Love

Love

Induna

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So, I had another “dream” last night and it brought me to see something very painful and difficult about myself. I need to share it because if I don’t it’s like it didn’t happen.

I had a good day yesterday. I had to go to a kind of stupid training session for a project I am involved with. At the session were people I really like, people I have come to love in fact just because that’s the way I feel about them. There were two women in particular that make me very positive and happy about life seeing the way they are. They are really good people. There is nothing romantic in this although I find them physically attractive. They are both married and mothers and I know and like their husbands, too. One of their better qualities is the kind of mothers they are, in fact. I was happy because I never used to feel that way about anyone. It’s not that I didn’t feel. I just channeled all my feelings through my analytical mind. I stripped them of any actual emotion so I could control them. This was kind of heady to actual be engulfed in emotion.

The same day I realized that a woman who was my lover and whom I still love was leaving the door open for me for me to renew, perhaps, our relationship. I offered to give her some no strings attached financial support a few weeks ago and I have been fulfilling my promise. She didn’t ask, but she is a single mom and stressed out. She was very important to my transformation. She’s like us. She was raped by her step-father for several years beginning at 11. Her mother is still married to him even though she was told by two of her daughters what was going on. My ex-lover is 46 years old now.

This brought up a lot of very complex feelings. I still love her. I always will, but our relationship was not good. For my part I couldn’t help but feeling like a machine when we were physical. I didn’t want to be that way. I tried not to be that way, but it just kept happening. She had her own insecurities that made it very hard for her to trust. I understood, but that didn’t help. In any case we broke up over a year ago and I never looked back. We both knew and said that we couldn’t really be friends. That was true.

So, knowing that I was probably being invited to renew things brought up a lot of feelings in me. Feeling of love but also the conviction that that’s “just not right for me”. I have learned to be suspicious of myself when my instinct is to shut down my emotions. That’s what I always did to cope and it was absolutely not a good strategy. So I was pushing against this feeling that love was not for me, as I should. I tell myself that it is actually hubris to think that way, that it isn’t my decision if someone loves me, but still I didn’t think it would ever be for me.

After my training session I spent a couple of hours with two good friends who I trust and who have been a big help to me. My relationship with them is one of the clear examples of how I’ve become a much more human man.

So, I got home overwrought with feelings of love, affection and desire and confused and doubtful about my perceptions and “decisions” about what was right for me. I knew I had to explore this feeling/idea that love was not for me. So, when I went to bed I decided I needed to go to my Garden which I wrote about in my last post. I got there easily and walked over to a stream with a pool that I often find there. I took off my clothes and went into the pool. I lay in the water feeling cleaner and thinking about how I could feel love now but not want it, or something. As I was lying there looking up at the sky, the Singular Man appeared leaning over me and looking down into my face and asked, “What’s going on?”. I started to tell him about how I was afraid of love, but how good it was to be able feel love, etc. Then he asked if he could join me. I said “Yes”, of course. He took off his robe and sat down in the pool. I specifically remember not looking at his body. When he entered the water it got pleasantly warm. I continued to tell him about my fear of love, about how I couldn’t explain to anyone why I was like I was, how it just couldn’t work, etc. He just listened. He asked me some questions I don’t remember and he always said, “Well, there you go.” When I answered. Then when I was explaining how terrible it felt to feel like a machine with my lover and I didn’t know how I could ever not be that way, the Singular Man asked, “How would you feel if someone who saw you in full bloom (being the best I could be) loved you seeing you like that and knowing you?” When he asked me that I thought I would answer afraid or cautious or too self involved, or something. But the answer that came to me was Disgust. Disgust. That hit me so hard I couldn’t say anything. It was like my mind just stopped at the truth of it. I didn’t know how to deal with that. After a little bit of my silence, the Singular Man just said, “There you go.” He got up from the pool and this time I looked at him. I saw old man genitals and then he turned into a brilliant light and then back again until he put his robe on and went away.

When I woke up later in the night I was still there in my mind. I went back to when I was 10 in the weeks and months after being raped when I asked God to take me away and to save me. I realized that what I was asking him to do was erase what had happened to me and erase the boy I felt I was. But all God could offer me was Love and that disgusted me so I turned away from it. I continued to turn away from it for decades whenever anyone loved or might love me. It disgusted me.

When I finally woke up in the morning and remembered the disgust and how I turned away from life and love and God, who was very very important to me when I was a boy, it was very painful. I was on the verge of breaking down. I got angry, too, at myself for being that way, at what I’d turned my back on in life. I’m OK. I’m trying to process this. The answer I came to in the dream was absolutely true but I’ve never been able to see it before. That feeling that loving me is disgusting has been with me for a very long time and it has been a motor in many of my decisions.

I have a lot of work to.

I know that this disgust is something many of you have experienced, but reading about and actually seeing it in yourself are very different things. It won’t just go away. I am confused but I know I can’t be anything else but confused now…

Thank you all for reading this and being here to understand.
 
