new here, long story, want feedback (triggers)

new here, long story, want feedback (triggers)

rumpole1954

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Hi all,

Just learned about this site. Been reading posts for about a week now. Guess it's time to say hello, tell my story, troll for feedback. Here's the tale, sorry it's so long:

I am now 52 years old. At a young age (5? 6?), I recall my mother putting me and sister (2 yrs older) up on her bed and giving us enemas. Shortly afterward, I was in the hospital for something, never learned what, and was given enemas in the hospital, twice that I recall. (Mom was also into rectal thermometers, another repetitive experience of childhood anal penetration for me). The effect on me of the enemas was powerful. Within a short time, I had the neighbor girl behind the garage, pushing a stick into my anus, and me trying to get her to try it. Breathless, heart pounding acting out, by age 6. Soon after, I started giving myself enemas in secret, and thus began my secret life, my shameful secret anal fetish.

This went on for years. By my teen years, I linked my anal fetish with masturbation, eventually graduating from enemas to dildos. I craved that anal stimulation and penetration. The thought of talking to anyone about it was unthinkable, and the dirty secret started eroding my soul. Having a shame driven secret, particularly this one, took a huge toll on me, as did the abuse itself. Basically, my masculinity and sense of self were compromised in many ways. And, of course, the question raised by my anal obsession: Was I gay? I was too scared even to think about that question, in case the answer might be yes. But I didn't feel attracted to guys, I longed for a girlfriend, yet was hopelessly inept with girls, so self conscious, couldnt talk to them, couldn't be myself around them. I was like Woody Allen in the movie Play It Again Sam.

After painful rejections by my male friends in high school (excluded from their cliques, etc), and still unable to connect with girls, isolated and miserable, I discovered drugs and alcohol -- paradise! -- and was the class drunk by senior year. My dad was basically absent, a model of neglect; altho I was a good athlete and played sports in school, my parents never attended a single game, for example. By senior year, I was at war with my parents, especially my mother, who was even more psychologically intrusive than she had been physically. I moved out at age 17. Within a few years, I had become a hippie, traveled the country, got involved with new age gurus, cults and communes, more drugs (hey, it was the early 70s!). But couldn't manage to get in a relationship.

Ended up in a bizarre Christian religious cult, that had very strict rules about sex and dating (and everthing else, so alcohol and drugs were also out). Was in this thing for years (which I have learned is not uncommon for victims of CSA, seeking an environment where they can avoid dealing with sexual issues), during which I went to college, law school, got married even. Wife knew nothing of my secret sexual fetish, I was too embarrassed to tell her, and so a big part of my true self was hidden from her, split off. Our sex life was awful, we couldn't talk to each other about it; we went thru the motions of marriage but I was never fully connected, because I couldn't open myself up to her, always hiding a huge part of myself. My fault, not hers.

Eventually the cult breaks up, we have a child and move to a new city. I start drinking again, big time. At this point I hate myself for wasting years of my life in a stupid religious cult, married to a woman I don't love, still trapped in my secret sexual obsession, isolated and miserable. My sexual secret life (as well as my drinking) is becoming compulsive; going to adult bookstores, obsessed with porn, looking for the heart pounding breathless sexual thrill, which seemed to provide a powerful, if temporary, escape for me.

It's progressing. I discover the internet. Chatrooms. Getting bored with dildos, I start wondering and fantasizing about the ultimate taboo, actually having sex with a guy; the idea is both exciting and repulsive all at once. Eventually, I make the horrible decision to start down that road, using the internet to set up anonymous sexual encounters with men in hotels while traveling on business - always drunk/stoned, feeling humiliated and guilty afterwards. At this point I feel completely out of control; can't stop the drinking, and when drunk and unsupervised, can't seem to stop myself from acting out with men, even though I have a wife at home, and a young daughter. I drown the guilt with alcohol, and the cycle continues.

Wife remains in the dark but knows something is bad, bad wrong with the drinking, plus suspects infidelity. Asks for divorce after 15 years of marriage. In a panic, I go to an AA meeting, knew I was an alcoholic but didn't have the guts to address that problem, and really didn't want to, but the prospect of losing my family shocked me into action. AA got me off the alcohol but she divorced me anyway. Found myself still unable to disclose my sexual secret life, so I was unable to do a complete 4th and 5th step in the AA program (which requires taking a "fearless moral inventory" of myself, and then telling another human being the "exact nature of our wrongs."

