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Two friends tell me of here. That it is help to them. I write this with translation to help. To read anything here, it will need be same, for now anyway.

I think now it is bad. I think I have known before it is wrong. Now I think it is bad too.

Earliest memory, my mom, she is on the bed with me. She is telling me something to do to her, and I am already knowing of what she means. I am three or four years old. Not yet in school. But already learning it seem.

My sister shared room with me. This happens for all the time I am at home. She must know. Right? I do not know, we never have talked of it. She will be here to visit next week. I do not know if I can talk to her.

Our father always drink to much, and hit to much. It is perhaps sad, someone to be so unhappy. I do not feel sad for him. I guess how I feel of him is between myself and my God. But I feel no sympathy for him. At some time, I was able to keep him from hurting my sister. And protect my mother. Interesting, that choice.

My sister leave home when I am 15 years old. I leave the next week, go to different city. Know nothing, still have one year left in school. Nothing to work as a job. What do you do? You do what you know, I guess, what you are good at. I did that. Made money from older ladies who want a young person to be with. Sometime would have somewhere to stay for a few days or week. Also have done some photos, not 'family' kind, and movies. Again, not family kind. No one know I am 15, 16 years old. No one ask. If they ask, would they care? Don't know. Then something happen that just almost kill me, and I end up back near home. Live with my aunt for few months, until she died. Then back at home. Things start again. Just as I have not left.

Even now. Even last year, I engage in that with my mother. Even this year, she try that with me. I am not a child. This is not child abuse. I am 26 years old now. It is me doing it. Perhaps I can lay blame to her for what is from before. Who is to blame now? My father, for most part, ignores me now. It is not so fun to beat on someone large enough to fight back, and other then few isolated times, he have not. My mother won't ignore me. Not enough luck of that.

How much is it abuse when there is not force, there is not violence? When she was my mother, and was gentle and 'loving' with me, and teach me how to be with other women? My father abused me, yes. My mother? From what I know of my two friends, it seems it is very different then this. Can it be called the same thing, if it is so very different in how it occurs?

And what is it, when you know it will happen again if you go home, and still, you go home, and let it. What is that?

I am questioning my belonging here.

VN
 
Unfortunately, I think you do belong here and I'm sorry if this does not help. I'm still under the influence of some heavy pain meds.

What your mom did to you is not okay, moms, dads, grown ups anyone is not supposed to take advantage of you in that way. I'm going to stop before I stop making sense or saying something I may regret later.

I'm sorry you are going through this, this site has helped me a lot and it gets easier to talk/write about what happened.
 
I won't be wordy. Welcome here my friend. I know you will get some good feedback.

Leosha
 
hello and welcome. I too am sorry you had to find this place but am happy you did.

I too was abused by my mother and IT IS NEVER OUR FAULT.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.

Jonathan
 
VN,

It is good to meet you my friend. Abuse is abuse, there does not need to be force. As your life has shown you have been abused without force sometimes. The threat of physical force does not make the sexual abuse of a child any less abusive or hurtful. You where abused and you are not alone in your pain. Their are alot of loving and caring people here who can offer their support and own experiences to show you are not alone.

I would assume you feel guilty about returning home and letting your mom abuse you? Abuse is abuse no matter what the age is 3,4,5,12,16,36,36, etc.... You went home to see your family, not to be abused. Home is suppose to be safe you may have though you where going to be abused by her but you wanted to come home. When you came home she abused you once more. You are strong enough now to know that this is wrong and that things must change.

So she is coming up to visit you in a week. That gives you time to try and work out your feelings for her. What are you feelings towards here right now? What do you think of her right now? As in life only answer what you can and feel comfortable answering.

I have probly gone on long enough for you. The most important things to know is...

One: You are not alone
Two: It was not your fault
Three: It was abuse
Four: You are stronger enough to over come this abuse. You are stronger then your mother and father.

lots of love, Nathan
 
VN - you may be older now, but you were conditioned when you were younger, and this is the reason that it is difficult to escape from this behaviour.

