Mother's Day Was Disturbing but Healing

Mother's Day Was Disturbing but Healing
This was a special Mother's Day, a day of cleansing the soul and unburying to others what Dad lived at our hands. Writing this helps to cleanse my soul

This Mothers Day was difficult but fruitful for my family. For years we celebrated Mama on this day. We obediently and dutifully thanked her for all she did and over the past year we have reflected back on the reality of what we lived. Mama was a good person caught in the crossfires of her own family, a family that controlled and manipulated her most of her life. She loved her mother so deeply, but it was not only love but her mothers way of control through guilt that held Mama so close. Unfortunately Mama learned the art of guilt. Mama learned love thy sisters and brothers above all, they were with you from the beginning of time. Mama took this to an extreme and her siblings could see this love and took advantage of Mama. Their actions destroyed many lives. Mamas family lived life by promoting themselves as good and above others. Their days were filled with making fun of other families misfortunes or challenges. For Mamas family in their eyes were perfect. They were basically good but like everyone they had their issues. Their issues ran over into my family and destroyed many lives and dreams. I do not believe they intended this to happen but selfishness prevailed.

On this Mothers Day Mama made a revelation, one that seemed all surreal and without provocation. She said to her 3 children and their families before dinner this is the first honest Mothers Day we have ever had as a family. Mama went on to tell us she has realized many ideals on how to live life were not what she thought and were formed from her upbringing that did not allow her to learn to love her spouse first, above parents and siblings or to put her children before them. She said she understands her mother, our grandma, lived life the same way. Grandma took care of grandpa but when her mother was surrounded by her siblings, grandpa was a persona non grata. They would make fun of him or say things they knew aggravated grandpa. She said we all laughed and dismissed your grandpa when he left the room or table. She said he spent too many cold winter nights sitting in the park to get away from the silly talk. Mama said the talk was not healthy and children should not learn to make fun of others all the time. Mama said she cannot believe how many times she laughed at the same silly story which was told time and time again. Mama said these stories made us feel better than other families. We could never be honest with each other. Mama said she sees families where brothers and sisters fight and make up. This is healthy. Mama said we did not fight we did the cold shoulder and would beg them to forgive us. Mama said it was not healthy. We never could express ourselves honestly and openly. Mama said she loved her brothers but now understands the teasing and telling stories that were not true and believing her brothers was their way to control her. They would laugh and call me (Mama) stupid for believing these stories. Mama said she would laugh just as her mother would laugh when her brothers did it to her. Mama said I learned to be stupid around my family. She said your Dad did not do that and for some reason it made me lash out at him.

Mama said she left us to take care of grandma because she felt it was her duty and because her sisters and brothers expected her to be there. She said only now does she accept her first duty should have been her husband, who had suffered a heart attack, and then her children. She said she screwed it up and destroyed so many people especially your Dad and our lives.

My brother, and this was the first time he was with Mama at a family gathering since group sessions began, jumped in. He has a keen memory for everything that happened during the days he was taken with Mama to grandmas house when she was sick. He said he remembered the nights, which were most nights, when the brothers and sisters would eat late and have drinks. Some of the brothers and sisters had just returned from work or activities with their children. My brother described how they talked about people and said he learned people were stupid from them. He said the talks about Dad seemed as though his heart attack was faked and he could take care of the children. He told Mama when you said you had to get home, one of the aunts or uncles would say, you need to stay here because grandma has a doctors appointment or they had something to do and she needed to be there. My brother said he never remembers Mama saying, why cant one of you go or take some time off. Instead the brothers and sisters would say we cant do everything so you need to stay. My brother said the only one who said Mama should be home was grandpa and like usual they said he did not know what he was talking about. Grandma would say having me (my brother) there made her happy. He was missing school and being around children his own age. My brother said I missed that part of my childhood because of you. Instead you taught me to love you like you loved your mother and brothers and sisters. Never showing me how to love Dad. Instead my brother learned to make fun of Dad and everything he did from listening to Mamas brothers and sisters. They did not always say words but their actions of keeping you away from Dad made me believe there was something wrong with Dad. He finally said, I was never allowed to have a relationship with Dad because of being separated from him all the time. I was young and that is when you learn to love a Dad. I saw how grandpa was treated and I thought Dad had to be treated that way.

Mama started to sob and said she was sorry and wrong for what she did. Mama continued and said I used you to feel better about myself. I guess I knew it was wrong to leave you and your Dad and I could not admit it. I became jealous when I returned and saw how much your Dad meant to you and how you relied on him. I was not use to this because grandma was always the center of the childrens life and I needed to be the center of your life. I saw your Dad was struggling and it was my opportunity. He never said what was troubling him. I know I should have been more compassionate with him. I should never had pushed him away when he asked for help or struggling financially. His weaknesses allowed me to put him down in front of you. This allowed you (the children) to see he was a bad person. I used this to my advantage. Mama said the notes he wrote asking for help should not have been shared with you nor the discussions about our private lives. Mama said she never stuck by Dad. If Dad said something to the children Mama jumped in and sided with the children. He needed help and I turned against him. I ran from him when grandpa was sick and grandpa told me to get back home. Grandpa saw something was wrong, the only one in the family looking out for Dad. The rest expected me to be there so their lives could go on.