The folks in AA say "you are as sick as your secrets" and I discovered it's true: I couldn't stop acting out with men as long as I kept my secret, drink or no drink. And I didn't stop; I continued to occasionally act out sexually with men (and resorted to pot and poppers, instead of booze, but still needed to be intoxicated), even while in a serious relationship with a woman; none of these relationships never went anywhere, because I couldn't be fully honest and come clean about my sexual past; I couldn't open myself up emotionally while continuing to protect the secrets.

Finally met and fell deeply in love with an incredible woman. Someone I thought I could tell my story to. Our sex life was awesome. After six months together, but before I found the courage to tell her my secret, she found my AA 4th step notebook, in which I had written about having sex with men. In a panic, she confronted me about it, shocked and horrified -- rightly so -- that I had done this behind the women's backs, exposing them to risk of STD's, etc. Because of this, the seemingly wonderful man she thought she knew and loved had become a monster overnight to her.

I was mortified at being found out, but determined to be honest with her and break the secret, I blurted out the whole story to her, a terrible torrent of information that was utterly horrifying to her. There followed months of intense pain and conflict between us, trying to figure all this out.

She persuaded me to start therapy, I've been going for 10 months. She hasn't exactly left me, but she remains at a safe distance, trying to figure out if she can ever be in a committed relationship with me. She says she still loves me, but she is afraid I'll act out again with men and treat her as I did all the others; that because the sex with men, and the deceitful and heartless mistreatment of the women in my life, went on for so many years (and mainly because of a sexual relationship I had with a particular guy that went on for much of that time), it seems to her that "sexual addiction" or "acting out childhood sexual trauma" is just not a sufficient explanation for my behavior.

I think she fears that, regardless of the effect of the abuse, or maybe as a result of it or in addition to it, I appear to have a strong sexual attraction -- however that might be described or defined -- to men, which feels very threatening to her, to her sexuality; she feels that she would be in compettion with men, that I prefer men sexually as much as, or even more than, women. Despite what I say to the contrary, it appears to her that men are just more important to me than women are, period! It's a very scary thing for her. She is deeply hurt and confused. Meanwhile, I am still deeply in love with her and don't want to lose her or hurt her more than I already have.

She needs me to open up to her about my feelings, my fantasies, my secret interior emotional life, so that she can understand me and, perhaps, stay in my life. I often find this very hard to do, because I say many contradictory and confusing things, and often draw blanks when she asks how I feel about certain things. She gets very frustrated with me. For example, it makes no sense to her that I say I am not "attracted" to men, despite a decade of secret sex with men, at the cost of a marriage, other relationships with women, etc. Yet, it's true that I feel no real attraction to men (as I define it): don't want to hold them or be held by them, don't get a jolt out of looking at them, have no romantic/emotional longings for men; yet I did get pleasure from being anally penetrated by them. On the other hand, I feel strongly attracted to women; my emotional, romantic longings are directed solely to women; I love their touch, looking at them, feeling intense desire for them. Although my sex life with woman before I met her was not very good, our sex life was incredible, like nothing I'd ever known -- until things went awry with her discovery of the notebooks.

To me, the whole sex with guys stuff is basically pathological, rooted in the abuse trauma and rssulting anal fetish, and not due to my fundamental sexual orientation; I fundamentally feel and identify as straight, yet, due to the enemas and what came after, the anal fascination remains, as, I suppose, does my capacity for enjoying sex with men (although it's been a couple years now). I don't feel controlled by my anal fetish now, though.

It's a struggle to sort all this out. I relate to the posts by guys abused by women; I see that, like many of them, I became very submissive, not only sexually but psychologically, and subjected myself repeatedly to men in various settings. I do have sexual fantasies involving men, which is hard to talk to my girlfriend about. (Which is stupid, since she knows what I did in real life). And so on. Therapy has been very helpful; at least, the terrible secret is, at last, no longer secret, and the power of it has all but evaporated; I even went to my ex-wife and confessed the whole thing to her; angel that she is, she forgave me and was grateful that I was able to tell her the truth and validate her own feelings, misgivings and confusion back then. (She is outraged at my mother, as is my girlfriend; being mothers, they are way more in touch with the abusive nature of what my mother was doing to me than I am right now).

