Lost It Someone's Comment Sent Me Over

Lost It Someone's Comment Sent Me Over

KMCINVA

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I was at an event and someone was talking. He was a graduate of Chaminade HS in Long Island, a Catholic school. I had a cousin who went there. He mentioned, and I was not aware of it, the president was forced to step down in 2011 over sexual abuse allegations that were just made public. The guy was an alum and was irate that anyone could accuse someone at Chaminade of doing such a thing, because abuse did not happen there. He called the accuser a liar and said now a second person is coming forward with an allegation 50 years ago. He said it must be a lie. I stood there, seething and others joined in with him saying no one keeps it a secret that long. I could not take it and I asked do you know what your statements of the accuser being a liar does to the accuser? They looked at me like who the hell are you. They said how would you know. I just said I am a survivor and I lived with people in recent years that have said the same thing. I told them I had been to the Diocese and parish and they know of the abuse. I said those that who did not believe and told others stories nearly killed me, it pushed me to the edge. I said you do not know the pain and it is because of how you act that makes many keep it a secret. They feel guilty and ashamed, as though it is there fault. I said what you said could kill a survivor who has kept this painful abuse a secret and I said they have no reason to make it up. It eats at the survivor for a lifetime. A few stares some in disbelief. In a way I am glad I only knew a few of the people and they stood by me.

I realized, but not 100% sure, someone from the old neighborhood where I lived recently during the divorce was there and they looked at me uncomfortably. They just said they did not know and I am not sure what that meant. I know their faces are so familiar but I cannot put a name to them. I wanted to go over to them after everything settled but they seemed to disappear. I felt bad because I did not want those that have told stories to be hurt when others hear the truth.

I do not know why I said anything but I was mad. I later spoke with my friend and she said that I am tired of the lies and hurt people caused me and other survivors. She said she was proud of me for speaking up. I felt like a kid, I felt good. I was also a bit depressed that my outburst would get back to those that hurt me, but then maybe these people are not from the neighborhood. She told me it was my story and others should not lie or distort my story to protect themselves. She is right but I feel bad. She said the couple may not be who I think they are. She is right. She said I still carry a feeling of guilt over the abuse and that is why I care what others think. She said what is important is what I know and what I think.

I am so sick and tired of institutions controlling people. Alum not believing and saying they had to be lying. I read about it this morning and the priest has been stripped of performing priestly duties and the school said the accusations are creditable. I wish I knew that yesterday because that was not said. I am still troubled.
 
Kevin

I think you did the right thing. You stood up for the little boy within. I am so proud to be here with you. Hold your head high. You are only protecting the boy that was not protected. You may save someones life by what you did. You believed when others didn't and i am sure they are thankful.

Ws
 
WS

Thanks sometimes I think people have the heads up their you know what. So you love an institution but it is made up of people and people are the cause of the pain. I guess I am just plain tired. I fought myself for decades to hide the secret and now I think I want it all out. I have told many but never truly stood up for anyone or other victims. I have no idea who the survivor at Chaminade is, but I do know he has suffered. The people at the event do not know him but still pass judgment. I am tired of everyone passing judgment because they have not lived nor do they understand what it does to a survivor.

A few months ago when I thought of ending it, I would have been a wallflower. I would have allowed them to take down this accuser. I do not understand what they get by talking behind the back of this survivor in such a negative and demeaning way. Do they feel important, powerful because they are destroying someone--I truly do not understand. I have lived it and heard of the words others spoke, they would have fit right in with this group of people. Someone I was with just said ignore their ignorance, that is all they are ignorant small people. Gr gr gr.

I wonder will the world ever change and see CSA for what it is and does to people?

Kevin
 
(((((Kevin)))))
You are a strong man and did the right thing in the face of dishonesty and fear. I say fear because I believe that the reason why people protect the guilty is because they fear what they have believed and trusted in will be proven for what it is imperfect and a construct of man not God. They believe in people and people can choose to do evil and hide in ivory towers. They are wrong in their belief and in their defense of it because they are standing on the blood of another. They would rather we all just disappear than face the fact they are deluded in there thinking. But I know the truth I know what happened I know what it feels like to have my innocence and soul poisoned but what the perps have done. I don't need their approval but I sure won't be silent in the face of lies and bullying.
You have regained your voice and I applud you. It's hard and you are scared but know you are a good and caring person. Your compassion over looks the deception of the moment and goes deep to the truth of compassion being strong when others are weak in their resolve to defend the downtrodden and defenseless. Thank you.
 