Mama said a good mother would not have allowed her children to do to Dad what was done. She spoke of oatmeal being thrown on him, first spitting on Dad and then throwing other bodily fluids on him, group gang ups and screaming at Dad, making Dad feel unwelcomed at the table and Mama said this was normal to her because they did this to grandpa, locking him out of the house, destroying his personal items that meant so much to him (and lying that they did not do it) and it went on. Mama never spoke of the specifics before today. She remembered some I had forgotten. Mama said it was extremely abusive but served what she needed to be loved by us.

My children and the nieces and nephew were stunned. They asked, how could we do such cruel things to a person? I was lost for words and never expected Mama to talk about what we did to Dad. My brother stepped in and said we were not well. Mama had emotional issues because she lost her mother and thought she was losing her children to Dad. She needed love. Mama said yes. My brother said the emotional issues spilt over to the children, we felt abandoned by Mama and wanted her back in our life. We did not want Mama to leave and somehow Dad became the enemy. Mama said he was the enemy to the childrens love for her, which was wrong. How did it get so out of control my daughter asked us? My brother said once it started it took on a life of its own. We would laugh at what we did. It was totally wrong my brother added. We needed help and Dad said we needed help but Mama and her family said it was Dad who needed help.

Dad nearly imploded and my brother said we now know why. He suffered sexual abuse as a child. We did not know of the sexual abuse and we forced his mind to escape. He would dissociate because we triggered these events. The way we treated Dad would have killed most people but to have the internal battles was too much for his mind to handle. Dad escaped and his mind thought the acts of the abuse would bring him peace and love. It was his only way to cope but he did not do it consciously my brother said. The doctors have said his loss of self was real. My brother said I am so ashamed of what he did to Dad. I thought it was funny he said, and when Mama and we joined in and laughed he thought it was the right thing. Grandpa was treated poorly but nowhere as near as we treated Dad. Mama jumped in and said even though it was not as bad, her family reinforced this behavior by example. I said I am disgusted when I think of what we did, it was wrong. We had some level of undiagnosed mental illness in the family that went untreated at the time. Mama said she had emotional issues and depression. I could tell the children thought we were horrible people. I admit if someone told me they did what we did to Dad to their parent, I would have thought they were sick people. We were sick people and it led to abusing Dad, my sisters alcoholism and her emotional issues of trying to live life as Mama did in the old neighborhood in Chicago, giving up her dreams, my brothers anti-social lifestyle and contribution to my nervous breakdown.

We did not know Dad suffered this type of abuse as a child. Mama said, how could he tell me? I had shut him out as he was struggling with such a horrible experience, a secret, as a child. Mama said she listened to her sisters and brothers who talked as though they were doctors and specialists. They knew nothing about his abuse but called him crazy and a liar. Mama said Dad was recreating his abuse because he felt there was more love there than he had with Mama and us. My sister said, just look at what we did to him, would you feel loved? We all said no. Mama said I called him a liar when he said he did not remember anything. Mama said the doctors today have told her Dad most likely did not remember. He was pushed into dissociation to escape the memories of the abuse that we triggered. Mama said I thought he was homosexual. Mama admitted this was wrong but did not understand what he was going through and did what he did. My niece jumped in and said I think the right word is gay. Mama smiled and said thank you. My sister said he had a wonderful life with his new wife who was there for him. My sister said they had a very romantic and happy life in all aspects. My sister said his wifes children said Dad brought their mother much happiness. They would hold hands, sneak into the garden for alone time and the house was off limits one weekend a month. We all smiled and my son said, wonder what they were doing and we all laughed. Mama said her private life with Dad was not Dads fault but rather her stupidity of not being there to help him and fight the demon. She did not know of his abuse. My sister said once he got help and found love he never had a need to recreate the abuse. I said I understand what Dad felt.

My wife asked did you ever have these feelings. I said years ago before I met her. I was lonely and the memories were there. I never acted them out. Once I fell madly in love with my wife I did not feel that emptiness and need to have my abuser in my life. I said to my wife, you made me feel important as though as was the number one in your life. She said I was and that is what marriage is all about. Mama for the first time told my wife she had wonderful examples in my wifes parents. Mama said her parents were good people but her mother did not know how to put grandpa as the priority instead of her mother and siblings. I realize for the love of my wife was help to cure many things. Mama said she should have been here for me and maybe the abuse may not have happened to me. I said it did and the abuser knew I was lonely for my Mama.

