PANIC ATACKS
PANIC ATACKS
- Thread starterOKIE MIKE
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Michael,
I am sorry for the panic attacks -
They can be upsetting to say the least.
Take some breaths if they happen to try and give relief -
in the bigger picture of things - my mind has gone to - the time of year that is now -
'the holidays' and the end of the year.
a really big time - i've been pretty irritable - angry - you name it...
one guy i spoke with said - he was gonna break up with his gf - i said -
this might not be a good time of year to think on that - anyways - take good care man -
this time of year - and shopping in general at this time -
maybe be bring up crud - it does for many many people. peace.
I am sorry for the panic attacks -
They can be upsetting to say the least.
Take some breaths if they happen to try and give relief -
in the bigger picture of things - my mind has gone to - the time of year that is now -
'the holidays' and the end of the year.
a really big time - i've been pretty irritable - angry - you name it...
one guy i spoke with said - he was gonna break up with his gf - i said -
this might not be a good time of year to think on that - anyways - take good care man -
this time of year - and shopping in general at this time -
maybe be bring up crud - it does for many many people. peace.
ScottyTodd
Registrant
Mike - Those darn panic attacks are terrifying!! I get them with some phobias I've acquired over the years. The only thing (short of meds) that works with me is called "closer approximations". I approach my panic object. As soon as I feel the anxiety coming on - stomache:butterflies; heart:rate increases; breathing:increases; panic: avoid everything and run - I stop, close my eyes, redirect my thinking, slow my breathing until I am breathing normally. When I am ready, I slowly open my eyes and direct my mind on what I need to accomplish. It works for me and I hope it will work for you!!
I used to think of what the people around me think when I do this BUT I got to the point of not caring what anyone thinks because I know what I need to get my job done.
Howard
I used to think of what the people around me think when I do this BUT I got to the point of not caring what anyone thinks because I know what I need to get my job done.
Howard
I hear ya Mike. Panic attacks galore for me, for years. It took me a long time to figure out what was causing them, psychologically that is.
I would go through long periods of having what fits the description of "Panic Disorder". It started when I decided it was time to try having mature adult relationships. I would get very depressed and insecure, overly obsessed with traits about the person that I did not posess (comparing myself to them). Then those obsessions would turn into the fear that I am going to get dumped because of my out of control emotions, which was a fear of abandonment and rejection.
I eventually learned that depression was scaring the hell out of me. It was always during a breakup that I would start having these panic attacks.
There is a lot you can do with inner dialogue, once you realize that thoughts ALWAYS precede emotions, and never the other way around. If you find yourself intensely studying every little sensation your body experiences and then being afraid of what it means, you are stuck in your own feedback loop. It even works out on paper. Since thought leads to emotion, and you are thinking about your emotions (in a fearful way), then you have a feedback loop.
Example
Scary thought: I will never be able to have a mature and healthy relationship.
Feelings: Adrenaline is released because now you feel flawed and permanently alone.
Scary thought: Oh no, there's that hot feeling in my stomach, this feels really bad.
side note-> that "hot feeling" starts near your stomach for a reason, your adrenal gland is located very close to your kidneys!
Feelings: More adrenaline, heart starts to thump because you are anticipating something awful.
Scary thought: I don't feel well, my heart is going to fail because of all it has been dealing with, it can't handle this much intensity.
Feeling: A surge of more adrenaline and now you are shaking because you don't want to have a heart attack, the adrenaline is partially converted in your brain to noradrenaline, which is a potent "fight or flight" neurotransmitter , so your mind just got a big boost in how fast it is thinking, which makes you calculate disaster even faster.
side note-> noradrenaline is another name for norepinephrine, just like adrenaline is another name for epinephrine, epinephrine (aka adrenaline) is the active ingredient in primatine mist for treating asthma attacks
I won't go on, the point should be clear by now.
A variant on the above feedback loop is the guy who fears he is going crazy or losing his mind. It shouldn't be too difficult to substitute the appropriate thoughts and feelings above. This was alway my personal fear, since I grew up in a house with a schizophrenic father, but that is another story.
I don't expect that this information will cure anyone, but I hope it will help enlighten and encourage you to take control.
Craig
I would go through long periods of having what fits the description of "Panic Disorder". It started when I decided it was time to try having mature adult relationships. I would get very depressed and insecure, overly obsessed with traits about the person that I did not posess (comparing myself to them). Then those obsessions would turn into the fear that I am going to get dumped because of my out of control emotions, which was a fear of abandonment and rejection.
I eventually learned that depression was scaring the hell out of me. It was always during a breakup that I would start having these panic attacks.
There is a lot you can do with inner dialogue, once you realize that thoughts ALWAYS precede emotions, and never the other way around. If you find yourself intensely studying every little sensation your body experiences and then being afraid of what it means, you are stuck in your own feedback loop. It even works out on paper. Since thought leads to emotion, and you are thinking about your emotions (in a fearful way), then you have a feedback loop.
Example
Scary thought: I will never be able to have a mature and healthy relationship.
Feelings: Adrenaline is released because now you feel flawed and permanently alone.
Scary thought: Oh no, there's that hot feeling in my stomach, this feels really bad.
side note-> that "hot feeling" starts near your stomach for a reason, your adrenal gland is located very close to your kidneys!
Feelings: More adrenaline, heart starts to thump because you are anticipating something awful.
Scary thought: I don't feel well, my heart is going to fail because of all it has been dealing with, it can't handle this much intensity.
Feeling: A surge of more adrenaline and now you are shaking because you don't want to have a heart attack, the adrenaline is partially converted in your brain to noradrenaline, which is a potent "fight or flight" neurotransmitter , so your mind just got a big boost in how fast it is thinking, which makes you calculate disaster even faster.
side note-> noradrenaline is another name for norepinephrine, just like adrenaline is another name for epinephrine, epinephrine (aka adrenaline) is the active ingredient in primatine mist for treating asthma attacks
I won't go on, the point should be clear by now.
A variant on the above feedback loop is the guy who fears he is going crazy or losing his mind. It shouldn't be too difficult to substitute the appropriate thoughts and feelings above. This was alway my personal fear, since I grew up in a house with a schizophrenic father, but that is another story.
I don't expect that this information will cure anyone, but I hope it will help enlighten and encourage you to take control.
Craig
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