KM
I know that dealing with insensitive ignorant people is VERY challenging at the best of times. You did what you thought was best-you stood up for yourself and the rest of us. Let me thank you for that. Their discomfort with it doesn't make the Truth any less true. Bravo!
Z
 
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I applaud your brave stand. Its important that men speak out and break down the barriers so that other men can confidently come out and seek help and healing.
 
Well done, Kevin!
I am so proud of you.
Lee
 
Just a few thoughts...

This fits into that outer circle of concern - something that troubles us yet remains beyond the inner circle of influence we can bear upon it to effect the change we desire (Steven Covey, 7 Habits). Sort of like terrorist training camps in the Middle East and earthquakes in China - tragic and painful stuff that we are powerless as individuals to thwart.

There is much in this world we cannot change - and the minds of others are at the top of that list. I hope you don't let this eat at you. Remember the Sandusky trial, and how some of the victims didn't come forward for fear of not being believed? Just in the past week it was revealed that an early victim who cried out was similarly dismissed - chastised over the phone by Paterno himself - for making such outrageous accusations against a pillar of the community and sports hero of the university.

Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly stood on the courthouse steps after the verdict and said...

.......One of the recurring themes of the witnesses' testimony,
.......which came from the voices of the victims themselves in this case,
.......was, 'Who would believe a kid?' And the answer to that question is,
.......we here in Bellefonte, Pa., would believe a kid.


That might make one think that a more Utopian mindset has evolved. Yet I believe with some sadness that such enlightenment never left the courthouse steps in Bellefonte. Sure - we've come a long way from the dark days you allude to fifty years ago, a time when the cloak of secrecy would not even allow the crime to be mentioned. Today, children are taught about good touch, bad touch, how to protect and maintain their personal boundaries. I remember there was even a section in my Boy Scout manual about it. But nobody seems to be teaching the adults to listen to these kids. And that's a key thread that weaves through all these very recent cases of institutional abuse. Sandusky, the Boy Scouts, the Catholic Church are just a few examples of how the interests of the adults echo louder down the political halls of the institution than the cries of the victims. The safety issues of the child take a back seat to the political interests of the adult. Paterno built an empire upon the secrets of Jerry's victims. With a known choice, he did what was expedient for his reputation rather than what was in the greater interests of justice.

So when all that rosy, enlightened talk of child protection awareness runs smack into the adult interests of politics, profession and the prosperity that brings to them, then - yeah - you are certainly justified to be angry about it. Frustrated. Outraged. But you can scream to the heavens and in the end, there it is. It's a real problem, and your friends merely exemplify the pervasive lack of education on these issues that adults should have. And as for those in a position to do something about it - I can't escape the conclusion that the formula of success allows lip service to noble and altruistic causes but usually when it's convenient and self-serving. With many, that commitment stops when the interests of those adults are pitted against the interests of the child. And it's another abuse of the child when that happens - a neglect, a "turning of the heads." The long and recent history of institutional abuse makes that conclusion abundantly clear.
 
{" The emperor walked beneath the beautiful canopy in the procession, and all the people in the street and in their windows said, "Goodness, the emperor's new clothes are incomparable! What a beautiful train on his jacket. What a perfect fit!" No one wanted it to be noticed that he could see nothing, for then it would be said that he was unfit for his position or that he was stupid. None of the emperor's clothes had ever before received such praise.

"But he doesn't have anything on!" said a small child.

"Good Lord, let us hear the voice of an innocent child!" said the father, and whispered to another what the child had said.

"A small child said that he doesn't have anything on!"

Finally everyone was saying, "He doesn't have anything on!"

The emperor shuddered, for he knew that they were right, but he thought, "The procession must go on!" He carried himself even more proudly, and the chamberlains walked along behind carrying the train that wasn't there. "]

.......................


The biggest deceptions are perpetuated on fear and hate.
When the wounded child within learns to stand against the lie,
... A cry of truth shatters the darkness.
The deceived can no longer, easily refute the truth.
You were there. You lived that very thing. So very cool.