My niece jumped in. She is in medical school and said it looks like classic re-traumatization of Dad. She said the current abuse pushed him back into the trauma of the child being abused. He saw the abuser as a more benevolent person than those around him. He fragmented and what he did during those periods will never be understood or known. She said what he may have done is not who he was but rather a small part of him that never processed the trauma of the abuse. Grandpa was just trying to cope and survive, to be loved and in a dissociative state he escaped the pain. She told us many survivors in some form try to recreate the abuse for various reasons, to cope, to survive, to feel in control. She said everything our doctors have told us. My niece said it is sad when you go to the hospitals and hear doctors and nurses talk about trauma. They are stuck in 20 year old thinking, they have not remained current. What they tell families only further damages the families and the person who is reliving their trauma. She said they should not practice what they do not understand. Pretty clever young woman.

My son asked why did you tell us this, Mama said it was important for us to understand why we were going to counseling, individual and group, and my brother added why I tried to take my own life. My brother said it became too much for him, burying these secrets and somewhere in him he felt shame and guilt for what he had done to Dad. My wife stepped in and said to the children, they are human and they are not perfect and to admit their mistakes will allow them to heal. My wife said it took courage for them to tell you of their behavior. My son said thank you for sharing and how he was happy we were getting the help we needed. My niece held her mother and said how brave she was to have faced the past alone so many years ago and to be helping her brothers and mother to face it today. My niece said I now better understand everything. She told us we showed signs of a child abandoned by a parent. Mama said yes they did. Mama said she never realized those feelings would develop. My niece said to Mama you were gone for weeks and even months over a three/four year period. The children were young and felt abandoned, and she said to Mama you had a choice and you chose your brothers and sisters over your husband and children. Mama said yes. Sadly, for decades we saw nothing wrong with what we did to Dad and denied our feelings of being abandoned.

Mama told us Dad did so much for each of us. I (Mama) was suffering from depression when I returned home. I went to bed for days and your Dad still took care of you, laundry, cooking and making sure you got where you needed to get. I would complain if you had an early activity or a late activity. I jumped in because late activities interfered with your cocktail hour, and Mama said yes. I convinced you he did nothing and I did everything. If you say it enough people believe it. Mama said she learned we were easy to convince because we did not want her to leave again. Mama said the doctors said the children suffered from abandonment issues and fears because I left so many times. You did not want me to leave and this fear allowed me to control and manipulate you to love me. Mama said this is not love, control and guilt are not love. Mama said she did love us and all those Mothers Days when we gathered around her made her feel good.

Mama said you should have spent Fathers Day with your Dad but I kept you from him, reminding you of the bad things he did. My sister said, I did spend Fathers Day with Dad. Mama told my sister she was happy that she had the strength to stand up against her and her family. Your Dad deserved all of you in his life. My brother said he missed so much of Dad and had blamed him for not helping him with expenses. My brother said Dad had every right not to help me, I was abusing him and saw nothing wrong with how I treated him. I could have pushed him to kill himself. My brother said what we did was disgusting and sick. My brother said you do not help a child like that unless the child wants help and not abusing a parent. Mama said she would rant and rave how horrible Dad was for not helping and now she realizes he was right for not helping. Mama said she reinforced these beliefs.

Mama apologized for all she did to hurt Dad so we would love her. My brother said, he accepts what happened. He said the most difficult aspect is remembering everything the aunts and uncles said when he was a child about other people and Dad and their expectations of Mama to leave us behind. He cried for the childhood lost to those people he looked up to and now realizes they looked down at Dad and many others. They took so much from him because they wanted to be with their spouses and children but we and Dad were not important. Mama said I understand why you feel that way.

Mama said let us toast your Dad, (paraphrase) she said to the man that was there for his children when I left, for the man no matter the time of day made sure you were where you needed to be, for the man who only wanted the best for you and pushed you to achieve, for the man that has given much to many and the children at the Center who were fortunate to have a man like your Dad cheering them on and for the man I hurt and destroyed because of blind love for my family. To the man I am happy found the love of a woman who was able to take him out of the depths of abuse created by a horrible man and to our children, who may not realize have many of the good traits and kindness of their Dad.

My niece jumped in and said to grandpa and the many laughs and to grandma who has proven you can teach old dogs new tricks. We laughed and dinner went on. Maybe we have hit that turning point of becoming truly a human family, with flaws and no pretensions of being the perfect family. Maybe Mama is truly becoming the mother she wanted to be. For me it was satisfying to hear her words of my abuse and her sorrow for what happened. I think this is monumental for me in my healing knowing Mama realizes my life may have been different if she had made better decisions concerning her priorities to her husband and children.

It would have been a perfect day if Dad was here to hear these words.
 
All I can say is Wow from living a life of denial to brutal honesty--that is a long way to travel. Your mother is not leaving a stone unturned. I am still absorbing--
 
It was a very surprising day. I have my doctor today and will be talking about what happened on Mother's Day. My brother and Mama had group the other day and my brother said the whole session was about Mama's revelations. The doctor said as Mama gets older and sees the impact her actions had on her children, she knows she needs to right the wrong. I will write more after my session today. To be honest, I am still a bit stunned about everything that was said. I did not plan on ever going into the details of what was done to Dad with my children. I think my sister has been very honest with her children about her alcoholism, recovery and causes. I think they had some inkling of what we did to Dad. I am ashamed and embarrassed that my children know how horrible I was and how all these years I blamed Dad, when he really was the victim.

