not sure why

not sure why

michaelb

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i have not come to this site in over 7 months, have just been trying not to think about things....

but since i now know i'm going to end things once and for all, i just wanted to come back here to thank all the guys here for their support over the past several years......it really meant alot to me.....

i hope all of you can find the sense of peace i currently feel......in letting go, i realize that being abused was predetermined for me.....guess i deserved what happened to me....this is just my destiny......

michael
 
i tried to pm you, but your box was full. i didnt want to leave today without saying something. i know life seems bleak, but i have to believe the answers are out there. sure i am struggling with stuff still, but believe me, i have come a long way. i guess at least i understand why i am unhappy. i cant change everything, but i imagine i will learn to accept what i cannot change. i hope you find the strength and will to go on. i hope to speak with you more.

((Michael))
take care.

jeff
 
Michael,

I got your PM, if there was really no hope for you, you wouldnt be here with us now.

Dont let them win.

Please! For yourself and all the other guys here on this site, dont let them win.
 
Michael,

guess i deserved what happened to me
What a lie that is! You could not deserve what happened to you. You are not some creature that set out to destroy innocents. You are not some modern day Hitler. Even if you were, you could not deserve what happened to you.

Michael, a year ago at this time you were able to admit that one good thing was how you stopped the cycle of abuse from continuing past you. Better yet, you were helping Ken help others as he prepared for his speech. You, Michael, were transforming your pain into something that could and did help others.

Why would you deny the world that strength now? You can do good for yourself, by working on your own healing, and good for others, by proving that healing is possible. (I say "possible," not "easy.") You have been in a place like this before, and you have been able to continue. Please do not throw in the towel now.

Yeah, you've been away from here for 7 months, but that won't stop people from caring about you. I care about you.

Joe
 
I don't even know you and I care about you!
 
Michael,

I asked the same question a few days ago. Read the following thread. The answers are the same for you.

https://www.malesurvivor.org/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=003657

Please read it and then talk again.

Marc
 
but i cannot bear the pain inside of me any longer......not the abuse, but seeing the total effect the abuse has had upon my life.....i let it destroy everything in my life.......I LET IT KILL MY SOUL.........i''ve tried to fight to get it back, but it has been gone for far too long.....i've been so dead inside for such a long time and no matter how i try, i cannot rekindle my soul.....it is dead........i need to be dead................michael
 
I care because we are a family, and I know that even If my personality totally pissed people off (and for all I know it may) every one of these guys would still be here to pull me out if I fell in a hole.

Why do we care? Maybe simply because we want people to care about us.

What would you say to me if things were turned around?
 
michael you can't quit now. please don't quit. what if crossing over locks that pain in for all eternity!!!!!! please this is not the answer, there has to be a better way. stay here and talk with us. please.
 
i guess you care because you see part of yourself in me........the same way i felt a few years ago when i first found this site and came to learn that there were others who felt the same way i did and were just as confused and messed up as i was......I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE>>>>>>>>

I PRAYED I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO HURT AS MUCH AS I DO INSIDE......finding you guys should have given me a sense of comfort, but it just made me more sad, knowing that others had to endure the turmoil and suffering i have been enduring for such a very long time.......i actually took comfort in that maybe i was bearing the burden i carried to alleviate such pain for others in much the same way Christ gave himself to save others....i've actually fantasized about being crucified since i was 4 or 5 years old.....i just thought this was my cross to bear......

but i have found myself blaming my abuse for all of my bad decisions in life and my inability to cope with life's simplest problems....I JUST CANNOT DEAL WITH LIFE.......i hide from life and i just can no longer live like that.........i cannot blame the shambles of my life on my abuse.......it is time i face the music.......time i set the people around me free of my turmoil..........michael
 
i promise you, you are setting NOBODY free by doing it. NOBODY including yourself. There has to be a better way. i was where you are then i had ect and have a whole new lease on life. i don't know what to suggest but i'm praying you don't give up... on us... on life... on yourself. (((((((((((( michael ))))))))))))
 
All I can say is please call someone for help. A therapist. A hotline. Someone. Anyone.. Take yourself to the emergency room. Just please do something. Ending your life is not taking control of it. It is just more running and hiding.
 
Do not give up. Yeah there may be pieces of you broken and battered. But you can see your worth some day. You can get out of that fucking dark cloud. I know, I did. You can too. I know what the barrel of a gun tastes like. I may not have walked a mile in your shoes, but I can tell you it can get better.

Jesus died for all the screwups and outcasts in this world. If you look at who he hung out with and who he chose to serve him, most were screwups, social outcasts, or in some other way looked down on by society. Jesus saw their worth. Jesus died not for the good people, but for the bad people of this world. If God incarnate thinks you were worth HIS suffering and death, then I would listen to him.
 
Michael - this is the first of your postings that I have read! I just started coming here late December 2003!

We all have a past that we cannot change - we can move forward with a new understanding of ourselves! I don't know your personal story, but I know that you hurt!

Abuse predetermined - not when you were born ....but if some bastard thought that you were 'groomable material', then it may have been predetermined on his/her part... not your fault (speaking from personal experience).

Your soul is not dead...you are seeking out like minded individuals here - there are many of us!