Kevin, you are so much stronger now then you were not so long ago.
 
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Long day kept my mind busy. Still in the back of my mind those words and I can see the faces of others. Makes me angry. Your words are so true about the battle to truly enlighten people is a difficult task. Their fears, their prejudices, their perceptions of self, their self interests seem to prevail--but I believe there are those who are truly enlightened and put humankind first.

Asa I am no hero, I have been through much as everyone here has, and maybe WS is right, the little boy, the child within, is tired of being a child and wants to be part of me, forced me to speak up.

Whome you are right, we need to speak and protect each other. Maybe it is age and getting to the point in life not to care what others think and believe. I am not sure.

Bluesky and Smartshadow, the strength I may have shown yesterday came from somewhere, I think from the support I have received, from those who have believed and stood by me and not allowing those that have tried with all their might that I not heal no longer control how I think or feel. Sad because some I truly love. Smartshadow it is so true, the truth does shatter the darkness I have carried for so long. Why have I hid the truth for so long, keeping me in the darkness. I truly want to live the light. Thank you for those words.

Lee you have been a wonderful friend and supporter. Your words I value and thank you for you on-going support.

Chase Eric your words always give me much thought--in their subtleties their is meaning and truth. You have insights into life that are often missed. You see life and people for whom they are. I truly appreciate your words.

I believe together we heal and may be together we change a person, a group or a small piece of the world. I first needed to change myself and I am a work in progress, a stronger and more confident person than I was several months ago. I do not want anyone to get away without being held accountable for their words of what I experienced and lived in the church cellar. They need to be called to the mat and held accountable. I want people to accept what we lived and what others who suffered other atrocities to be believed and loved. It seems so simple, but too many people live with hypocrisy.

Thank you and I hope one day to help others and not stand by and let survivors be the brunt of people's ignorance and fear.

Kevin
 
Kevin

You are strong and we have to persevere to get people to believe we are not at this time of our lives because we have enjoyed everyday. We are at the points in our lives because we have been able to protect the little boy within because we have grown up. It is astonishing how people say how can that be. We were good at putting on a face of caring for others because we did not get that. My mom can still remember that my personality had changed at age seven but did not ask more questions thought i was changing from age. I wish so much she had asked more questions. My life may have been different. My mom was a survivor but never told either. I was the first. We need to keep telling our stories so people learn to see the symptoms and we can keep healing. Society needs to bear some of the weight from what has happened to so many. Society needs to stand up for the survivors and protect them and not hinder there recovery.

Kevin stay strong.

Ws
 
@Kevin, I can only agree with your friend here. Telling the truth and outing all the secrecy was nothing short of courageous, particularly given your guilt over what people feel. The guilt is understandable. There is something private and furtive and disgusting about abuse, even when it's blatant and nasty and in public, indeed I went through that myself.

People don't want to hear about it, or believe it exists, much less that they were complicit, especially when it reflects their lives careers or ethics.
"Not in my back yard" as people say, sinse yes, abuse happens in china and cambodia and all the far corners of foreignland, but not next door, not really hear, people would prefer to believe in a rabble rousing victim or believe the victim insited things.

Credit to you for standing up and challenging this.
 
I just heard something. One individual, my former wife's family, who spread mistruths about my abuse and put it in a light that promoted the myths of the abuse and not the medical, physical and psychological truths, just passed away. Her life was one of exaggerating stories, finding faults in others for a laugh and at the same time she would be at someone's door in an instance to help them. Why the dichotomy?

I thought of what I had heard she said about my abuse and all that occurred. I realized she could not comprehend the magnitude of the abuse nor change how she thought, because she had lived with a narrow frame of mind. A frame that sadly many live within and many around her follow. At the same time, she found a way to give comfort to others, to give of herself. She should be remembered for the good she did and not for me her words that found fault in others. As for her words of my abuse I will place them in a place they belong, a box of the inconsequential. Inconsequential because she knew not the magnitude of my abuse or all the history that led to my unraveling.