I still feel better knowing Mama was sorry about my sexual abuse. That was a good thing from her revelations.
 
Denial, secrets and lies destroy I learned today at my session. The doctor asked me a question, why did Mama have the need to share what we did to Dad with the family. I said I was not 100% certain. He said, your mother knows I will be telling you this, she is tired of the lies, the deceit and realizes she needs to free herself from the control of her siblings. She said she has not been happy for years, always pretending what happened and fearing someone would learn of what she and the children did to Dad. He said she is trying to free her children from this burden. He asked has the lies been difficult for me to live. I said yes, I always stopped short of telling what we did to Dad and focused on what he did. He asked, did I ever think what we did effected Dad. I said no until recently. He asked how did my burying my abuse for decades impact me. I said it nearly ruined me. He said, your mother has been ruined for a long time, she knew it was wrong and the "plots" to deny what was done by her and the children has been eating at her for a lifetime. He asked, did Dad deserve to be treated the way we treated him, I said no.

The doctor said we are all going through a process of processing our actions, words and deeds. He said sadly, what was done to your father needs to be further exploded and the impact it had on me. I said I do need to talk about it. I said everything from my sexual abuse to the abuse to Dad and Mama's emotional controlling of me are all woven together. I said I am not sure where one begins and ends.

He asked how did I feel about the children knowing. I said ashamed. He said Mama thought it needed to be told so the children would understand what their grandfather lived. I said it made sense. He said Mama could not keep it buried any longer and she knew it was hurting her children. I asked why did it take all these years for her to come to this conclusion. He asked why did it take me so long to admit the sexual abuse. He said it is for the same reasons, shame and guilt.

We talked about many other topics and the one above I am still thinking about. I will share the rest later.

I understand but at the same time I do not understand if that makes any sense.
 
I have been absorbing everything. I spoke with my son. He told me my niece, bless her heart, spent time with Dad's grandchildren and explained the neurological and emotional impact of the abuse on Dad and the re-traumatization he lived at my hands and the hands of Mama and my brother and sister. My niece also explained Mama's family were good people but like many families of immigrants, they left their parents behind. Many struggled so they would not be left behind in their new country, they held their children too tightly, never letting them love others outside the family, even spouses. While other immigrant families encouraged children to achieve dreams and not hold them back and be too close to them. Well we were a product of first generation immigrants. I now realize Dad's sense of adventure, Dad's encouraging us to to thrive and we thought it was too pushy while Mama would coddle and tell us do not listen to him. Well Mama left her mark, an alcoholic daughter, a suicidal son and me, a mess of sexual abuse and her emotional instability. How we hid it for decades is beyond me. I am so thankful I did not marry a woman like Mama, if I had another generation would be lost. My sister at a younger age had the courage to stand up and take her life back. I did not. Now I do. And we blamed the wrong person for our issues and failures and inablity to thrive. My poor brother bore the most damage of Mama and her family. And he valiantly fought to protect them and destroy Dad. Today he is now struggling and realizing it was wrong, he and Dad wer the ones used by Mama and her family.

My son said my niece really understands and will be applying next year for a residency in psychiatry. I now know another person with understanding will be there to combat doctors and nurses who dispense damaging advise. My family was a recipient of bad information. I know Mama's cousin who was a nurse in a hospital told us when Dad was having memory loss and acting out that it was made up. She was a maternity nurse but everyone believed her because she was a nurse. Rubbish I say. She did more damage than she will ever know. I now understand why her children have the issues they have--all were a product of this controlling and domineering family who seemed so kind and nice. I believe grandpa was the only one with a true heart.

I am blessed with my wife, my children were with me all the way as was my wife. I am sad when I see the children at PAS who do not have understanding spouses and these children siblings who are still under the spell, I see Kevin, and others here, and his children who I know and fear will live a life of unfulfilled dreams and opportunities and experience the pain my family has lived. His former will be responsible and was responsible for so much destruction, she like many others came from the same mold and families. I learned families can be loving but their need to use guilt and shame to control only leave a child damaged and a parent like Mama who left and made us feel abandoned turns and blames the other parent will only leave damaged and unfulfilled children. Some children are fortunate and escape young and find help. Too many do not. It is the shame and guilt that holds a child as did the shame and guilt I had compounded by the guilt and shame of my sexual abuse.

I have a long way to go to bridge all the different levels of abuse, the sexual abuse and emotional abuse heaped on me by Mama and her family. I never realized they emotionally manipulated me as a child to protect themselves and hide their selfishness. We were taught to believe Dad was the selfish one. I guess life is never what it appears to be.
 
