NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!

NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
Since I really didn't know anything at all about NAMBLA before this thread got going, I thought maybe I should become better informed. I found an interesting and very detailed entry on the group in the Wikipedia, and you can read it at this address: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA.

One interesting thing that I picked up on is the judgment (by whoever wrote the article) that "More recently, media reports have suggested that for practical purposes the group no longer exists and that it consists only of a web site maintained by a few enthusiasts."

Larry
 
This is even funny, cartman joins nambla.
Read it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartman_joins_NAMBLA

ste

This is what it stands for;

National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes
 
I saw the south park episode some time ago and never got the link.

I also read the wikipedia entry. But the more and more you look into it it becomes apparant that NAMBLA is still very much alive and active. The FBI appear to be tracking them which can only help.

The member I've tracked done also runs a buisness which promotes itself as a 'family site' where people of all ages can come and talk and ask for advice. He's amde the classic mistake of choosing one login name and using it so it's easy to track his posts on other forums. Sadly it appears he uses these forums to groom and gain trust as well. I'm very tempted to post the info but I don't think this is the right site to do it on. I would also never want to risk putting this site in any legal danger either.

It's just a case of finding the right way to bring it to others attention and reduce the risk. He still shows patterns of offending and admits to using 40 years of youth work to get close to boys and 'feel' their love. Oh theirs that word again 'Love' I couldn't think of anything fruther from Love!!

Mark
 
Mark,

there is a place to report suspicious sites, cannot remember the name.
You need concrete evidence to nab them, they can pretty much say what they like unless they act on what they say.

N****A must have millions of members worldwide, unless it is now used as a smokescreen for other seedy sites.

Perps are pretty good at networking, and somehow are pretty crafty on being detected.
They must have spent their whole lives working at being so f*cking perfect at evasion.

Just like we spend ours learning to survive,

ste
 
Originally posted by reality2k4:
Mark,

there is a place to report suspicious sites, cannot remember the name.

ste
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It's the CyberTipLine, run by the Centre for Missing and Exploited Children. Check out the rest of the site while you are there, you might not know it, but these people are working miracles on a daily basis. We survivors owe a debt of gratitude to them.

https://www.missingkids.com/cybertip/
 
I actually infiltrated NAMBLA in the early 90's and got on their "steering committee" hoping to get some inside info to turn every one of those sick f*ckers in and found they were mostly a bunch of fat, pathetic old f*gs screaming about "youth rights" and the other half slobbering f*cks just looking for "boy pics" (*vomit*). Back in their peak in the 80's they consisted of only around 8 creeps, now they probably consist of a sole guy who's counting down his days until the police come. Count them dead.

And that "Better A Millstone" group that Texan mentioned was run by Mike Echols who was the author of "My First Name is Steven," a lurid exploitive book about the abuse of a young boy that was made into a TV movie, then later he wrote another sexually explicit book about a priest that molested a couple brothers. He put up a website with kiddie porn on it then ended up dying in prison after he was arrested for a sex offense. Just google Mike Echols Died for more of that fat sicko.
 
Once a few years ago, I attempted to read "My First Name Is Steven", as I was into "true crime" books at the time. I didn't even make it a quarter of the way through; I found the descriptions of the abuse overlong, unnecessarily graphic, and in general poor taste. I didn't even bother trying to return it to the bookstore; I just pitched it.

From what I've since read and learned about Echols, I am not displeased that he is no longer representing (or attempting to represent) our particular cause.
 
I've been following the link Mark posted for some time now, and I think this guy and others like him ( follow some of his links ) are genuinly 'on the case'.

But are they effective? how many people stumble across his blog, and how many of them are sufficiently affected or moved to actually get off their butts and do something?
Sadly, by the very nature of blogs, it's probably very inneffective, but we have no idea of course of any other actions that the blogger is taking.

I don't doubt for one minute that various police and internal security services are sitting on NAMBLA and other similar organizations waiting for them to make an illegal move.
But they are very clever, something we know only too well, and they know exactly how much to give away in the public gaze of a 'forum' - they make themselves known to each other then move on make contact via private methods.
To gain access to child porn sites you have to stump up some pictures before you gain access, that way they know you are 'one of them', which makes infiltration virtually impossible.
And don't forget that they are desperate people who will defend their 'secret' at all costs. Some of them will be sad old bastards, but others could be crazy f*****s with the means of tracing people who threaten their freedom.

The only methods left to people like us who want to see them closed down, and rotting in hell, is the legal route.
And although it will be frustrating and slow, it will most likely be the most effective way.
For every molester that's caught legally the police get another piece of the jigsaw, they get the molesters computer and trace the contacts etc.
Slowly, the big picture falls into place.

As for NAMBLA's 'rights to free speech'? well, I have to say that I can't argue with that.
I think that UK and US laws are quite similar in many respects regarding freedom of speech.
But recently UK laws have changed, and it's now illegal to promote terrorism and racial / religious hatred. We had Islamic Mullahs standing on our streets glorifying 9/11 and the London tube bombings, and inciting more terrorist acts.
The law has changed and it's stopped. Or has it?