Can anybody out there relate to my crazy story? If so, how have you dealt what happened, how have you reclaimed your masculinity, your ability to open up fully to women, to connect to your feelings, and so on? Thanks for reading and for any feedback, sorry this was so long.

R
 
Yes, so can hundreds of others.
What is masculinity? Does sexuality determine masculinity? How does your therapist define it?
We can not open up to all people, men and women. We don't have to.

For me I need their trust, male or female, and I work slowly. If someone cares, they will listen but it all takes time. It took a while to be put in this state and will take a while to get out, but hopefully a lot faster.

Others will have other answers and I should be in bed.

froggy
 
Rumpole,

Welcome. I saw you join a week or so ago and Im glad you got to post. I like to keep an eye on new people joining and try to say hi and welcome as soon as I can. I know it can be very scary and overwhelming when you first sin up (it was for me).

Youve written so much and with such clarity. Of course each of us will have a different story but I can relate so some of the issues you are trying to deal with. Others here will be able to also. You are not alone.

You will get to deal with all this stuff. It will take time sad to day.

Good to have you here with us.
 
R
Welcome. As you probably know, you're in the right place. Much of your story could be echoed by hundreds of guys here. I think it is amazing that the story of the abuse may be different, but the similarities in response are frighteningly familiar. There certainly is hope for you and for your relationships. It's a long road and a lot of work. Unfortunately it's also very hard, very sad and will be rough. But it's worth it. Ask any guy here who is farther down the road. I'm sure that even posting here you can sense the beginnings of change in you and with your T, it will happen.
Paul
 
Welcome. My natural orientation was altered just like yours, in my early years, just like yours, and it (the effects of the the abuse) manifested itself in ways much like yours.

Is your Mother still alive? I think you need to have a "conversation" with her. Is your Father still alive? What was he doing when this stuff was going on? All this is HER fault. Would you have had any of these issues had she not violated your innocence and trust as I child? I doubt it very much.
 
Hi R,

I was wandering about back in the recent archives and discovered your post. It's disheartening to look back on ones life and see the mess that's been made of it, brought on by the acts of others and made worse by our own. I don't think there is a man here who hasn't felt that many times over the years.

You've come to the right place to talk about it. I hope you will. It can be so very frightening to spill all this stuff. The anonymity of this place can take some of the sting out of disclosing. I'd encourage you to keep talking here with us. Have you tried therapy? If so have you found it possible to speak about this with the therapist. If not, I'd encourage you to do so. Whatever the case, please continue to interact with someone regarding these issues. It's the only way of getting past them, the only way to recovery is right through the middle of the things we fear the most. We'll be here to support you on that journey should you choose to take it, Bro.

Lots of love,

John
 
Rumpole1954,

I had a mother who did some nasty stuff and it has deeply affected my ability to relate to women. If you would like to know more, please PM me and I'll be happy to fill you on tings. But I am working that out now, and I want to let you know that these issues can be resolved. We're all works in progress on here. You came to the right place.

Dean1320,

that is a good topic I consider open for debate. I would like to suggest, however, that it would be good if a seperate thread on that topic were started, lest too much subtract from the purpose of this particular thread.
 
R,

I can relate. I had a mother and an older sister who gave me enemas when I was quite young. I too have had, or maybe it would be more honest to say have an anal fetish. I also understand very well the problems this brings into a relationship with a woman. I say this only to let you know that you are not alone. Trust me on this one bro, there is hope; there is healing.

It sounds to me like you have already taken the most difficult step, disclosure. I would encourage you to continue this journey that you have started. Be willing to do what ever it takes to get to the goal of having a functional life. I took the first step of my own journey in 1989 and I will tell you that it has been a very, very rough road. Tears, counseling, anger, rage, more tears, more counseling and more and more. . . Until I felt I could take no more.

Let me tell you something my friend, the pain and darkness in the roughness of the road pales as you emerge on the other side. You'll find that there is a place where healing lives and is strong. In this place you will find that the pain and damage of an abusive past slowly looses its strength and power over you. Yes, the journey continues, and will for the rest of your life, but lessons learned along the way become tools in your hands to make the road you travel easier.