My son continues with his counseling. He is beginning to understand the dynamics of Mama's family, the good and the bad. He is also beginning to understand how a child mind can be molded by a parent. He has spoken with my brother about the PAS meetings he attends and how other children now feel. My brother was honest and said Mama had a control over her children, guilt and making us feel she was going to die, she did everything for them and the children's fear she would leave again. My brother said this is common with many of the people at PAS. He realizes the power of a parent over a child and for some children the hold is never let go, they sacrifice their dreams and life to make that parent happy while destroying the other. My son asked my last night how I felt about was done to my Dad, his grandpa. I had to hold back the tears, horrible I said because Dad was a good man caught in the emotion damage of being sexually abused and then having a wife who chose her family over him in his time of sickness. He said that had to be hard on Dad and he asked why didn't anyone else in the family ask that question or see his hurt. I said because Mama had us believe she needed to be with grandma because of love. My son said he learned from my wife, the spouse or significant other comes first and then the children then others. I said your mother taught you well and right. He said grandma wanted her parents first and then sisters and brothers, then you and my brother and sister and then granddad. He said how could she not see or accept how wrong she was to granddad.

He says he still struggles with what we did to granddad, throwing things on him, locking him out, destroying his personal valuables, turning our backs on him and everything that is too numerous to list. I said I still struggle with what was done.

He said my brother mentioned someone who has given me support and lived how granddad lived. I asked from PAS and he said no from the CSA. I realized he was talking about Kevin. I said that poor man is living with what we did to granddad, no remorse, no sorry or acceptance of what was done to him was wrong. I said he was like granddad, he had dissociative episodes, blanks in his life, may or may not have acted out but like granddad he will never know. My son, said to this children have children. I said I do not think so. He said they better get their act together because their children will one day learn of the abuse they caused another person. I said I understood but I said when you mind is controlled by a parent it is hard to change and escape. He said my sister did. I said yes because the torment of what she did to Dad and the control Mama and her family had on her made her give up her dreams and she fell into alcoholism. Her recovery saved her from alcohol and living a life like I did and more seriously my brother. My son said, do those children of Kevin and the others at PAS want to see one of their siblings try to kill themselves because of the damage they did. My son said he understood what granddad may have done when in dissociative states was only to save him, so he believed, from a far worse place, his home where his wife and children lived. I said yes and the doctors have explained it over and over.

My son said he loved me but needs more time. I said take all the time you need. Just hearing his words made my day. It is a start. He is right, one day the truth of what was done to Dad, Kevin and others at PAS comes to light and denial can no longer stop the buried pain and truth. It will cause many problems in their lives. I learned something from my son today. Treat others as you would want to be treated, let go of untruths you were told were truths, be kind and realize in these family situations as a child your mind is easily controlled by a parent.

It seems the past causes more pain as others learn of how we treated Dad. One thing my son said, grandma, me and my brother seem to do everything to make us believe granddad was gay but he never believed it because he saw Dad with his wife and now the medical evidence is overwhelming whatever he did was in a state of dissociation that was meant to have him escape the abuse in his home. I no longer think, did Dad actual act out with the men or were they notes and other tidbits just a cry for help. I will never know, and I no longer care. He found love with a wonderful woman, a love that he never had in his marriage to Mama. That was hard for me to right and admit.Mama did not know how to love a husband, just like her mother. I still think of grandma have a comforter from another man at the end of her bed and Mama a crucifix from her old boyfriend at the top of the bed. They could not let go. I guess that is why Dad and grandpa were treated as they were.
 
Paul

I am glad things are better between you and your son. He just needs time. Learning of the type and duration of what happened to your father, his CSA and how his family contributed to the dissociation and any acting out, is hard for some to fathom. I am glad he spoke to your brother, it was probably good for your brother to speak of what happened and taking responsibility. You have told me, he now accepts your father did not owe him the funds and support for his future until he, your brother, received help. Unfortunately the grip of his past deprived him of the life he should have lived. He has made great progress. I am happy for him and your family that he has come so far.

I think we all know the pains of silence and hiding the truth, it slowly eats at you and one day it takes over. Your sister addiction and giving up her dreams to live where you mother went when she left, your brother who lost his autonomy and nearly his life and your mother, who is struggling with accepting so much of her life was a facade and burying the truths and the damage it did to her children. No one escapes despite what they believe.

Your honesty is a sign you are healing and facing the past. Keep going. You have more strength then you realize.

Kevin
 
Kevin Yes we keeping going. My brother has made great stride. He has accepted he was abusive and continue to be abusive by constantly talking bad of Dad without telling what was done to Dad. He also accepts Dad needed to cut him off, because an abusee does not support an abuser. Mama is even beginning to accept it. I have and my sister accepted it a long time ago. So abusers do not expect your abusee to be there for you. You not only destroy the abusee's life but your own. Mama is doing the best she can, the doctors say she has this image of the perfect mother and she did not meet this image. The doctor said no mother meets the image, they all make mistakes, have issues and do the best they can.

