New guy - your feedback is much appreciated

New guy - your feedback is much appreciated

ken112479

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Hi guys,

I found this website a couple of days ago. I'm 26 years old and enrolled in a program to become a therapist. I'm doing my internship with mentally ill patients and found out that most of them have been sexually/physically abused in the past. I thought I "moved on" from what had happened to me, but I have been triggered by working with some of the patients. Whenever I see "history of sexual abuse" on their medical charts, it just changes the way I see them, especially when they are men. I sometimes feel like I become almost too empathetic and lose objective perspectives as a therapist.

There were two incidents - when I was 17 and 18. By that age, I was certain that I was gay. I'm from a small rural town, there was no one I could talk to, or share my feelings with. I felt so lonely and isolated. When I was 17, I decided to go to a gay district in a much bigger town. I was desperately in need of "love" - to feel needed and wanted by someone, anyone. At a bar, someone started flirting with me, and it felt so good. He said he was 34. He told me that I was beautiful. He asked me to come to his place with him and I said ok. We took a cab to his place. We're both really drunk and I remember him shouting at the cab driver on the way to his place (now I think about it, maybe he had some issues with drinking). To make it short, we had anal intercourse. I did everything he asked me to do. He didn't use a condom. It hurt so much. When I took a shower, I realized I was bleeding. I thought it was the price I had to pay for "love". I slept over at his place. The next day, he said he had to go to some place and promised to meet me at a restaurant for lunch. He never showed up.

When I was 18, I attended a prestigious summer music program (I don't want to be too specific here...). The dean of the festival, who I believe was 55, took a special interest in me. He was a very respected Christian man and I felt proud walking next to him. He made me feel special. One day, he asked me to perform at his Church on Sunday. I felt honored. After the performance he bought us lunch, and asked me to go to jacuzzi with him. When we're in jacuzzi, he started touching my legs and asked me if it was ok. I said yes. I didn't know what else to say. Again, he was someone everyone respected. Then he asked me to go to his place to watch a movie. While we're watching a movie, he started touching my shoulder and legs, saying, "is this ok?". I said yes. I was completely frozen. Then he asked me to come to his bedroom with him, and asked me to take off my clothes. I don't want to get into details here, but basically, he penetrated me. It hurt like nothing else. I was really nervous and tense, and I think it made it even more painful. I was bleeding for the next three days.

From the age of 18 and 21, I engaged in many self-destructive behaviors. I used a lot of drugs, had sex with complete strangers (over 100 men during this time), and cut my arms every night. I just couldn't sleep at night unless I cut my arms. It was an intense period of my life. Every time I look at the scars on my arms, I think about this dark period.

I have to say that the two incidents hurt me a lot, but I often wonder - was it an "abuse"? It happened when I was 17 and 18, I was supposed to be responsible for my own actions. There are many people here who were sexually abused when they were at much earlier ages. For the first incident, I almost asked for it. "Intimacy" was something I desperately wanted, plus I was drunk. For the second one, I could have said no. Also the fact that I'm gay - according to some people, there's no such thing as rape between two gay men. I keep telling myself that it was my own fault, and also that I'm making it a bigger deal than it actually is. Then why does it hurt so much? After all these years? Part of the reason why I decided to become a therapist is because I wanted to heal myself. One problem I have is that I associate pain and all kinds of negative emotions with sex. When I meet someone who is truly attractive, I just can't imagine having sex with the person. I would like your feedback if there's something you want to say, or something you can relate to. I'm new to this site and your feedback is much appreciated. Thank you. Ken
 
Ken I just read you're story, I'm sorry for you. I would say age makes no difference, every contact that someone don't like on the time itself or afterwise is SA. It could never be the fault of you. You're the victim (if I may call you so, otherwise sorry) and the fault is always in the hands of the perpetrator. He should have known better. He used his very "christian" image to seduce you, and you couldn't be prepared for the things he wanted you to do. John22
 
I forget something to say. You also stated that "some people say rape between two men is impossible". That's a mythe. In my country (Belgium) there can be rape within the marriage. Gay-people can be married in Belgium, so rape between two men is really possible. The men who stated that its not possible are wrong. You shouldn't let you redirect your opinion by stupid people like them. John22
 
Ken,

Welcome to Male Survivor. I'm glad that you found us. We all have similar stories of being manipulated and taken advantage of at different times in our lives. You will never be alone here. We understand.

I hope to see you in chat again soon.

Recovery is Possible!

Brian
 
Hi Ken you will find answers here. One important thing to consider in your experiences is the difference in power between you and them. CLEARLY that dean of the school manipulated and used you. Once any situation like that happens in anyone's life, it changes you, and not for the better.