So hang-in-there! Get the counseling you may need, keep coming here and talking to us. This is the most supportive place I have ever found. Do the things you need to do. Set your own pace, dont let anybody rush you or tell you how it should be done. (kinda like Im doing now) You will find the result of your efforts very much worth the energy expended.

You are a good man. You are worth the effort!

Love ya
Darrel
 
rumpole1954,

You're in a good place here. You've gotten a lot of good advice from these guys so far. Let me throw in my two cents.

Stick with the therapy. Try not to measure yourself or your progress by where you think you should be. When you can't avoid trying to measure, then look back at where you once were, not at where you haven't yet reached.

Nurture your spirituality. I often feel that the people who suffered at the hands of their spiritual leaders suffered an additional loss. My religion has been a source of comfort and strength for me. I hope your relationship with your Higher Power will deepen as you continue moving forward.

Everyone has difficulty with relationships. Even without an abuse history like ours, people are out there having to learn as they go. It's a pity so many people, male and female, try to hide from the learning. The fact that you have the courage to face the worst of what life brought your way and make changes in yourself and your life puts you WAY ahead of the pack.

I don't mean to minimize the effects of CSA. Those of us who've been there know it's affected us in more ways than we can describe. But it is not who we are. None of us is merely the sum of what was done to us.

You've accomplished a lot. Your honesty now in working your program, your disclosure about the abuse and acting out to yourself, your girlfriend, and others, your finding the courage to come here are each significant stepping stones on your path to recovery. Take pride in them. No matter who did what when in your past, you are the do-er in the present, building a hopeful future for yourself, those you love, and those who love you. Survivor or not, who could ask for more than that?

Thanks,

Joe
 
Hello Rumpole and welcome. I am new here as well. I have been reading a lot of posts and getting involved. I have been avoiding posting my story because it is a long one as well.

I feel that before posting my story in full, I should get back into active therapy.

I did read your story and relate to lot of it. Especially the drugs and alcohol and acting out.

I went to AA as well, I went to rehab. I went in and out of the AA program for years! I also was perpetrated in AA on many levels which has excluded me from any active participation for me in AA.

I too wrote out a very lengthy 4th step, which the response to my 5th step was violated and my trust of the program ended for me, permanently.

I mention this not in an effort to discourage you in any way from sobriety through AA. It was merely my experience. That said:

Your wife found your 4th step and read it without your permission which is a violation of your privacy and trust, which forced things out in the open before you were able to organize, understand, and be able to present and work out with your sponsor the steps that would lead to handling the remaining steps toward the spirituality that is promised by way of this process.

The steps are in that order for a reason. She has put your program at risk because of her fears, and now your priority has changed to protecting your marriage, regaining her trust and comfort.

May I suggest that she attend a hardcore Ala-non group and immediately be thrust into participating by sharing with this group how she found and read your 4th step without your permission and her reaction to it, towards you and the relationship.

I am sorry, I just get so damn mad sometimes because the road to hell is paved with good intentions!

What you were doing with your recovery is courageous, brave and commendable.

And what has happened could jeopardize everything and it would not be your fault.

And yes, our acting out and behaviors as the result of our abuse has adverse effects in our ability to enter and participate in healthy relationships. It is a certain fact that as adults we are responsible for changing our behaviors. And it sounds to me like you are doing that to the best of your ability.

You are in my prayers, brave friend. And I heartily agree with outis aka; Joe.

DK
 
Thanks to all of you who responded to my post; I appreciate the warm welcome and kind support. Sorry I've not reported back sooner; my willingness to dig around on this site -- and in my own self -- comes and goes in waves; there are a lot of times when i can't muster the psychic energy to dig into this stuff; my pattern is to just deal with it when a crisis forces me to, otherwise to ignore it all and maybe it will go away, which, of course, doesn't work.

Here are some more thoughts, some in response to the responses, some just rambling.