I know some would say she should have refrained from uttering remarks if she was truly a good person, as those that know the truth have said, but she had her emotional needs and issues to fill and for some it comes at the expense of others. I know how her words hurt when they would resound across the sea. She and others who follow in her footsteps could not see or comprehend the damage these words have done. She like all of us have issues, baggage from the past that influence how we act and respond to others.

I hope she has found peace. I will remember the good she did and hopefully keep her words that hurt in the inconsequential box. For me not to recognize the hurtful part would be a lie to myself, it would tell me it was alright for people to continue the lies of my abuse. I cannot because no more will I let any aspect of the abuse control my life. Her passing, as sad as it is for her family and others, helped me to realize how quick life can pass. I hope she rests in peace.

I think more and more about becoming a public advocate and maybe this passing will propel me to help others who have suffered CSA and suffered from words and actions of others. I am finding my voice and today I think I may have found another chord.
 
WS

Thank you. I needed to write to sort out emotions, a good person with a tongue for the unflattering of others. When I heard my initial reaction was she cannot hurt anyone else with her words anymore but I then realized she would not be there to help others as she did for a lifetime. I then accepted the good in someone's life many times outweigh the bad. There are exceptions--my abuser I cannot fathom he has done good but to some he may have--to me he is the epitome of evil. This woman did much good and was as some believe and it is common in families in need of boosting self esteem. I have learned many who find fault and make fun of others have an emotional gap, the need to feel important and to be the center of attention. Most say it comes from childhood when they may have felt they did not receive attention, abandoned or teased or bullied. The more vicious they are in their words and attacks is a sign of the depth of this sense of needing to fill a void. She did much good for people and for me I know she left this world without knowing the magnitude of what I lived with the abuse or the triggers. I wonder how many more will leave this way, not only for me but for every survivor or victim. I do not believe the damage her words of my abuse, unraveling and PTSD can be undone, I will have to live with it but I do know she does not stand alone in the spreading of the untruths and half truths. I think I can live knowing because I understand, or should I say I try to understand, the depth of others causes and reasons for living life at the expense of others. Knowing the causes and reasons helps me to forgive or at least accept.

Anyway life must move forward. From therapy and support I have learned much about people. I will not judge but rather try to understand because our pasts influence or trap us. I have not lived their life or walked their path so it is not for me to judge. My abuser I cannot say such.
 
Kevin you are better than me. Mama's family are full of sisters who run to church for every funeral, Mass and runs to help everyone. The rosary is out then the tongues start wagging. They laugh at everyone's weaknesses, are bigoted and when something happens they blame everyone else. Poor Dad his family in Chicago heard lies from everyone that the families mutually knew. Dad had to endure hearing about Mama's family spread vicious gossip and lies. I was no better I had bought into their lifestyle. These people are not good when they hurt people. That woman you mentioned was not good. She just wanted people t think she was good. They have emotional issues. Good people do not take the opportunity to hurt people with lies and gossip. They remain silent or support a person who is troubled. They do not go around telling everyone what they have done for others. They just want a big pat on the back. They are human but their flaws hurt so many. Dad my sister told me spent many times explaining what happened and was afraid to go to the neighborhood he grew up in because the stories were so unbelievable. People like this should not be honored but should be put in their place to show love. I am sorry I see two of my aunts is this woman you described. You have a better heart because she hurt you here and with your family overseas. Shame on her and all the others that tell these lies. Maybe those gates may be locked to them. The good they did does not outweigh the hurt and pain they caused many. Children being made fun of because of emotional or mental challenges, adults who had problems with alcohol, adults who lived differently or were of different colors should have not be ridiculed. Their children, nieces and nephews some have followed them like members of your family. It never ends even when they know the truth about Dad.

I am sorry and admire you give this woman credit for being good. My aunts and the others have issues but think everyone else does but them. Wrong Dad should never have been felt not to be welcomed back in Chicago and you with your family.

I just want to let you know I admire your good heart for their bad heart. Maybe in time I will see what you see and think differently of Mama's family.

Paul
 
Paul

I am no better than you or others. I just do not want to be like the people who turn their backs on trauma victims, including CSA survivors. If I hold hate and bitterness or accept their superior attitude that they know more than the experts I will be like them, people trapped in their own issues and inability to live the life they try to portray they live.

