Intervention and CSA

Intervention and CSA

Thad

Registrant
Intervention and CSA - Why it is important to act to stop the abuse NOW.

Let me first say that I have been working in the Juvenile Justice system representing children or parents in situations were social services have removed children from the home because of the risk of harm. I have handled many cases of all sorts of harm to children including sexual abuse. As a survivor myself, I care deeply for the children and the harm being done to them. When I began, I wanted it all to work out, for things to get better and the childhood wish I carry of wanting a safe and nurturing family to somehow happen.

I worked very hard with parents in trying to get them to see that this was an opportunity for them to change and to make it better for themselves and their children. For the kids, I wanted the same goal but also felt the need to protect them from the system and the harm that often happens from inept social workers, poorly run group homes, failing schools and psychological services that failed to address the problems. I had my distrust of the system intervening and doing more harm.

In my own recovery, I have come to see that the nurturing family I sought was somehow a birth right that my inner child would not let go of. I also saw that no matter how hard I yearned for it, nothing I could do would fulfill that yearning for what should have been. I came to realize that I needed to grieve about its loss and that what my inner child needed was for me to provide the safety and love and nurturing to myself, and him, that I found so difficult to give to myself living with the effects of CSA.

I also realized that my goal for my clients had been to somehow keep the chance of return to the dream of a functional family alive was not realistic. While I needed to vigorously advocate for the child or parent, that my goal needed to be to help them to see the reality of what had happened, where they were at the present, and to learn to obtain and use the services that were available to heal and recover.

This changed my views about intervention as a tool to help children. I saw that in many cases, NOTHING was going to change, and the harm caused to the child, would continue unless something intervened that changed the course of their situation. I saw that Intervention was the point at which the continuing harm ended, and they were made to face the loss that had occurred. Parents perpetuating gross family dysfunction need to be held accountable for what is happening. Too often, it is the only point at which they have an opportunity to seek help and to begin the healing and recovery.

The dangers of further harm by the system pale in comparison to the isolation the child feels, the self-destructive, self defeating ways that characterize his/her efforts to preserve and obtain the dream. The harm done by the system is in the present and must be mitigated by the efforts of advocates and by the child and the parents learning to set their own boundaries and ask for what they need. The harm of not intervening means that so many children will end up suicidal, drug addicted, in jail, or just living a quiet death of isolation from life and relationships and missing the joys and hardships of just being themselves without the oppressive effects of CSA symptoms.

Intervention is not a perfect solution. But I also know that the system and its workers are trained and are sensitive to the worst of the effects of intervention. I know that there are legends of advocates who work in the system to make the services including the places children are placed, safer and more nurturing. I have heard and sometimes seen the horror stories of the systems failings but I weigh the chance of further harm against the sure knowledge that there is a greater harm from current abuse and the isolation from holding its awful secrets into the future. The loss to our lives by not facing the abuse is so much worse.

In short, Intervention becomes a tool of the present, to STOP ongoing abuse in the present and give the opportunity to seek recovery from the harm of the past. There are many reasons people have for not intervening. But I believe we owe it to each child to intervene and to put a stop to on-going abuse. If we know it is happening, we can not wait for the child to be ready to tell or to come to terms with their fears of what will happen if the secret is told. It is always best if the child can tell but it is never best to let CSA continue.

IF YOU KNOW A CHILD WHO IS BEING ABUSED, PLEASE DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO MAKE IT STOP.
 
Thad,

The harm done by the system is in the present and must be mitigated by the efforts of advocates and by the child and the parents learning to set their own boundaries and ask for what they need.
It is advocates, and others like yourself who can see the failings in the system, and how it needs to be changed. Abuse is bad enough, but when the system hurts, then that is not tolerable.
The system sucks today, just as it always did. They need some teaching on just how hard they system can be on a child going through so much intolerable hurt. Kids need space, and to be listened to, because if kids think the system can be more harm, and they do, then they will not come forward.

just my two cents, but carry on with the good work you do,

ste
 
Thad,

I wonder how many of us here can confirm from our own lives the truth of what you are saying. I certainly can. By the age of 14 I was so terrified and ashamed, so lacking in even the basics of self-esteem, that I was seriously asking myself what the point was to living this kind of life. If a perceptive adult had not stepped forward to encourage me and get me to trust him with the truth, well, I just don't know. This adult believed me and took the steps necessary to stop the abuse, but did not press forward to disclosure and prosecution - I don't know how frequent that was in those days anyway (1960s). Never mind. I will be forever grateful to him. I cannot imagine any situation ever where allowing abuse to continue is the "best" way.