That was very beautiful, thank you for sharing. The insight you got was actually amazing, even more so because from what you said, it seems you really identified what was holding you back.

I know I felt sometimes that there’s no way in the world, anybody could love me, that I was unlovable. And that I just had to accept that and that was the way life was gonna be. I’m finding out that’s not true anymore, and I have a wonderful husband who does love me, and I’m starting to understand that I’m not unlovable. The other thing that’s helped is being here has really brought home the fact that this was done to me, and that I don’t have to bear the burden of that because I was powerless. That doesn’t make me unlovable.

I’m so glad you were able to get this insight, I think it may be the key for allowing you to start to feel some of the love that you’re entitled to.
 
Thank you for writing this. It resonates a lot with me. I also turn away from love because it triggers disgust, shame, guilt and self hatred. I have to see the loving person as if I am not involved in their love. Just appreciate their love and the amazing person they are. Then I kan be with them but their love can't touch me. I think this is heavy for my loved ones.
 
So, I had another “dream” last night and it brought me to see something very painful and difficult about myself. I need to share it because if I don’t it’s like it didn’t happen.

I had a good day yesterday. I had to go to a kind of stupid training session for a project I am involved with. At the session were people I really like, people I have come to love in fact just because that’s the way I feel about them. There were two women in particular that make me very positive and happy about life seeing the way they are. They are really good people. There is nothing romantic in this although I find them physically attractive. They are both married and mothers and I know and like their husbands, too. One of their better qualities is the kind of mothers they are, in fact. I was happy because I never used to feel that way about anyone. It’s not that I didn’t feel. I just channeled all my feelings through my analytical mind. I stripped them of any actual emotion so I could control them. This was kind of heady to actual be engulfed in emotion.

The same day I realized that a woman who was my lover and whom I still love was leaving the door open for me for me to renew, perhaps, our relationship. I offered to give her some no strings attached financial support a few weeks ago and I have been fulfilling my promise. She didn’t ask, but she is a single mom and stressed out. She was very important to my transformation. She’s like us. She was raped by her step-father for several years beginning at 11. Her mother is still married to him even though she was told by two of her daughters what was going on. My ex-lover is 46 years old now.

This brought up a lot of very complex feelings. I still love her. I always will, but our relationship was not good. For my part I couldn’t help but feeling like a machine when we were physical. I didn’t want to be that way. I tried not to be that way, but it just kept happening. She had her own insecurities that made it very hard for her to trust. I understood, but that didn’t help. In any case we broke up over a year ago and I never looked back. We both knew and said that we couldn’t really be friends. That was true.

So, knowing that I was probably being invited to renew things brought up a lot of feelings in me. Feeling of love but also the conviction that that’s “just not right for me”. I have learned to be suspicious of myself when my instinct is to shut down my emotions. That’s what I always did to cope and it was absolutely not a good strategy. So I was pushing against this feeling that love was not for me, as I should. I tell myself that it is actually hubris to think that way, that it isn’t my decision if someone loves me, but still I didn’t think it would ever be for me.

After my training session I spent a couple of hours with two good friends who I trust and who have been a big help to me. My relationship with them is one of the clear examples of how I’ve become a much more human man.

So, I got home overwrought with feelings of love, affection and desire and confused and doubtful about my perceptions and “decisions” about what was right for me. I knew I had to explore this feeling/idea that love was not for me. So, when I went to bed I decided I needed to go to my Garden which I wrote about in my last post. I got there easily and walked over to a stream with a pool that I often find there. I took off my clothes and went into the pool. I lay in the water feeling cleaner and thinking about how I could feel love now but not want it, or something. As I was lying there looking up at the sky, the Singular Man appeared leaning over me and looking down into my face and asked, “What’s going on?”. I started to tell him about how I was afraid of love, but how good it was to be able feel love, etc. Then he asked if he could join me. I said “Yes”, of course. He took off his robe and sat down in the pool. I specifically remember not looking at his body. When he entered the water it got pleasantly warm. I continued to tell him about my fear of love, about how I couldn’t explain to anyone why I was like I was, how it just couldn’t work, etc. He just listened. He asked me some questions I don’t remember and he always said, “Well, there you go.” When I answered. Then when I was explaining how terrible it felt to feel like a machine with my lover and I didn’t know how I could ever not be that way, the Singular Man asked, “How would you feel if someone who saw you in full bloom (being the best I could be) loved you seeing you like that and knowing you?” When he asked me that I thought I would answer afraid or cautious or too self involved, or something. But the answer that came to me was Disgust. Disgust. That hit me so hard I couldn’t say anything. It was like my mind just stopped at the truth of it. I didn’t know how to deal with that. After a little bit of my silence, the Singular Man just said, “There you go.” He got up from the pool and this time I looked at him. I saw old man genitals and then he turned into a brilliant light and then back again until he put his robe on and went away.

