Loss of my brother

Loss of my brother

Dan88

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I had a dream last night that I was burying my brother at his funeral. He had died and yet we were still talking, standing over his grave. I insisted on feeling the pulse in his wrist, because I could not accept that he was actually dead. But he assured me he was gone, and his lack of a pulse backed him up.

It's not too hard to figure this out. I spoke with him on the phone Sunday. He just bought a new house and I wanted to congratulate him. We haven't spoken in over a month. We spent exactly 7 minutes and 10 seconds on the phone. The fact is, when we were being abused, he got it worse than I did. But it was no picnic for me. He's one year older. We went through 10 years of misery together, though in all honesty I got the hell out of the house by the time I was 14 or 15, and he didn't escape until he was 18.

We have only spoken about the abuse once, the same day I confronted the perp years ago. My brother was very cool and understanding of what I'd done. It seems he always had a much better way of coping with it than I did.

In any case, we've never been able to get back into each other's lives. I've suggested a few ways to give us some time together. But it never quite clicks. In some ways, it would be better if one of us needed the other for a more tangible reason. But we don't. We're both self-sufficient and successful, outwardly anyway.

I guess on some level I'm feeling that the time for this relationship to heal is probably over. He's 42 and I'm 41. We are who we are, and I'm not really a priority for him. I don't mean to suggest we aren't on friendly terms. We are. Even warm on those one or two occasions a year when we see each other. But I had hoped that we could get closer and I can't seem to approach it to make it happen. I don't want to go screaming about how this should be apart of healing and recovery, because then he'll just feel like he's got to spend time with his "crazy" brother. And I don't want that kind of unbalanced relationship. I just wish we were friends, but I'm beginning to think that relationship is just one more casualty of the abuse.
 
Dan,

I feel for you my brother. Very much.

My brother was abused by a different person than I was. Our relationship wasn't even as close as yours seems to be. And we never talked about abuse except when he had taken his perp to trial, which he got off on a technicality. My brother never even knew of my abuse.

Chris killed himself a couple of months ago over this. I still agonize over that.

But Dan, I understand your desire to be closer to your brother. So my advice is to treasure what you have with him. Not to agonize over what could have been.

I can only offer you my support, my brother. And pray that you will find peace with this.

Marc
 
Dan

the dream you had maybe telling you something, it obviously made you very sad in that dream, it is very sad indeed, when these things break up relationships with siblings, I wonder, do you feel you would love to be with him more, but maybe feel there is too much shame, maybe your brother thinks the same, I don't know.

My brother who was with me is like a twin, don't know how this is, there was a big age difference, about 5 years, but we are very close, and I have never been able to talk to him about it, as he just shuts it out. I think he got over it a lot better than I ever did, but we still share the same type of employment issues, you know, long spells on no work, then menial jobs, same likes and dislikes.

We have never ever had an argument, because we know where each one is coming from, my other brother and sister are totally different, and have been always that way, we argue, all the time, and we don't talk etc., causes a lot of bad blood amongst us, yes, a family breakdown.

Don't know if you can or want to do it, and can seem like a million mile journey, but we only have one life, and this shit should never have taken away what should have been brotherly/ sis, love.

Isn't it the victim side, telling you that he will think you are crazy? Maybe he thinks you are thinking just the same thing.

hope you get what you want out of it

ste
 
Hey Marc & Reality,
Thanks for your thoughts. I'm sorry to hear that about your brother, marc. Hope I didn't bring you down. That's exactly what I'm worrying about now, that one of us will be gone.

And Realty2K4 you're dead right. The dream made me ridiculously sad, which is why I figured I had to post something about it. I think with my brother I have two issues.

The first is that there are things that are unsaid between us. And maybe they don't need to be said. I'd like to tell him I'm sorry I didn't figure a way to get us out of it, and I'm sorry the abuse divided us. I turned into a pretty rotten kid from about the age of 13 onward. He and I got along fine, but a lot of people looked down on me because I got in a lot of trouble and was pretty freaky. My brother stood by me through that. He kept up appearances and never cracked despite some really shitty abuse happening to him. While I was busy being a self-destructive punk, I should have been using that energy to get us both out of that mess. Instead, when I cleared out of the picture, it opened the way for our abuser to really focus on my brother. By lashing out the way I did, staying out all night, clearing out of the house as much as possible, I probably made it worse for my brother. He probably knows it, but some time I'd just like to clarify to him that I'm sorry and that I really was too F-ed up to do anything better for us than what I did. But I also know that we'd both need to be ready to have a discussion like that, so I can't just drop it on him out of the blue, and it's hard to imagine that we'll be ready for that discussion since we talk so little as it is.

The second issue is that I'd just love to have a better friend in my brother. I think that's probably the simpler issue. But the other stuff, the abuse history, is just sort of always there complicating things. I try to suggest we get together to do things, and I wonder some times if the abuse crap isn't part of why he often backs out. Then again, maybe he just doesn't feel that close to me. Who knows?