I would guess that you did all those self-destructive things after that in order to minimize the pain of the betrayal and all the other ugly feelings.

Never forget that it's the responsibility of the older/more-powerful person in a relationship to keep proper boundaries and to not take advantage of someone else that is younger/less-experienced.
 
It was really sad to read what happened between the 55 year old and yourself...that was awful. I'm sorry something like that happened to you.
 
Ken,
It took a lot of courage to make this first post. Welcome. You won't feel alone here. There are lots of guys with answers to a lot of your feelings. You've been in a lot of pain. We hope you use this site to get it out.
you aren't alone.
Paul
 
ken, welcome,

I hope you can carry on with being a therapist.
You have to be able to distance yourself from anothers hurt to be of any success.

I worked for years in peoples problems, and although it was really tough, I found a way of thinking, hey, Im not the only one who is hurt, and it mind me feel better.

ste
 
Ken, I was abused when I was 55. Took me awhile to realize it. I thought I was just making excuses for myself. But now I believe I really was. He was older, knew what he was doing, knew that I was in really bad shape mentally, and used that to lead me the direction he wanted me to go. Like you, I didn't fight it, but then, I really didn't have the ability to stop it on my own either. It was abuse, and I nearly committed suicide that week-end. When he was with me, he told me that he had done pretty much the same thing to a young man the day before. The young man didn't want to do it, but he talked him into it. He seemed proud. You can be abused at any age. Bobby
 
Welcome Ken,

I'm sorry all that stuff happened to you, it shouldn't have been. You were groomed by people who used thier position to hurt you. Glad you're here and folks here are good supportive people.

Halibut
 
Ken,

Welcome. Sorry for the reason you're here, but glad you found us. Like the other's have said, it was abuse. You were manipulated by individuals that had you at a distinct disadvantage, and it was abuse.

That was a very hard fact for me to face and I'm sure it's no different for you. The good news it that recovery is possible. Life can again be good. You don't have to carry this around with you the rest of your life. Sure, it happened, and you will remember it, but it doesn't have to define you. You can learn to define yourself separate from the abuse. You can be who you were meant to be :)

Lots of love,

John
 
Guys,

I really want to say THANK YOU for your support. When I told my close friends or therapist about what happened to me, I always felt like they were judging me. They didn't say anything judgemental, but I was somehow hearing, "what are you talking about? It's all your own fault" in my head. Now I think about it, I think I've been pretty judgemental about what happened. It wasn't them judging me - it was me judging myself. It's really good to hear your feedbacks. Thanks again.
 
Ken,

You said,
Now I think about it, I think I've been pretty judgemental about what happened.
And that, My Friend, is a true life snapshot of what makes relationships so difficult in this world. Each of us brings our own idea of how things are to relationship, and those things are defined by the things, good or bad, that happened to us in the past. In short, our perception of relationship is defined by our experience.

When we bring broken thinking into relationship it is cause for dysfunction in the relationship. So the challenge then becomes to learn how to repair that broken thinking into more positive methods of dealing with relationships.

It's not always easy, and in some cases it can be emotionally draining, but the journey is worth it.

I hope you stick around here with us. We can take this healing journey together.

Lots of love,

John
 
Well, Ken, personally I was a victim of CSA(childhood sexual abuse) which seems to imply there must be other types of sexual abuse out there equally as hurtful. I also am sorry for the experiences you have gone through that you were willing to share.

I would like to share a type of manipulation among young men around your age that a friend of mine confided happened to him. It involved a very well respected older music teacher and voice coach who would give legitimate lessons in his house that had a private pool in back. He would tell some of his students that as a special favor to them, he would give them extra lessons not on the regular schedule their parents would know about but just to keep it as a special secret between student and teacher. Actual lessons would occur at these times for a little bit. Then on one of these days, he would let the unsuspecting student in saying, I'm sorry did we schedule an extra lesson for today. I'm just having a little pool party out back and lo and behold out back would be these other 17 to 18 year old boys in their birthday suits frolicking in the pool.

Then he would say, Now you can join us if you want. I know you have no bathing siut but none of these other guys do either but if you are too embarrassed, well...... Of couse, this put the student in a pickle. Admit embarrassment or "prudeness" and look like a square to the other guys not to mention your teacher you looked up to till this point or "go with the flow". It is a manipulation cruelly and cleverly presented as a personal choice.

It sounds like a similar tactic was done to you. As a gay man, I would also like to say that the first time I engaged in truly consensual anal sex, my partner asked was it okay throughout and would express concern if it seemed like I was in pain. There did not seem to be much concern for you after they got what they wanted, not even for any possible pain you may have endured. That is abusive to me.
 
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