I do get weak at times and I have support that is wonderful. I will make it. The lack of sleep was taking its toll. But since the new medication I can sleep peacefully but am sluggish.
 
forgot to say. My brother told us Mama said she now knows she is responsible for the life my brother led. He told her she should not have used him to spy or attack Dad and she should have demanded he stay out of the discussions between Mama and Dad. She also said she should not have been so dramatic when she felt hurt by Dad. She told him she now knows she did this to gain sympathy and control over the children. My brother also learned Mama realizes taking him out of school to travel to the den of death for grandma was inappropriate and damaging. Mama reflected on what occurred there and no child should have been uprooted especially a child in first and second grade. She also said she should have realized Dad could or should not help us because all we did was abuse him even after he left. My brother asked how, she said she continued to foul mouth him, talkd what he supposedly did and how he abandoned my brother. She said he was right not to help because it would have only led to more abuse of him and my brother would still not have gotten the help he needed. She said she never told the whole truth to anyone of what she did to him and how she left him when he was sick or even had a hint of Dad having been sexually abused. She said to my brother she was responsible for depriving him of his Dad and his help. She said said over and over we needed help but she would not listen.

My brother has really come a long way, he said to Mama, yes she took Dad away all because she needed love and help. My brother told he learned a valuable lesson, when others see you need help, go get it. He said he remembered neighbors saying it and Dad said it for years. He said look what it did for his sister and the wonderful life she had because she got help. He said he is working on forgiving her. He said to her Dad does not need to be forgivien because he did what was right, not helping those that abused him. He said that is common sense and at the same time said, he was in need of help but could not see it. Mama said she needed help years ago and now realizes the control of her mother and siblings destroyed her life while they protected theirs. He also said to Mama he should have listened to his sister when she got help because he was then an adult. Mama said his mind was controlled from childhood by her need for his love and she could not let him go, which was wrong. She said the doctors were right he was her littleman and no child should be her little man. She also said to him, I was also somewhat her littleman.

This is a long way to come. We have a long way to go but it is good progress. Dad can rest in peace knowing he did what was right.
 
Paul

You and the progress your family has made is amazing. A mother admitting your father was right after years of belittling him and taking responsibility is to be commended and shows she wants your brother to have a better life than the one she created. Your mother must be a strong woman and to realize her siblings and family destroyed parts of her life (I cannot say her life because she has three kind children as a legacy of hers and your father).

I know you will keep going and your family will be stronger and honest.

Kevin
 
Kevin, Thank you and you are right on with your comments. The doctors have said many of the same things. Mama is really facing her childhood, grandma's dying and what it did to our family as well as her own need to be loved after leaving us for reasons she now realizes were selfish by her family. I also know we all make mistakes and as my brother said, when people say you need help, listen and get it. It is all too easy to become us and Mama said she prays for your family and others in the PAS support group to get counseling before they nearly loose a loved one. Unfortunately some at PAS have lost a loved one because of the actions of excluding a parent from a child's life by unknowingly controlling the child's life..

I know we are human but anyone who does not see how their actions are controlling and manipulating their children just need to look at the children and see the unfulfilled potential that is being lost and the anger they have in their hearts. They cannot blame the alienated parent I have learned but need to look at themselves and their own need for counseling and help. My sister will never achieve her dreams, my brother's dreams were lost in a need to please Mama that resulted in an abuse of Dad, I was lost from CSA and getting caught in the spider web of wanting Mama's love that I thought was lost when she abandoned us. I know many children feel this and the causes may be different but the alienation is real. No child should feel the need to love a parent more than the other because the parent feels they lost the love of the child by their own actions and actions. It is more common than I ever realized.

We will make it and I hope yours also faces it and makes it. Good luck.

Paul
 
Paul

I am very happy for the progress you and your family has made over the past year. You are going where many families need to go but fear of the truth holds them back. I believe you are right, when you said look at your children and see their unfulfilled potential and to add dreams that may be lost. Thank your mother for her prayers and hopefully one day my family will do some exploration into their lives. I hope they do not suffer like others, your brother and those you know from your PAS support group but there are no guarantees. As CSA survivors we know the secrets and lies fester until they destroy.

Anyway I wish you continued success and progress on your journey. I think you have made tremendous headway, everyone facing and finding the truth in the past. Soon you will be able to live for today and tomorrow without being haunted by the past.

Kevin
 
Thank you. I think I am now at a place with my family issues that I can devote 100% of my time to healing the CSA that has been put on the back fence for too long. I have learned much from my family. Mama in her own wisdom said the bitterness she carried was not from Dad but rather her family that took her away from her family. She has said grandpa was the one who said get the hell out of here and go back to your husband and children. She now know he was far wiser than ther mother and siblings, especially her sisters. Poor grandpa was alway the least listened to one in the family, but she said she should have listened to him. My sister said to Mama she was in a store the other day and saw this 8 or 9 year old girl throw a tantrum. My sister said to Mama it reminded her of the tantrums she would throw for get this or that and the opening sunroom. My sister asked, why would you not talk to Dad when he cried for help and said they could not afford it? Mama said nothing and then my sister asked the shame you brought Dad because of your tantrums pushed him into bankruptcy. Mama said yes she was wrong and a husband and wife should work together. Mama said her sister-in-law said do not listen to him, you can afford it. Mama said I knew he was struggling with something but she wanted it and used every ploy to get it including making the children feel as though Dad was the bad one.