The majority of decent law abiding people are rightly enraged at the minority who promote terrorism, racial hatred or child abuse, and will on the face of it welcome changes in the law that stops it.
But does it drive these hate crime promoters deeper underground? I think so.

Personally I don't give a shit about NAMBLA, yes, their views are offensive and indefensible, but the more they shout the more decent people will hear them. And decent people will win through.
The molesters are a tiny minority of people, and they will find each other, and victims, whatever laws are passed to make life harder for them.
There's a saying often used in celebrity circles that "no publicity is bad publicity". But it is for NAMBLA, their own distorted and irrational views are so at odds with decent peoples views that they shoot themselves in the foot, it's just a pity they don't shoot themselves in the head!

Dave
 
Another point to remember-

If you are thinking of 'researching' NAMBLA, or any similar sites then remember that law enforcment agencies are constantly monitoring traffic to these sites.

If you visit them then the alarm bells ring and you might get a visit from the law.

Dave
 
https://www.cybertipline.com/


https://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/Default.asp


https://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/ncfv-cnivf/familyviolence/


https://www.pedowatch.com/aboutpw.htm


https://www.cyberangels.org/


https://www.childabuselawyers.com/


https://www.iwf.org.uk/


https://www.votf.org/

A few links from my 'favourites' list that might help.

Dave
 
Originally posted by Lloydy:

To gain access to child porn sites you have to stump up some pictures before you gain access, that way they know you are 'one of them', which makes infiltration virtually impossible.
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This is true; the only way law enforcement is able to extinguish such groups is to use the account of an already-established "member" who just happened to be caught doing something else. That happens rarely; the "system" is really effective. There is a myth - a favorite of pedos - which claims that law enforcement agencies are the largest "sellers and distributors" of child pornography". While most websites offering to SELL "kiddy porn" are run by LEOs, no material is actually traded. In truth, law enforcement can't -send- child porn to anyone for any reason at all. The more intelligent pedos know this, and use it to protect themselves.

Far easier is going after the uncautious pervs who use those illegal music-downloading programs. The file-trading networks aren't as anonymous as some people think, and the FBI has managed to convict a few people this way ( "Operation Peer Pressure" )
 
The 1st amendment was never meant to protect the speech of criminal activity.

The men who are members of this disgusting organisation advocate criminal activity. Openly, it seems.

Some people can hide behind "free speech". But what would happen if someone openly advocated and promoted attacks against the US?

They would be arreseted as terrorists. Or supporters of terror. If you don't believe it, read the newspapers.

I attacks against boys doesn't count for much, now does it?
 
Dave,

You make my May Day weekend with this one my friend:

But it is for NAMBLA, their own distorted and irrational views are so at odds with decent peoples views that they shoot themselves in the foot, it's just a pity they don't shoot themselves in the head!
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Like your energy and commitment, your unfailing wit never seems to stop shining through.

Much love,
Larry
 
Dave,

researching sites like those would just make me feel like vomiting.

The last time I got the guts to see what they stood for was in early 90s.
They were openly talking about flying to London to meet up because the kids are so cute!

It is an addiction, and they are highly organied worldwide.
Nobody can ever make them think they are doing wrong, dont even try.

When they do get caught, they play the victim role to get out of it, and sometimes it even works,

ste
 
Dave,

Awesome post. I agree. I can't say that I like the fact that NAMBLA is allowed to get their message out, but I have enough faith in people to know that very few people will be fooled by their twisted justifications. People know in their gut that manipulating and sexually assaulting children is wrong, and I think they will be revolted when they become aware of NAMBLA.

What I don't get is why does NAMBLA make any of its doings public? How deluded are these people?
 
Guess what!!!

The site is protected by 'LAW'.

Then think???
Who? Makes the laws.

Then think, Who? protects them from litigation.

Then think, how up does protection figure in todays society when a site like this cannot be legislated against.

Come on, spell the TRUTH!

Dont play chess with them,

ste
 
Well reality, it pains me to say it, but the people who made the laws which protect sites like this are Jefferson, Adams, Madison, and the other colonists who drafted the first Amendments to the US Constitution. Of course, those nice people hadn't envisioned the internet or groups like NAMBLA; however, the laws they made still cover them. The First Amendment protects websites which advocate pedophilia, white supremacy, homophobia, fundamentalist hate-mongering, and all manner for horribleness, so long as those websites don't incite a specific crime. For all its sickness, NAMBLA's claiming that "boy love" should be acceptable just isn't yet over the "advocating something illegal" line.

Now that I've by some ridiculous twist of fate somehow found myself "defending" this group, I need to go scrub my eyes with steel wool. Meanwhile, I think freedom of speech is important enough, that it's worth putting up with groups like NAMBLA if it means that once-unpopular but truly great notions like civil rights are able to find light through such freedom.
 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
-Voltaire
 
Melliferal, Nobby,

I don't think you are defending NAMBLA. You are defending the right of free speech that a free and democratic society - however imperfect - depends on for survival. The sad fact is that not all of society will use that right responsibly. NAMBLA is just one of many examples of how sick that irresponsibility can get.

Much love,
Larry
 
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