Try reading some basic Psychology...of particular interest is 'Pavlov's Dogs'.

I'm not comparing anyone here to being a dog, but it may give you an insight into how conditioning develops. *just one of those things I picked up on a Teacher Training course years ago - makes a lot of sense to me.

Hope this is of some help....Rik
 
VN - I'm sorry your abuse is lasting soooo long but definitely glad you found the site. The person referring you here is a good friend! You are 26 years old in most areas of you life BUT when mom is around you, you become like the 15 year old boy. The dynamics and relationship between you both is still like the early relationship. You were not able to protect yourself from mom at 15 and that 15 year old isn't protecting you now. Your move to protect yourself can be: (1) set up boundaries that if she crosses them or you feel weak, leave and go somewhere else until you get control again; (2) when you feel you are becoming like the 15 year old, call your friend for support; (3) tell her she can't come because of a change of plans; "radical avoidance" is good until you can, through therapy, set boundaries for safety. What she did and is doing TO YOU is wrong; not your fault; and you need it to stop. She won't so you must!! It is not easy and you have years and years of built up traumas to overcome as well. I want you to know that you can stop this with help, support and a plan. Let me know how things go!

Howard
 
Thank you to everyone who answers me. I really read that you speak. It is difficult to trust this, which - not I, which made incorrectly, that it - something she made. It - not mother who visits tomorrow, it is sister. I want conversation with her it, I do not know as. I have no one of the friend here to transfer it, I use the computer translator. It is silly, not directly.

VN
 
Originally posted by VN:
Thank you to everyone who answers me. I really read that you speak. It is difficult to trust this, which - not I, which made incorrectly, that it - something she made. It - not mother who visits tomorrow, it is sister. I want conversation with her it, I do not know as. I have no one of the friend here to transfer it, I use the computer translator. It is silly, not directly.

VN
Oh my. It is the revenge of Babelfish, Lord of the online translators! :D

Serious, I am not quite sure of what you were fully trying to say here, to be able to clarify it. Please let me or your other friend know if you need help to post or read something in a way that makes a bit more sense!

Leosha
 
VN,

Welcome to Male Survivor. I'm very glad you came here. You don't know me, but I know your friends. I have been praying for you for a long time.

Maybe it's because I know your friends, but I understood everything you wrote. In fact, when I read your initial post, I realized that it was your sister, and not your Mom that was coming to visit.

V, I think you will know when it is the right time to talk to your sister about what she did or didn't see growing up. As difficult as it is for you, wondering what your sister knows or doesn't know, it has to be just as confusing for your sister. What should she say? Should she say anything? Should she just igonore it all? V, she will eventually give hints as to what she knows or give hints as to what she is ready to hear from you. You have needs, too. If you feel that you need for her to know what went on between you and your Mom, then you need to find a way to talk to her. V, she already knows that abuse was going on in the house or there would have been no need for you to rescue/protect her from your father.

I want you to realize also, what several of the others have told you here. Yes, you are 26 yrs old, but you were abused by the ones that you looked up to, the ones who were supposed to take care of you. Your parents were the authority figures in your home. You had no choice. We are, as Rik stated, conditioned by our parents. There will always be some amount, no matter how small, of feelings of submission to your parent's authority. You realize now that their authority is warped. But V, the conditioning is still there. You were at their mercy and whims for years. It will take time for you to break complelety free, but you're now strong enough to do it, with help, if you must. Read Howard's response again and again. Use the help that is available to you.

I'm sorry I'm so wordy. Please get one of your friends to translate this for you. I'm so glad and proud of you for deciding to deal with these issues. As you can see from this site, unfortunately there are many,many others of us dealing with the same or similar issues. Together, though, we can get stronger and overcome these issues. V, know that you are not alone. Know that you have two of the best friends you could ever ask for right there with you. They truly love you, and want only to see good things happen in your life from here on.

I don't speak your language, but feel free to send a PM anytime you want. Like I said, I have learned to read 'broken English' pretty well from you friends. They can also testify as to how my dyslexia can hamper translation of the English language, too. You can say whatever you want to me. Also, ask your friends for my personal email address if you wish. They know they can give it to you.