Mama does have remorse. Her bitterness destroyed her life because she could not direct it at those who took her from her husband and children, instead it was to Dad. She said she relied on the words of her sisters, mother and the brothers to make her decisions instead of talking one on one with Dad. So Mama telling my brother it was her fault for having him turn on Dad that deprived him of support from Dad. She even said someone who was abused by someone, and yes she said she, my brother, sister and I all abused Dad but it was because she led us there, we were children.

I will always have one regret, the shame we brought Dad by telling what he may or may not have done when the abuse put him in dissociative states without telling them of the abuse, abandonment, the anger and lies we told to cover up what we had done to Dad. It is sad we could destroy someone with words that were not truths but rather words to protect the world from knowing what we did.

I have now come full circle and accept what I did,why it happened and hold Mama responsible. I believe her acceptance of her responsibility will allow all of us to heal. She will no longer be the one controlling us and dangling the carrots of her staying so we will love her. She finally admits what she did was wrong and at the same time was fighting her emotional scars from her family. Families can be great but they leave many wounds because of silence, their need to make fun of others to boost their self esteem.

My doctors believe I have the closure, Mama's acceptance of responsibility that will allow me to focus on the CSA which comes in nightmares and flashbacks. I am on medications but the doctors do not want this to be the long term fix. I need to get to the heart of the issues related to CSA. My family knows this is where I am going and they have said that is the most important thing I can do to be whole. They realize now Dad got help and found the love of his life, and Mama I believe never stopped loving him but her family painted this ugly picture to hide all their issues. Mama never found happiness because she could not release her bitterness at those that stole her from Dad and her young children. I still feel shame for all the stories we told of Dad being gay, he was coping, escaping the abuse around him and it us. He dissociated and lost himself and found more love in seeking out those that treated him as a child being abused like the priest did. We are the ones who should be ashamed. But in the end he had love, a wonderful woman who was there for him in every way, a heart that knew her husband should be first and cared for and I look back Dad never had that with Mama. Mama was always running off to take care of grandma while the rest kept their jobs and family intact then grandpa. In the end, all I can say is I am happy Dad found love.

Now I will be working on healing from CSA and I know I have spent so much time on my family. Sadly there was a link in my between the two, Mama's abandoning me and a teacher/priest who saw my loneliness. Now I know they are separate and distinct. Thank you for being here and listening to me so I could get to this point of facing the CSA head on. I have fears facing it but maybe all I have been through with my family will help.

Thank you everyone here at MS.

Paul
 
Hi Paul,

I would imagine you have acquired a number of important skills during this family examination period. And, I imagine these skills will generalize to working with your CSA. You may find you already have the templates in place to examine your CSA more closely.

I began to remember the abuse from my father at age 53. The abuse from my mother, which I suspect is by far the most crazy making, did not begin to surface until age 63. All the work I had done on issues relating to my father--hard, hard, work--stood me in good stead for dealing with the issues with my mother's abuse. In retrospect, I needed ALL the tools I had accumulated for 10 years to deal with the cesspool of sickness in me that was the residue of her abuse. I'm now healing on that abuse, and my thinking is clearing. I still have a good ways to go--maybe the rest of this lifetime--but I consistently see an elegance to the process in retrospect.

I sure hope you experience benefits on many levels from the time you have invested in cleaning up your issues with your family.

Sending you love and support,

Don
 
Paul

I agree with Don. I think you have learned much dealing with your family issues including what CSA did to your father. This knowledge should be beneficial to you as you tackle your own CSA. Remember uncovering the past, as you have learned and your family has learned, is difficult but must be done in order to heal.

If you need to vent, share, question we are here for you.

You know you have my support and wish you the best. You and your siblings are children I hope one day my children can see as an example of compassion, understanding and more importantly to reflect on their lives and face the truth so they can have the best life possible. We all have demons, issues or whatever you wish to call them, but do not be ashamed of them, only facing the truth will allow one to have the life they deserve. You are on your way.

Keep well and hope the true happiness that alluded you, your brother and mother can now be had and enjoyed and you can live your own life free of past controls.

Kevin
 
Don and Kevin thank you for your support. I had a session with the counselor yesterday. It was probably the first session that was not dominated by my family issues. We talked about how I felt, the nightmares and flashbacks with some surface discussion about the abuse. It was more than I ever disclosed, how I felt and what I remembered. Like so many it seemed like I was not there when he was taking advantage of me. I was told this is common and I felt like I was watching it and not living it. If that makes sense.