First, to DK, thanks for posting; sorry you had such a bad experience with AA, my own experience has been good. I understand you were writing out of your experience, which is different than mine, and you weren't trying to export your anger to me. I wanted to respond to a couple things you said, as my view on some of these things is a bit different; it was my girlfriend (K) -- not my wife, we're not married -- that found the notebooks, and I'm glad she did, because it was a needed catalyst for me to address these issues. I regret she found them only because of the intense pain in has caused her, not because my privacy was violated (which was nothing compared to the extent I had violated others' privacy by my conduct); while I like to think i would have gotten around to addressing all these things without her forcing the issue, there's no knowing for sure, and my pattern suggests otherwise. she could have dropped me like a hot potato a long time ago, but has stuck with me, through incredible pain and conflict, while I thrash around and ever so slowly make headway; if not for her, I would not have gotten into therapy, or been forced to look deeply and thoroughly at myself -- i am great at avoiding that. Her finding the notebooks did not jeopardize my sobriety or my program, quite the contrary -- it helped me accomplish what I had been avoiding: admitting to another human being the exact nature of my wrongs, owning my conduct, and getting down to "causes and conditions."

Also, these kinds of issues are not, in my view, within the purview of what an AA sponsor should be trying to help a sponsee with; any sponsor worth their salt would recognize that these are "outside issues" that ought to be addressed by a competent professional, and would encourage a sponsee to go get outside help -- which I am already doing. As for K, she has talked with many people, including therapists, about finding my notebooks, her reactions to it, and so on. She has read literally thousands of posts, on this site and others, not to mention endless articles, attempting to fully understand what happened to me, how it affected me, how it has affected her, and so on. Her grasp of these issues is far better and deeper than my own, and it is a source of frustration to her that my progress is so slow.

I see a lot more than I did at first, before it became clear that my anal fetish originated in physically/sexually intrusive and abusive conduct by my mother. It certainly explains the perpetual conflict and incredibly deep resentment I harbored toward her my whole life (she died 5 years ago after a decade in a nursing home in an Alzheimer's coma). I see that my resentment and rebellion toward her played out in my relationships with women over and over; that I would seek out relationships with women, then once in the relationship, I would hide from them and secretly rebel against the relationship by going and having sex with men. I turned the women into Mommy and acted out my revenge. I never opened myself up to any woman I was involved with, choosing instead to stay hidden and play these awful games with myself and against them. I didn't have the guts to be honest with them -- I didn't even have the guts to be honest with myself about what I was doing, let alone dig into the reasons why.

As for "why," the abuse may provide some amount of after-the-fact explanation or rationalization for the conduct, but it doesn't change the fact that I had a choice about whether i would do what I did, and I am the one who chose to act the way I did; many others have suffered worse abuse than I yet did not act out the way I did, and cause the harm to others that I did. Whatever my mother's blame may be, I am still responsible for my actions that put others in harm's way without their even knowing. I made some awful choices and, like DK says, it's time to be the adult I am, and take responsibility for changing this behavior.

The digging often feels like drowning in quicksand, I have to say. I have always tended to be an "all or nothing" thinker, looking for that One Answer that explains it all; there isn't one here, instead it often feels like there are a thousand explanations and opinions, none of which fully explains what happened to me, why I did what I did in response to it, and so on. Part of the problem is me wanting someone else to give me the answers, so I don't have to go deep inside my own self to find them -- I have spent a lifetime avoiding the inner journey, while pretending to be on one.

The other part of it is, when I do try to dig around inside, I often have difficulty getting anywhere. For example, K is always trying to discover how I "feel" about things -- about my past conduct, about secretly having sex with men while married with a young child, about the women I was involved with, and many other things. She needs to know how I feel/felt in order to be secure in her sense of who I really am; my biggest problem seems to be my difficulty in connecting to my feelings, which I was not even in touch with back at the time this was all going on, let alone today, years later. It causes her a lot of anxiety, being involved with me yet fundamentally feeling like she doesn't know who I am. And it causes me a lot of frustration not to be able to connect to these things and tell her. As I say, I am making progress, and therapy is helping. But it's slow going, and I want it over with in a hurry.

Well, that's it for now. Again, thanks to you guys who responded to my original post, I appreciate it.

R
 
Welcome to MS,

Your post has so much in it I find it hard to find a place to start so I will just go with the acting out part. My "T" said that stress triggers the need for relief which in many of our cases ends up with drugs or booze and acting out. I never considered myself acting out, I just needed relief and I did what I had to survive. I justified my actions with this need to survive theory on a daily basis and it has taken it's toll as you already have experienced. When I came clean to myself and others about the CSA I began my road to some strange but better times. I have a new life and I can say that I truly lost the urge to do anything negative. I am living freely but it took a long time, six or seven years approximately and I'm still learning something new every day.

Good luck and God bless,
 
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