Not being able to say NO

Not being able to say NO
A coworker of mine said her husband got a deal on a queen size mattress and if they could order 2 they would get a better one. Orginally I said I'd have to think about it. But they kept pressing me and I gave in. Now I was thinking about getting one before to get a better nights sleep, however I dismissed it as I felt that I shouldn't spend the money.

My problem is that I hate that I can't say NO, I always break under pressure.

Jason
 
Jason,

Do you think it is wrong of you to say the word "no." Is it fear of not making the other person happy. Fear that they may not like you any more? You are your own person and have a right to say "no" to anything you dont want.

lots of love, Nathan
 
it's your money dude - you can say

NO!!!!!!

that's your right!

mgb
 
Jason
I was exactly the same. A few years ago when I was renovating the old cottage we live in I went out one Saturday afternoon to buy a cheap pick up.
But I came home with an expensive MGB Roadster.

I still fall for car salesmen, I never buy what I set out to buy.

But with other people I am starting to stand up and say "no". And very few people get offended, who cares anyway ?

If they ask a question, there's got to be more than one answer.

Dave
 
This actually came up in another discussion I was having with someone. I have a terrible time saying no to anyone, and most especially to my mom. I try to do everything at work--I'm the IT guy, the web site guy, the manager of my sales department, I stick my nose into everything. If you can believe it, I even put a bid in one time to also do the janitorial, because the current cleaning people were doing a terrible job. People ask me to do something I know I can't do, and I say yes. Then I spend days learning an entirely new subject to I will know what I'm doing. I drive myself nuts.

I talked to my therapist on Tuesday and all of this came up. My parents are impossible to please. I got straight A's in school, mastered the piano, did missionary stuff for the church, became the perfect reader, speaker, blah, blah, blah, gag--killed myself in other words, to please them. It was never good enough. My mom always worked harder, my dad was always smarter, and my unending efforts did nothing but irritate them. Dispite all my work, I was always in their way, underfoot, distracting them from more important things. I tried to play soft piano music in the evenings, and my dad would tell me to stop. It was bothering him. Did I stop? Yes. They didn't love, they didn't touch. There was a catch. My uncle "did" when he SA me. In my mind, the only way I could be acceptable to anyone was just to say yes. Work harder? Yes. Do this for me? Yes. Let me use you? Yes. I will beat you, so are you going to do what you're told? Yes. Saying "no" would have been like recognizing that there was no way I could please any of those evil people. Besides that, it was a sure way to get hurt. As long as I could say "yes", I thought I had control. As long as I said "yes", I was a good person.

Today my mom calls and asks if we'll meet them for lunch. I say yes. Will I mail them copies of some magazine that they want to read? Yes. Will I sell a piece of junk out of their garage for way too much money that no one in their right mind would buy? Yes. My boss asks if I wil go to a meeting that is too far to get to in time. Yes. Can I do everything on the planet to make everybody happy while killing myself? Yes.

This has got to stop. It's hanging onto the hope that a good apple can come from a poisonous tree. That my parents will come up to me and tell me how proud they are of me. That they'll say I'm a good person and all that I've done is so good. And then a pig will fly over the house and I'll realize I must be in the Twilight Zone.

My therapist and I agree that I've got to say that magic word to my mom and to everyone else demanding more than I have: "No"

I hope you can bring yourself to say no. I think it would change our lives.
 
Lloydy, do you still have the Roadster???

They keep following me home, too. But it is because I don't want them to feel unwanted! I did just sell My 74 MGB/GT because I jksut didn't have time to drive it, but I still have a Roadster and another GT in storage.

Seriously, I also was never able to say no to anything. Only lately after acknowledging what happened and how it affected my total being was I able to start saying no. It is still difficult, but like all other skills, you just have to keep practicing.
 
I guess deep down I do it because I don't want people to notice my flaws, if I'm nice to them maybe they won't notice what an incompetant stupid ugly nerdy misfit I am.
 
If I'm nice to them maybe they won't notice what an incompetant stupid ugly nerdy misfit I am.
You aren't. We aren't. But I know that feeling. In reality, we're competant, smart, handsome, cool people who belong way more than those who did this to us. [I could hardly type that! I guess that shows how trained we are.]
 
Sorry Jason, I was so pissed for you, I couldn't really say anything constructive up there, although you can still back out even if that thing is already in your room.

I also didn't say that I couldn't say no until reciently. I guess it's a learned skill.

We should figure out a way to teach this stuff...

Hmmmmm....
 
Learning to say "no" is tough to master when you didn't say "no" to your abuser. When you denied later that anything wrong had happened. When you are dying for a little positive attention and recognition - not sex. All you can do is give, give, give, or they take, or you won't be liked, etc.
It is tough to overcome that talk that rattles around in your head. You spend half the day wondering what will happen if you decline the latest request of your time or the latest small imposition. You give up everything, and there's nothing left for you. But that's OK 'cause you don't have much regard for "you" anyway.
Getting beyond all that takes a lot of work and some days you just don't have enough reserve self-esteem (assuming you have any). Wow, I sound really depressing. Sorry about that. I'll come back with something more positive.
 
It may sound depressing, but it is so true. What you have just written describes me exactly.

We just have to keep working on it. We all have to learn to be whole. I wish I knew some kind of quick magical cure, but I don't. I just want to live long enough to conquer my demons and to learn a true path.

I feel more alone now than ever, but this path to overcoming requires such an inward-focused state of being that no one else much wants to be a part of. It is necessary, but extemely difficult.
 
And we are so flawed otherwise, to say 'no' just is another thing to draw attention to what bad people we are. That people's 'like' for us is just hanging by the thread, and that 'no' will finish it off.

Maybe you can practice with smaller things? Just little things, that really do not matter so much one way or the other, and work your way up to the more importent? All things, I think, are easier with practice.

Leosha
 
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