journey insights requested

journey insights requested

theo

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gentlemen,
i do a lot of research on my own, but i think we all know that there are times when finding one's own answers will not suffice. i am 35, survivor, dealing with it on my own for the last year. i did have a therapist who was a godsend till february when i relocated. the memories started flooding back after a session involving image work. i was seeking therapy for the divorce that was still pending at the time. i have since learned that the incest started at three years old. there was much that i have learned from that initial flood last november, but the gist is the emerging memories of what we are all already familiar with. i have tried to find a suitable forum to learn from others and to tell my own story to help others in turn. i will tell more in time, but the current issue i have is one that i really need to come to terms with at this point in time of my journey.

i have been blessed with a woman whose love and understanding is truly unconditional. she has been with me from the beginning of the memory recall and has held me through the times i would leave or zone out. when my first marriage ended with the betrayal and abandonment of the one i thought was my soul mate i truly lost it for a long time. at that point, i had no clue of my own past. i went the route of alcohol abuse and became quite adept at managing to work while still recovering from the previous night's binge. one other thing i did was to surf for images. i had a very large collection. at times i would feel so filthy for having the collection i would delete it all, only to go back and rebuild it. after i was blessed with my real soul mate i was able to let it go (the collection) for good, till two months ago. that was when i was starting to get caught back up with the whole cycle again. it lasted for two weeks because it finally came out in the open and we have been dealing with it ever since. i never want to hurt her like i did when i told what i was doing. her pain will haunt me the rest of my life. in our relationship, there was no need for me to search out the stuff on the net because we have the best intimacy that a couple can be graced with, so the question arises, why did i do what i did? the answer was tied into my childhood abuse and the hell i went through right after the seperation. it was the anniversaries of the ex's betrayal, the loss of the son that was never mine that i desperately wanted (part of her betrayal, but i still loved the boy), the divorce being finalized and the finalizing of the loss of the son i called my own. all of these anniversaries were going on, and still are. this did not justify my betrayal of the woman i love now, but it was what was going on my soul at the time and now.

the question i have is simply this, with the real love that i have for my soul mate, why did i betray her as i did? it feels like a copout to say i was under the emotional influence of the anniversaries. am i twisted? am i like those who have hurt us as children? this is what i struggle with. my greatest fear is that in some way i am just like those who did this to us. intellectually, i know that my remorse is a sign that i am not like them, but in my heart and soul i cannot convince myself of it. i have not done anymore surfing, and will never do so again so long as i am in my right mind, but the question remains, am i some how like them?????

sorry for the long first post. i wanted to give the background so any who reply would have the info.
 
Welcome Theo,

You have found a great bunch of guys to share with, when you came here.

I find a lot of similarities in our stories, although my perps were later and were non-relatives (although #4 could be considered family). I have recently went through a divorce from the woman I that I viewed as my soulmate, it was this loss that started me on my journey to healing.

A big part of my life and the problem my ex-wife had with me was my addiction to pornography. This was something I did when I was feeling down or alone. It was in T that I came to realize the reason for it. I was well into perp #2, which included rapes, when I first had (consensual) sex with a girl, having sex with her left me feeling that I had done to her what was being done to me. For the next 12 years, pornography was my only sexual release. This way I could have sex without hurting anyone. Hours or a day after buying the pornography, Id throw it away. It always left me feeling dirty and ashamed.

Early in our relationship my ex-wife told me of her disapproval of pornography; so when I would go out and get some, Id hide it from her. I did tell her at that time it was like a sickness for me. At the time I did not know why, now I do. I hid it from her so I wouldnt hurt her with it, but I am not good at hiding things and I hurt her by having it. For this I, like you, am sorry.

Bill
 
Hello Theo! You ask a question that many, many of the men here would like to find an answer for as well. I am not sure that anyone has a definitive answer as to why CSA survivors often seem to go to porn, both gay and hetero, to somehow deal with inner urges.