Larry
 
I know im only a day back in here yeah? But I want my voice & Howard says I should just say it so here it is.

I read what Thad says & like okay, I understand what hes saying. I get it. I really do. Hes right. But that world of choices - right way wrong way - isnt the one i live in. Its like playing cards & someone says u got to do this or that if u wanna win, & u think wait a minute i dont have those cards or those choices. Yr rules are okay for your game, but in the game im stuck in they got lots of other steep fucked up meanings.

Thad trusts people & I dont. I cant. Thats not my excuse its just my fact. All I know is its not fair. Yeah, I write that & i know its stupid. But guess what. Thats not fair too. It just isnt & nothing will ever change that.

I know this isn't a solution yeah? But its my answer. That's all I can say. Its not fair. I want an answer for that one but I know it will never come. Thats the most unfair of all.

Truth? If I tell I just dont believe that anybody will take care of my best friend. What if he just gets eaten up in a system that says Oh? really? You got hurt? Let us wreck yr family & ask questions & look inside you everything private & then send you back cos yr dad has rights. Who does he go to? Answer: nobody. That is truth no. 1.

Kev
 
It works if the parents don't sit a bullshit the therapist and say "Oh yeah, we'll do that. I'll get help." and just spew out lies. But you can't know until its too late. You can't know until that kid ends up the hospital and you realize "Wow, maybe that didn't work, maybe I should have done that and taken the kid out of that home."

Sometimes it works, its hit or miss. At school I look at everyone and wonder "Are they being hurt?" Sometimes you can tell cos they'll have bruises and say "I was playing football." You don't know if that is true or not, you can call them on it and make them feel bad. I mean, you could but it would probably silence them even more.

Maybe I'm wrong, it happens a lot.
 
Angry rant.

Grownups working with kids don't have a clue. They pretend to be understanding and they're all saying how they "care deeply for the children and the harm being done to them" and but they're talking over my head like I'm not in the room. I'm one of the kids you're talking about in your post. I'm in the system. I'm the one being interviewed. I'm the one who's not allowed any contact with my sisters 'cause it's "harmful". I'm the one who was hurt, not them. I'm the one paying for what my parents did. This is from another post I made.

"I was the one taken away, I was removed from my family (not mom, dad or my sisters). The bad kid's gone, erased. This makes me feel like I'm the problem. Sometimes I wonder if I'm the one being protected from them hurting me or are they being protected from me f-cking up their lives?"

I know it's probably different over there but why should I trust a system that never protected me? It took 14 years for anyone to see what was happening in my family. They sent me home from hospital every f-cking time, back to being abused again! How can they know what's best for me? They want me to tell them everything and take the blame for wrecking my family. "Sign here and get the hell out! You're on your own kid". My foster family's great but that's not the point. I didn't get help when I was 6. I didn't get help when I was 12. I've been hurt so many times by grownups it'd take days to tell everything they've done. The hurt doesn't go away, it stays inside me forever. I feel so f-cking invisible sometimes, like I'm just a piece of meat being shoved around. Not a real person with feelings. It's like my feelings don't matter 'cause they'll make their decisions anyway. They say I'm so bright (yeah right) but when I try to talk I get told "it's in your interest, we're doing what's best for you". They look at me like I should be grateful and happy but if everything's so great now, why do I feel this pain? Why does it keep getting bigger? Yeah, I'm safe now but I'm never safe from my feelings and thoughts. The pain is always inside me. "See me, notice me!" I scream every day. You have to start noticing us!
 
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God, I wish I didnt have read your responses Its what I carefully covered over coming back to me in direct and declarative statements by you guys, so close to it, while I have tried to put so much distance between me and those feelings.of course we cant hear you because we dont want to feel..damn your honesty


Thad trusts people No I dont I really dont I dont trust those people at all.