Good luck, V, and "Welcome" again!
 
Originally posted by VN:
Thank you to everyone who answers me. I really read that you speak. It is difficult to trust this, which - not I, which made incorrectly, that it - something she made. It - not mother who visits tomorrow, it is sister. I want conversation with her it, I do not know as. I have no one of the friend here to transfer it, I use the computer translator. It is silly, not directly.

VN
V,

I think I understand this.

You are saying that it is still hard to believe that your mother did something wrong.

You still think that what happened when you became a teenager and then a man was your decision, your responsibility.

No, V. A mother does not teach her son to be with women. Not like that. That is not a mother's job.

A mother teaches her son to respect women; how to treat women; maybe how to dance with a woman; NOT how to be with a woman.

V, this is very difficult. You will feel bad to think bad and wrong things of your mother. You might feel very bad, like a very bad son, but you are not a bad son, or a bad person.

Your mother was wrong and she was bad. NOT YOU. You know this. You can forgive her maybe someday, but you will not let this happen again.

Yes, anything you did was your choice, but it was not really much of a choice for you. It was what you were taught your whole life. Now you can see it is wrong and you can stop all of it.

I know it is easier to think that you did the things you wanted to do. It is easier to think that you were bad or wrong because it hurts too much to think that someone so important was bad and wrong and taught you wrong things.

And it hurts to think that they tricked you and lied to you and made you think that those things are OK and they made you think you had no other choices.

Now you are a man, and I know you are a good man because you have some very good people who are your friends.

And now you have many more friends here who will be here for you and help you in any way we can.

Thank you for coming here, V. You make us stronger and better. Let us do the same for you.

Donald
 
Thanks is more, for others, adequate, to what I speak here. Again, I regret from the translator, I know, that it is better to ask the friend doing it, but there is no that here now. I do not speak no more with my father. My mother, she will name me once or two times in two years with which I am here then now she continues to call for two weeks, I speak it to forget telephone number, I shall never want conversation with it no more. ALSO, I name her even bad glory, I yell in it, she still calls for me. She speaks, that I need and I want from it. My sister, she arrives here today, she - here first time now for visiting, and I am happy, but also and, I feel something, that I do not know. She has no, speaks anything to me, that I speak parents, she still lives in city with them, still speaks the some people with them. I feel strange in me, that she sees me, I am excellent, that she does not want me as the brother no more, and I lose family. And even I have friends, they are good friends, I feel the some people, I am one in family. I have more damaged in a body today, it does always me to think more than things. It is possible to sleep tonight, we shall see tomorrow as it is good day. I only feel, that I am wrong in my brain tonight.

VN
 
V,

I think your mother is calling so much recently because she is afraid. She is afraid that you will say things to your sister. So your mother tries to convince you that you want and need. Again she tries to control you so you will do what she wants.

I understand it was a difficult day to be thinking about these things when your sister is coming. You do not know what she will say or think. You do not know what your mother and father have said to her.

Be strong V. If your sister wants to talk, tell her the truth. If she doesn't believe you then that is her decision, but still she will know the truth.

If she doesn't want to talk about these things, then just be a good brother to her and enjoy the visit with her.

But do not let her speak for your mother or father. Do not let your parents use your sister and your loyalty to control you or make you feel guilty. Your parents must speak for themselves. They must answer for what they have done.

I hope I am wrong and your sister is coming just to see you.

Best wishes for tomorrow. I hope this visit is wonderful and you have a good time.

Donald
 
V. What your mother did was abuse and it has continued and that is a fact. You were trained like a rat. The confusion felt by many is: How do I try and love and please my mother as a son and at the same time she does this to me that I know is wrong. V she had no right at all to force this on you.
I am glad that you have broken contact with her. I think it will be good for you to see your sister. There may be an opportunity for you to speak about this but only you can decide if the time is right.

Always remember that you have great friends to lean on.
 
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