him are why people call psychiatrists
"shrinks!"

Victor
 
Thanks everyone for all your input.

The last place I need to feel uncomfortable is the pdoc's office. I thought it was rather unprofessional of him to bring up that subject. Especially when I just began feeling better. My problem is that I never have a good comeback. Or I always think of one later when it's too late. I hate that. It's always been that way for me. The "other person" always seems to be in control. Like when you're a kid and you don't feel like you count. I just don't have whatever it takes to tell someone that I disagree (most of the time, there are rare exceptions). I guess it goes along with the ever present low self-esteem.

Still 12
 
Still12

I guess it goes along with the ever present low self-esteem.
Absolutely right, and that's what he should be leading you to recover - your self esteem. ( amongst other things )

And included there is the confidence to say what you feel at the time you feel it, which will come as you begin to regain your self esteem and believe that you are right. Then telling this 'quack' he's bang out of order wont bother you.

The inner child thing was something we talked about in the group today, and someting that suddenly hit me with it's importance. Let me start at the beginning.

My brother ( 8 years older than me ) emigrated to Canada when I was 11 yo and starting at the boarding school. I remember saying goodbye the day I arrived at the school. My abuse started within weeks and continued for over 4 years.

My relationship with my brother was ok, but I rarely had contact with him, hardly ever wrote letters. In fact I saw him more than I wrote him when he came home every 3 years or so.
But we both got computers and started emailing until it became almost nightly, but it was just idle chat mostly.

About a year ago I told my sister in law about my abuse, but didn't get a chance to talk to my brother before they returned home, but we've emailed a bit about it, so he knew something but not that much.

For the last 2 weeks he's been over here on his own and stayed with us, and we've talked.
Not about the weather and stuff, but TALKED, deeply and with no holds barred on my part or his.
And I recieved nothing but love, acceptance and trust from him. The first blood relative I've told, ever likely to tell as well, and he's on my side.
It meant so much to me, I can't explain how much. But it felt good.

Today in our group we talked about connecting to our inner child, the one we left behind, stranded and alone before the abuse.

A child like the 11 year old innocent who waved goodbye to an older brother he idolised, and lost for 39 years. Today I took Dave back to meet David.
It was the most emotional I've been for years, I'm emotional now, I've finally reached out and touched the boy I was.

So I KNOW that there are other boys out there stranded, there must be. I can't possibly be the only one with a boy left behind.
Go and look, never give up, he can be reached and it's worth every scrap of effort.

I've been close to David for a while, but today I took his hand.

Dave & David
 
Lloydy,

I am very glad you got to talk to your brother. I have never been able to do that. Actually, about 12 years ago, I mentioned what happened to me (no detail) to my Mother, Father, and both brothers, on different occasions (they are both older than me by 5 and 9 years). I remember, my Mom saying,"oh no" and my Dad only said, "We don't think any less of you". That was it. NEVER any more discussion, swept under the rug. The End. Fini!!! Our family never talked deep when I was growing up and even in later years.

So that's why I think it is so great that you have an understanding, caring brother who will listen. I think that is better than any therapy or pdoc. You are very fortunate. I hope you can have many more discussions.

My question is this...Exactly HOW did Dave go back to meet David?

On my computer at work I have as my background a picture of myself in 1957 when I was 8 years old sitting with my Mom and Dad at a picnic in the back yard of where I grew up. I look at that picture every day and wonder just how I could crawl back into that picture to get back to that time. In the past year and a half I lost both of them and I find it difficult still to think that they are gone. They have always been there. My brothers reacted differently (I am the youngest and closest to them). Again we don't talk about it. Oh, a little when it was around the funeral time but that was about it.

So I still look at that picture along with a zillion others I have at home. I have yet to look at any home movies from the long past or videos from 1991 until 2001 (the last video of my Mom was on her 80th birthday in Jan 01, she died in August 01). It will be some time until I can ever look at that one. The old home movies go back to 1962 when I was 13. I can look at myself in those and foolishly wish I was back there. Knowing full well that it is not possible.

Constant longing for something that is not possible.

Some who don't understand would call me crazy, I know. But it is there. That's why I think that the 12 year old me is crying out. And why the 54 year old me doesn't act 54. He's way behind. My wife will attest to that!! But she understands and that's good.

Then the pdoc says there's no such thing. Didn't make me feel too good. He said there has been too much emphasis put on the "what happened to me when I was a kid" sort of thing. It burst my bubble for a while and just confused me.

Lloydy, I don't know why I went off on that tangent but I still would like to know how you met David.

I've been close to David for a while, but today I took his hand.
I think that is beautiful.


Thanks for your post.

Still 12
 
Dave,
That was really great to read. It truely made me happy :) .