I am just tired of the bitterness, the lack of compassion people have shown toward me as I heal. I think of my children--I am actually sad for them. They are caught in the cycle and believing CSA does not harm, is not real, people lie about it, it has no psychological impact--what type of people have they become or life will they live? I love them but they will not take me down again as they have in the past with words, being ostracized, ignored, harassed, bullied and so on. I know what I lived and they do not.

I am learning it is my time to live, my time to embrace those that support me--because they are people with love, kindness. Strangely these people do more good and never speak of all they do, they do not expect anything in return and then the ones who have turned, many as a Veteran said to me this weekend, where it on their sleeve so the world knows. He like many do not see these people as good but rather two faced people--living their life and telling of the good and then slamming people behind their backs, laughing at their frailties, their mistakes and their challenges and struggles.

We all have our own way of looking at the world and what we need to have and release in order to heal is different for each of us. For me, being caught up in what others have done to destroy me, only gives them power. They are looking for power to justify their actions and their own weaknesses and issues as well as their own insecurities.

Paul you are a good person and you are working through not only your CSA but your relationship with your father. The latter you were influenced by many family members and now are realizing their issues and need to control and manipulate to hide their issues and insecurities impacted you and your father. Sadly you are also realizing how they tried to destroy your father's life and I am glad he found happiness. It was similar to the veteran I was talking to this weekend. It is not uncommon for trauma victims to feel isolated, hurt and pushed to extremes.

Remember you are moving in the right direction.

Thank you for the kind words but I am no better than anyone else.

Kevin
 
I find people at MS to be open minded--the subject we are dealing with is difficult and requires us rethink how we see ourselves and I believe it evolves in how we see others. It is process--sometimes grueling, debilitating and seems insurmountably. Together we push each other and hopefully we have others outside this circle to push us upward. I believe the latter group exists but sadly many times we do not find these people or we are surrounded by people who did not wish us to heal for whatever reason--ignorance, denial, hiding their own truths--whatever I have learned I denied my life by burying the abuse--I did the same thing and it was to myself. I am learning there is not one person on this earth who does not have an issue to deal with--some more severe others maybe trite but the issue(s) influence how they act and treat people. Those who are kind, open and understanding most likely have been spared more emotional touching issues and learned these traits and acts from positive role models. I have also learned how an issue affects one will affect another differently from being bullied, abused, abandoned, picked on,placed in a lower place in a relationship and so on. I have also learned children develop as they are allowed to act. I went to something recently and learned how children who are allowed to slack off in the home, have no chores or responsibilities, bully parents and siblings is a result of a parent or parents not taking control and siblings coddling the offender. They learn or come to believe this is ok. Children who grow up around families that find delight in laughing at other peoples weaknesses, challenges, errors learn their is little value to the good these and others can do. The holy roller who rolls into church daily or weekly and pretend to be devote, giving time to the church and then I believe you said "wagging" their tongues do not teach faith but rather the need for pretense. We all learn from childhood. Sadly as a survivor I learned, out of a fake fear--one instilled by the priest-to be silent and it created how I acted. We can change and move forward.

I am moving into a point in my life where I just want peace, tranquility, joy and laughter. I am tired of hearing this and that. I have lived with this burden of the abuse too long. Maybe I am fortunate, I am facing my "issue" and the others have not or maybe never will face their issue. I do believe if we carry issues, and I never believed this before I started this journey to heal, we will never find happiness. I believe the woman who passed was never truly happy, you mention your aunts are they happy? Was I happy when I carried my issue in silence--the answer is no.

I am not sure why I have evolved to this point, exhaustion, the return of syncope episodes and now knowing the cause, or maybe accepting I have only so much time left and I deserve to enjoy it. Whatever it is--I like it. I also know and will never forget the pain I underwent to get here and I will tell you there were several times when I was nearing ending it and would not be here. I think back, why--because I let others control my life, the abuser and those that tormented me. Would they have blinked an eye if I had ended it, now I say no--that is how they are.

I am only learning and will continue to learn and heal. I want an upward trajectory or at least a flat line forward without a downward trajectory. I am looking at myself first and realize others look at others first to find their weaknesses or issues so as not to have to face their own. I did that and now I know why.

I know everyone here will have a level of success in moving forward and finding a level of happiness. We just need to learn to understand and accept ourselves.

Kevin
 
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