I only just made it into this year - I am going to be around for many more..... come on take some of my strength & take a little bit of strength from everyone else here. I f yo only take about 1% from each of us, then you will have 1800% of what a person needs.

It does hurt...but we must beat it...best wishes ..Rik
 
Michaelb,

I agree that it is tough, but you know, you are a tough dude. I know that Christ can use you and has grace waiting for you to just pick it up. I do not know exactly what your specific daily struggles are, but I feel like my whole life is a big screw up. However, my therapist constantly puts pictures and examples in my head to force me to see that it is not screwed up. He has first had knowledge since I knew of him before I started seeing him and he knew of me because we have friends in common at the church I attend. I hope that you can separate your feeling and see some facts around you about how people care about you. Someone cares for you. Actually a lot of folks care. If it helps to think about that without emotions, then go ahead. The facts, Christ loves you. Your brothers here love you. You have been through something bad. You are a survivor. You have something to offer. The effects of the abuse are tough. God is tougher.

I look back at a some of the information from Jim Hoppers website (I think - https://www.jimhopper.com/male-ab/#pref) under long range issues affecting male abuse survivors such as: anxiety, depression, dissociation, hostility and anger, impaired relationships, low self-esteem, sexual dysfunction, sleep disturbance, suicidal ideas and behavior. At some point a lot of these my dwell in my mind but I do not necessarily allow them to surface. I would encourage you to find a little something that can let your mind rest from abuse topics and enjoy a few moments. If you look at this site, it is not meant to discourage, but to encourage you to let you know that you are not alone in what you feel. I hope it encourages you to see where you are and where you can start to grow. Remember that the Enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy. If you are a believer in Christ, you know that He has defeated the enemy. The enemy knows that but tries to convince us that we are worthless and to not try to help others. If your struggles are deep, then your courage and capacity to help others and to give to others is even deeper. Dont let the confusion of the abuse make you think I LET IT KILL MY SOUL. You know whose got your soul. It maybe that your will to live that is struggling because the only rest you see is that eternal rest. However, wait on the Lord. Our eternal rest will come when He wants us. Until then, you and I and others need to work on resting our minds while we live day to day. Work on ways to relax, rest, get refreshed, and take care of yourself through some activity or other friends or by helping others. (It is easier said than done, but it is possible.)

I am glad that you posted. I visit this site about once a week or so and always feel too exhausted to post a reply (and honestly dont feel worth it.) I felt a need to post on this topic for you and for me. I am trying to make connections again through personal notes of encouragement to friends - most that have no clue of my issues or depression that I battle, but that does not matter. I am more than my abuse and so are you. It helps me to fight off the lies that I have tangled in my brain from the sexual, emotional, and verbal abuse. For me it can be exhausting at times, but it does come back multiplied and it is worth it.

So set aside time to deal with your abuse and the effects of it, then give it a rest and enjoy some of your talent and good qualities. I used to hate when counselors would tell me to take the good qualities in me and expand on it and take the bad experiences like the abuse and get rid of them. My reply which I think is true in my life is that: To me, my personality, my family life, social experiences and abuses have shaped me like baking a cake. Alone, the raw egg of abuse may have been bad, but through the mixing and baking process, it has made my personality what it is today - something good all together. Just like one can not go back and retrieve the egg out of a baked cake, I can not take the bad sexual experience out of my life; however, I need to continue to grow the good qualities that may be directly or indirectly caused by the abuse. I can empathize, be sensitive, be a listener, be and encourager, and be a good giving and honest friend (at least Ive been told.) So most folks enjoy a good cake. Share your gifts and uniqueness that Christ has allowed you to become. (PS. Keep this note just in case you have to send it back to me someday.)

God bless.

Sorry for the long response it seems to be the norm for me.

Later
 
Michael, as I read your posts I get the idea that you do not want to die anymore than any of us do. What you want is to be free of, or at the very least to have less, pain.

We can get overwhelmed by it all at times. I have a lot of physical pain and no hope for major change. I wear a bracelet that tells EMT's to not resuscitate me. But if you look deep enough, I truly want to live--it just seems that for several decades now, I have not been living, just getting by.

When we are in a time like that it is important to be with people who can think clearly for us, because we certainly cannot think clearly for ourselves.

You have done the best thing you can by letting people know how profound your pain is. It is sad, but I doubt that anyone other than another survivor can understand how far ranging and devastating the effects of CSA are. But, we can keep talking about it, honoring our own and our fellows pain, and we can try our best to speak it from the housetops that men are human beings and that torture and humiliation harm us just as much as it does prisoners in Iraq or any place or time when people are dehumanized.

Fight the good fight. The freedom you seek is here, not in a grave. Your posts make all of us come to a deeper understanding, and a deeper level of committment to each other and to advocacy for the kids being harmed as we read this.

I truly wish you did not hurt so much. But, you do and I am totally impotent to do anything about it, except to believe in you, and in the process of healing. Keep working at it and keep talking about it. That way I hope you get to feel some relief and we all get to understand that we need to work our butts off in this recovery stuff--no long vacations in that. Thank you for reminding me that I need to put more effort into finding some solutions that work at least a little.

Bob
 
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