When I woke up later in the night I was still there in my mind. I went back to when I was 10 in the weeks and months after being raped when I asked God to take me away and to save me. I realized that what I was asking him to do was erase what had happened to me and erase the boy I felt I was. But all God could offer me was Love and that disgusted me so I turned away from it. I continued to turn away from it for decades whenever anyone loved or might love me. It disgusted me.

When I finally woke up in the morning and remembered the disgust and how I turned away from life and love and God, who was very very important to me when I was a boy, it was very painful. I was on the verge of breaking down. I got angry, too, at myself for being that way, at what I’d turned my back on in life. I’m OK. I’m trying to process this. The answer I came to in the dream was absolutely true but I’ve never been able to see it before. That feeling that loving me is disgusting has been with me for a very long time and it has been a motor in many of my decisions.

I have a lot of work to.

I know that this disgust is something many of you have experienced, but reading about and actually seeing it in yourself are very different things. It won’t just go away. I am confused but I know I can’t be anything else but confused now…

Thank you all for reading this and being here to understand.
Thanks for sharing this. Only on an intellectual level am I able to imagine other people loving me. When people express love for me, I'm very uncomfortable. Outwardly I might appear to be receptive to it, just to avoid hurting them, but inside I reject it. Since puberty, I have denied that girls/women could be genuinely attracted to me. I either missed the signs entirely, or if I became aware of their attraction to me, I actively pushed it away. I guess you could say I was disgusted by their interest in me. I suspected there were malevolent motives behind their interest--if I was open to it, I would ultimately be shamed, humiliated. So I would shame them first, for having the audacity to be interested in me.

Paradoxically, all along I have craved affection, admiration, affirmation, only to turn away when it was offered.

It's sometimes devastating to realize how much I have lost, and continue to lose. Somehow deep down I must have some hope that things can be better, or I wouldn't be here.

Wishing you healing, growth, and recovery.
 
I really want to thank all of you who replied to my post: @LittleSteve ,@Blessedcurse , @Jack1, @GaseousKlee . The acceptance that deep within me sits the conviction that loving me is disgusting has been coming back to my consciousness repeatedly over the last several days. I have always had what appeared to me as just strange moments when I would think or even say to myself “I don’t want to be here.” Or “I want to go home.” or “It doesn’t matter.” or “I don’t care.”, when I was happy where I was or when what I was thinking/feeling/experiencing was important and did matter. I used to not even notice these “interjections”. Lately I have paused and wondered about them. However, now I see them as a testament to disgust and an attempt to ritually erase myself. It is a deep habit and it will be hard to change. But I will change it.

@Blessedcurse and @GaseousKlee We are all different so I don’t want to suggest that you should feel about love as I do now. I used to feel about it as you do. I often said that saying “I love you.” was a weapon, and it was in my family. I refused to believe that it actually meant anything with great arrogance. The idea/belief that has helped me the most to be loving is that I all I have to do is bloom the best I know how. How others see me or react to me is out of my control. All I can do is offer the love I feel and let happen what happens. This left me much freer to connect to my emotions and express them while avoiding the terrible rabbit-hole of imagining what other people think about me and how I should present myself so as to make them think better of me. Nothing good ever came of that for me.

Accepting that someone could actually love me is another thing all together. There is deep shame that I know can only be unwound through action — through learning another way to feel about myself through acting differently. I can’t solve it by thinking.

@LittleSteve and @Jack1 your stories and honest sharing have meant so much to me. Being in the desert is one thing. Being in the desert alone is terrible. Thank you both for making me feel less alone.
 
Your welcome if my story helps one person it has made all of this mean something. Your words give me hope that something g good can come from all of this.
 
I’m often afraid that I’ll never find love and that’s it’s too late for me to ever find it. Plus I feel like my trauma is going to drive anyone potential partners away from me because they don’t want to deal with any of it.
 
Your welcome if my story helps one person it has made all of this mean something. Your words give me hope that something g good can come from all of this.
@LittleSteve I’m sorry you never got to know Darren White. He died over a year ago. Given your story and how you write I’m sure he would have reached out to you. He “collected” people. He taught me a tremendous amount about what hope and love are and his very existence made me look deep into what goodness really is and how we can give it birth in our own lives. I don’t have the answer, of course😂.

If you’re interested in his story he wrote a book called “Fear is a Faceless Child” which is available on Amazon. It is harrowing and you won’t be able to forget it, so please make an honest assessment of your ability to handle terrible stories before reading it. It is also quite beautiful 😍.

What he made of himself after what he went through speaks to what we are capable of and how goodness can arise from unimaginable places.
 
Thank you I’m not sure. I’m in a place to read the book right now, but I certainly will in the future. At times I have dug through this site and read quite a bit so I’m actually familiar with the name and some of his writings. There’s a couple people that are like that on this site that I found their writing anfter they are no longer here or somebody has pointed me to it.

Thank you for the kind words. It does mean a lot to me.
 
Hi Induna, very powerful post, thank you for sharing. This hit home for me. I very much appreciate you. Take care.
 
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