Still 12,
I remember, my Mom saying,"oh no" and my Dad only said, "We don't think any less of you". That was it. NEVER any more discussion, swept under the rug. The End. Fini!!! Our family never talked deep when I was growing up and even in later years.
I recently told my parents that I'm in therapy and that I've had to go to a p-doc, though I never mentioned the abuse. My parents are very caring people but their reaction was similar to yours. They want to help me out as much as possible but their emotional capacity is nil. I've told them that they have never fostered an environment where I feel comfortable talking to them. It's mostly because they just don't or can't understand other peoples emotions. I told them this but as expected it just went over their heads. But maybe things are changing.
Take care,
mike
 
Still 12
I think I went back by finding a good link back to that time before the abuse started, my brother.
He's been back home in Canada for about a week now, and I've thought a lot about what we said, how we reacted to each other and everything that went on.
We had a great time together, drank too much, ate out often, went for walks and had a good time.
And at the end of the 2 weeks we were so natural around each other it was as though we spent all our time together. So talking about the abuse, and both of us making bad jokes about it at times, became natural.

But it was only when the therapist who runs our group challenged me to describe the relationship I have with my inner child that I suddenly realised how much closer I had become to him.
Through the emotion I saw that young David was ok until the abuse started, I was a normal kid. No better or worse than most kids. And that was something I had never fully appreciated, I'd always carried the image that 'maybe' I was different so I was 'marked' as a victim.
I suddenly saw that wasn't the case.

I know through talking with my brother, and the benefit of hindsight that our upbringing was probably no different to so many others, our parents displayed no emotions before us and still don't, nothing sexual was ever talked about or watched on TV. It was an emotional wilderness. But I have said before, our parents were of a generation that had entirely different, Victorian, standards so they knew no different. It wasn't their fault either.
But they never learnt, my mother has never worked and we lived in the country with no neighbours, my dad worked but he was a manager at a water plant with a small workforce who until this day still call him Mr ------ and not by his first name. So the insular lifestyle was ingrained, and passed on to my brother and I.

On monday we attended the funeral of my Uncle, the last of my mothers family, and it was over 100 miles away. So my wife and I took them and we spent all day together, a long day. When we got them home I was in the kitchen and my mother took off to her bedroom to cry for the first time all day.
She didn't feel comfortable crying before her husband, son and daughter in law.
So what chance had we of ever learning about emotions ? none at all.

So bridging that gap with a blood relative has finally let me go back, both of us I would think, and re-assess that time before I was abused in greater clarity. I can now look at the picture above my monitor of David at 11yo and see that the smile wasn't forced and false, there was no need.

A friend in the group was abused from a very young age right until his late teens by the same man, and I think he might have a different take on this altogether, possibly his child is completly trapped. But he now does a lot of things that kids do, such as watch the cartoons. He's also a superbly talented artist and modeller, which are both hobbies that kids enjoy. Although his talent is as good as it gets.

As you can tell it's something that's affected me greatly, I'm still so emotional today. I guess it's one of these things we work on, make progress with and see results from, then suddenly - BANG - it makes sense.
It couldn't have happened without the hard work and therapy, maybe even the link back through my brother wasn't essential, but I do know that to understand your boy makes understanding your man so much easier.

Happy days :D

Dave
 
Dave,

I think that is great that you could make a connection with David like that! :)

I wonder if I would ever be able to do that. I don't think it is as clear-cut with me. My abuse started when I was so young that I don't think there is a Josh inside of me that is innocent and has never known abuse.

Is that possible? It seems like the "inner child" is the child inside of you from before you were abused, but I was abused pretty much all my life. Is that part of me dead forever? :( I feel like I have a child inside of me and if I was to guess I'd say he was maybe 5 but my SA had already started at that point. I had been physically/emotionally abused since I was three months old (when I got out of the hospital-- I was premature) and sexually abused since age 3. I do not think there is a Josh in me that knows no abuse... does that mean it is impossible to ever reach out to him like you did? :(
 
He's there josh, he's there somewhere.

Sometime ago there were moments when the sun shone and Josh played without a care, it can't have been raining and painful 24 / 7 .

I had friends at school, caring teachers, loving family members that I have come to remember over and above the abusers, those that didn't care and those I couldn't tell.
The good ones might have been few, but they were actually the influential ones, the bad ones just smothered their goodness with crap and I had to shift it.

If there isn't a happy Josh back there, how did you get here ?

Dave
 
I hope you are right, Lloydy. I think he must be in there somewhere. Sometimes I think I sense his presence.

Although... while I am not sure if this is at all related... I sometimes regress. I think there was a name to this disorder but I forgot what it was. It's not MPD/DID because I do not have any alternate personalities but sometimes a little version of me shows up. He doesn't take over for me, but... I turn into him, basically. I guess the best word is 'regress.' I can always remember what happened afterwards but while I am in that state I don't understand that I am not a little kid. (About 5 or 6, I would guess.)
 
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