Anyway, don't know why I'm killing off all this bandwidth with this stuff. Just on my mind, I guess. Thanks for listening.
 
Dan
I bet you both know that the other brother is going to be there when the time is right?

Dave
 
Dan

just a thought, given that the abuse issue, is the main stumbling block, the next time you meet him, try and clear the abuse issue out of your mind, and just smile.

Maybe in the future, the other can come out, but wait for the moment, it is not so good to keep these things away from your mind, but sometimes the mask is all that is needed

take care

ste
 
Hello Dan

I can fully understand how hard it can be to talk w/ your brother about abuse issues. I have 1 brother who is 16 months older than me. We both grew up in a very physicaly/mentaly abusive home thanks to our psycho-mother. I have been trying for many, many years to bring us back together as brothers should be. He pretty much still refuses to even admit that the first 18 years of his life ever happened - but over the past few years he has started to seem to understand my need to talk about it and make sense of the past - it has been a slow proccess of just short 5-10 minute phone calls (we rarely ever get together - maybe someday) - we don't always even talk about the past - I just call him to let him know that I care about what's going on in his life (He and his wife just had a new baby girl last Thursday - I'm so happy for him!!!) - any talk about the past is just a bonus - I don't push the issue (but he does know that it is important to me) - I was the one to get the worst out of the abuse in that house - he was mom's favorite and I was just a mangey mut - he was always much stronger emmotionaly while growing up - I have never held a grudge against my brother for not protecting me...

There is still a lot that is unsaid between me and my brother - there are things that mom did while he was not around and he knows nothing about the Sexual Abuse by my Uncle - there are some things that he just does'nt need to know...

I am somewhat puzzled at why you think that it was your responsibility to help your older brother get out of that situation? I am fairly sure that if you are totaly honest with yourself looking back, it probably would not have even been possible to take him with you, I'm sure it was hard enough for you to break away on your own and you had to do what you had to do to survive - I really do highly doubt that he holds any grudge against you because of that - he was probably very glad for you to be able to get away from all of that

The best way I know to be a better friend with your brother is to just keep in touch with him and let him know that you really do care about what is going on in his life - it may take a while, but eventualy he will start to open up to you I'm sure...

Take care,

TJ
 
Thanks guys,
I appreciate your listening and your suggestions. This one of those issues where I am still sorting out where I am powerless over events and where I should act.

In hindsight I can see that when I was 14, I had a lot of power in a family that basically had a power vacuum. I could have blown things up, but I chose to get away instead. It was selfish. I'm pretty sure my brother doesn't hold me responsible for the abuse continuing. By the same token, I'd like to let him know that I do wish I had done things differently and I'm sorry for that. And I'd like to know he's really OK. But I don't want to be selfish and raise up all this stuff when it appears he's comfortable letting it lie. And I don't want to be a reminder of the bad times for him. Maybe one day the time will be right for us to discuss it. Maybe not. I guess I'll just have to accept uncertainty. Meanwhile, I can just keep plugging away at staying interested in his life.

Thanks again and take care.
 
Dan - The more and more I read here at MS, the more I'm convinced that we all endure so much of the same kind of pain. My situation is so like yours in so many ways, I got goosebumps reading your post.

I'm the youngest of 3 sons in the family. I'm 43 and my brothers are 44 and 46. My middle brother, Robert, sexually abused me for a period of time when I was about 12. My father physically abused us all. My oldest brother, Tim, I haven't seen in several years, although he lives about 1 mile from me. Robert, I can't deal with right now, so I haven't spoken to him in about 2 months.

It's Tim I've been wondering about though. About 10 or 15 years ago, he just drifted away from the family, stopped coming around. All these years, I've thought he was just being a jerk, but now I'm totally rethinking that. I'm thinking that he can't handle memories of the physical abuse, so he's distancing himself from all of the family. My Therapist has been hinting at the fact that it might be beneficial to try to restore a relationship with Tim, and I'm already ahead of him on that count since I've been thinking that as well. But how to start? I've been thinking about writing him a letter, letting him know that this shit with our father has finally come to a head with me as well. I don't know. It's a tough place to be in. I really would like some kind of reconciliation with him, but I'm not sure he wants it. Then again, maybe face to face would be better. I just don't know.

Will be reading this thread for any followups, since I know this can help me as well.

Thanks,
 
Eddie, my brother.
Reading your post, with tears in my eyes. I could have signed my name to it. same story and it is so hard sometimes to know the right road. Often i think that maybe in a way we could all be a close family again but, in actuality some people cross the bridge sooner than others. Sadly, we cannot tell anyone to cross as we do. They need to take their steps at their pace, if they ever do. I just wanted to say this board has helped me understand, at least a little of the road I am traveling. Sometimes I feel I have gotten so far, adn others like I am at the begining just looking at it..Walk good my brothers..
 
Dan,

I lost my brother to the abuse 20 years ago. He was two. I was four.

Please do not miss the opportunity to have the relationship you deserve with your brother. You both deserve better then you have now. And it can some day be too late. Please do what is good for you.

Leosha
 
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