I thought after about my Dad's CSA and what I know of it. He suffered and buried it. I wish he was here so we could talk about it, he would understand how I felt and I think I would understand how he felt. When I had my nervous breakdown it was my first attempt to resolve the sexual abuse. Dad who I was not speaking would call and check in. I should have let him into my life and maybe I would have learned of his own abuse then instead of at his funeral. His shares what she can share but she knows when, where and in general what was done. We know medically how he handled it as it was controlling him later in life. I see my breakdown as being from the abuse. I hope to uncover more as I focus on the CSA. It is scary to feel the sensations when I spoke to the counselor and know the nightmares and flashbacks are real. I will do it.

Don I am so sorry to see what you suffered with both parents and then CSA. It seems so unfair that once child must lives such horrible experiences. I am glad you are in a good place and taking it in stride. I read the posts here and am amazed with your honesty and openness, it helps me and so many others.

Kevin you exemplify what my Dad lived and I sm so sorry you had to live such terrible experiences with the sexual abuse and your family. I will tell you the doctors told us the turning point in our healing, especially my brother's was when Mama began to admit the mistakes and the abandonment and ultimately the control she let her family hold over her. It helped us to see she was human,not malicious but just responding to what she knew and unfortunately the emotionally void she felt after abandoning us to keep her siblings happy. It just spiraled and Mama's family supported what was happening in the home, blaming Dad. But we now know Dad was the one suffering. I still love my Mama and see her differently, probably for who she is instead of someone who controlled us to believe she was wonderful and Dad was a louse. Her willingness to admit to what happened helps me to forgive her and my brother to have a better life. My brother says at PAS he hopes all there will focus on the truth and look back with honest eyes. He tells them even though they were deprived of one parent because of the other parent, when they work to reconnect with the alienated parent they still need to remain connected with the alienating parent. He continues and says they need to seek counsel to help them rebuild an honest relationship with the alienating parent. I am proud of him for he suffered more than I did. I hope your children's mother has the courage to take the first steps because your children will be the ones who will suffer throughout life and when you are no longer here, they will face all those buried emotions and the truth will come out. So it is best to face it now and get rid of the baggage of their childhood. They should love their mother and their father with all the good they did as well as the not so good and mistakes. They need to know this now so as not to repeat the same over and over. I hope for their sake their mother looks back and accepts what happened. You have suffered enough and to be stranded by your family when you were trying to recover from the CSA is reminscient of what my Dad lived. His wife told us how he felt and it showed we were poor excuses for human beings at that time.

I can write this now without fear but I will always be sad for having missed out on having a Dad in my life because of family factors.

Thank you again and I will let you know how counseling progresses as I try to totally regain my life from the CSA.

Paul
 
Paul

You are on the right road. Focus on yourself and healing from the CSA, let your family issues be minor in your mind. I am glad I was able to help you in a small way. Sharing experiences is one way we heal from issues and abuses.

Keep going and remember we are here to give you support when you need it. But I think you have traveled far and have a sound basis to cope while you face the CSA. I know there will be challenges and obstacles, but they are surmountable.

Best wishes,

Kevin
 
Hi Paul,

For me, the disconnect between the knowing of the SA and experiencing of the feelings of the SA is a normal part of the healing process. At 66, I am only beginning to put the feelings together with the knowing of my early abuse.

Again, for me, there is a natural process at work in me that, if respected, I can trust. I have learned over time that my process works for me, and that, even when times are tough, all I have to do is walk through the tough times one tiny step at the time. The times I have gotten into trouble have been when I have forgotten that and expected myself to do more than I was able to do. I can never do the whole thing. I can only ever do one tiny bit at a time, in the present.

For myself, the putting together of the events and the feelings is towards the end of a process and is integration. I may spend the rest of this lifetime integrating my experiences, but each little tiny integration sets me freer to be more truly who I am.

Sending you love and support,

Don
 
Just something that made me realize Mama is accepting everything that happened. I guess something happened in Rosie O'Donnell's family and Rosie said No mother is perfect--we do our best. Mama told her children she should have believed and lived her life this way instead of thinking grandma was perfect and she had to be perfect. My sister asked why did grandma and Mama measure love by undivided love and have a need to mock and make fun of their husbands in front of the children and to make sure the children heard every fight and then the tears and self adoration I am so good why me. Mama said she knows why she made sure we were in every fight, heard every word, why we mocked and made fun of our husbands, so you would believe the Dad's had bad in them and the Mama's were the good ones, the ones hurt and neglected so we could have our children's love. Mama said it was a sad way to raise a family. She told remember your Dad loved you, and would have had you in his life if not for what I had you do to him. She also said to me, your sexual abuse I will never forgive myself for leaving, maybe it would not have happened and Mama said she should never have left you children with the feeling it was her mother and siblings over us and Dad. She said, she did leave us with those feelings and you had the right to have those feelings. She also said she should have worked with Dad and not demanded the sun room and worked to help him. She said she will have this regret until the day she dies.

Wow Mama has accepted she is not perfect and had responsibility for the breakdown of the family and the other ill effects it had on us. We can go forward. I am, my counseling is 90% focused on my CSA. It seems slower because I am still struggling to share. I know what happened but letting it out is hard.
 
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