It helps to prevent it some to know that some of the men who have been here were the models for gay porn and they have told us that they hated it and were forced into it. Knowing that the person one looks at may be a guy who is hating every milli second of his exposure can be a deterrant for some.

Kepp talking about it, as we all can and eventually I am sure some one will come up with an idea that will explain this for many who do it and feel cruddy about it.

Bob
 
Theo

Boy can I relate.

After my SA and being a street hustler I had a very low opinion of myself. Hey I really thought that I was a piece of shit and only worthy for one thing about which I shall not talk. All my life since then and until recently whenever something good happened to me I would set out to destroy it because I was a worthless piece of shit and did not deserve anything nice.

When I was successful it confirmed my self loathing. Now I have been married to Nicole my wife for 36 years and she has stuck it out with me for all that time. She is my rock. Thank god I was never able to drive her away. Except for her I was caught up in the cycle of self fullfilling prophecies.

I have since realized this and am learning to say I am ok and to actually start to believe it.

I could not have done without the guys at MS who in my humble opinion are like brothers to me. I welcome you to this brotherhood
 
bill,
i am so sorry for what you went through with the divorce. as i have said, mine almost destroyed me. i am glad to see that it did help you in the sense of jumpstarting the journey to recovery. i still have trouble with that aspect of the divorce for myself. i can accept the divorce on one level for it did point to so much more that has happened that is good in my life now, but to me that some how says her walking away and loss of the son that was not mine was okay. i still dtruggle with that, but i know that somewhere down the long road it will work out. i also felt that porn was the only safe release. i did not exhibit that particular problem until after her betrayal, but there was a lot of problems during our marriage...i believed that we would somehow work it out. thank you for the welcome and i look forward to sharing the journey.


Originally posted by Bill_1965:
 
bob,
thank you for the welcome and the response. somehow, it is comforting to know that i am not alone in this struggle. sexuality is so very confusing because of what happened to us. i have read the posts from the past month and there has been a lot of insight there that has helped. a part of it was the impact on how our sexuality was so distorted with the abuse. i still have to work that out that the distortion happened because of being forced into something that could not be comprehended. i can see that now. i did use a similar imaging technique to what you suggested to assist in minimizing the draw to porn. what i kept telling myself when i could think was that this was some one's precious daughter. this helped me a great deal because i have always wanted a daughter to protect, perhaps a way to relive the hell of childhood when i could not protect my sister, only this time no one would hurt the one i loved. i keep picturing myself years down the road when my daughter would bring her first boyfriend home. i would have my future gun collection out cleaning them when i casually suggest he remembers curfew :-)


Originally posted by TheDean:
 
mikey,
is it really possible to believe the good stuff about one's self? i find that too difficult to comprehend at this point. my love tells me i am a good man, but all i can see are my faults and where i have failed. i lived a shell of a life for so long that i really have trouble seeing there is a man of substance worthy of such a love and respect as she so freely gives. my crimes feel as though they are many but really amount to so much confusion about what is real and what is a lie. the only truth i know for sure is her love, and the hand of Holy Mystery that has kept me safe all these years in so many ways. i don't know the truth of myself, too much darkness to see. thank you for the response and the welcome.


Originally posted by mikechurch:
 
Theo
the question i have is simply this, with the real love that i have for my soul mate, why did i betray her as i did?
Sometimes I ( we ) found the thrill and pleasure of good things so alien to me that I kicked my own legs from under me.
I had "right" to feel good, my abusers told me I was 'shit' - and until someone ( me through therapy ) came along and PROVED to me that they lied, I had no reason to believe otherwise.
I hit my self destruct button at every opportunity.

It's alright to feel good about ourselves, all we have to do is give OURSELVES PERMISSIOM to feel good.
Ok, I fall off the tracks occassionaly and look at porn, and sometimes I feel my old way of thinking creeping back in, and telling that I can't do 'that' or I can't feel 'happy'.

But those times are getting less and less, and I feel better because I have accepted control of my happiness. Possibly that isn't the full story; perhaps I have ripped my 'unhappiness' out of their control ?

Dave

Dave
 
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