I like to think I can work with some of thembut emotionally I keep them all at a safe distance They have to prove to me their willingness to try before I will ever feel at all comfortableso farits only by degrees, and no one seems worthy of very much comfort I have learned to make the best of it cause there are some things I know need being done Its never enoughit will never be enoughbut it is all that I can doand I tollerate the rest of themand use them when ever I can to help the ones I know are suffering

I just dont believe that anybody will take care of my best friend you are rightno one will .. no one will take care of him. No one can give him what he needsno one could give me what I neededand the ones that should have given me unconditional love and nuturing didntand your friend and also I will need to fend for ourselveshe is a fatherless child . I am a motherless childno one can give us back what was our birth right no one can give us what we need. But you can give him something I needed and didnt get

I do know, though, that I needed people to help me get away from the abuse and no one did, no one gave me even the slightest hint of what it was about. By the time I was seven, I had tried to kill myself, and from then until my 20s I saw at least 6 different psychiatrists each of whom took so little interest in seeing me or getting past my defenses, that It only reinforced my belief that it was my fault and that I was a freak of natureYesThis makes me feel like I'm the problem.

Your friend will feel like he is a freak of nature and he will feel like it is all his fault, if he doesn't already. It makes me REALLY ANGRY that it is not stopping.

Yes, we adults are out of touch with how it feelshell, Ive been out of touch with how I feltand because you said it so clearlyI know it felt just like you said The pain is always inside me. "See me, notice me!" I scream every day. You have to start noticing us! Thats exactly how I felt

It hurts all over again

I do know, though, that I have to force myself to face these feelingsand own them rather than cover them over. For me, owning them means not waiting for some stupid feckless shrink to notice me. After I realized I would not be noticed, I worked really hard at not being noticed

And I think the truth is that being noticed would have saved me the 50 years it took for me to notice myself and notice the secret I would not allow myself to know

I wanted so much for someone to fix meno one didand it took this long to realize that no one can fix meonly me can fix meIt is MY feelingsit was MY traumait was MY harmed and mangled life that only I could liveOnly I could find a way to reach outonly I could figure out how to use whatever incomplete help I could find I didnt do very good at it thenbut I own this crap now

we are not that different - our pain is the same

I can feel what you are saying
can you hear what I am feeling?
 
Thad, yeah, you sum it up nicely. You were the kid all those years ago, we all were. It is never far away when the younger guys bring it back.

Thats why it hurts, because nobody noticed the hurt, and its just meant to go away, like a sore leg gets better. But someone fixed the sore leg, because they saw it was hurt.

A hurt mind! How can anyone see that! They cant, but they can sure identify with some of the hurt.
I dont talk about any hurt outside of here, and I never did, so it doesnt really go away.

If it was talked about then, it would not be so bad, as anyone will testify who comes here today.

Hey, this is not about me, it is about the system,about how we expect society to look after the vulenerable, at least, that is what we all expect from a caring society.

Society cant see the hurt, they dont really want to know, but there are some people in society who do, and Thad is among them.

Working with people sucks, because it is a hard job, I know because I have done it, but it does have its rewards. The rewards are what makes people carry on doing it.

Society needs to be more aware of the situations, that many kids face, and how they make it so difficult instead of helping. Yeah its like climbing the highest mountain on one leg, but awareness is the only tool you have, and it can be a powerful tool in the right hands.

ste
 
This mite not b good relpy but in the hosp i got ANOTHER social worker, I get them all the time n they dsy is abuse happinin n i soy no report n no court n they say K. cool. This one lied. Now my dad has restraining orders on him and so do atleast 45 people that the peolice hound involved n now i bein threatnened. Thank god I live 80 miles away, sort of n now since the majority happened in MI there opening a case there 2. It's beenfrom 13 to 26 i think years ago. I say she lied n now i no truust noone except i give credit 2 my T cuz hesay without subpina n leagal stuff n specifics he try his best 2 fight it 4 me if that what I want. I WANT. That what it should b about , noone was bitchen when they were gettin paid but now they raisin a fit, n can I stop the investigation or can they do that. They say they got restraining orders of protection stuff on me n my wife n kids so noone hurts my kids or tries 2 get back at me, but do I have to press chargers, hell my kids no no what happened 2 me n i like it that way. Are they gonna press charges, they say they jus seeing who is a threat. i no no, thank's n sorry bout the rant. -Donnie My T say wait 2 talk 2 him bout it he try 2 find more info but it came up

**Added: I talk 2 my T n i all fused. Nothin filed yet n i have 2 go 2 sheriff office on friday 2 file some paper thing maybe i guess, i no no. My T workin on gettin me new social worker n new psyc med Dr. n i have 2 get my physical this month n i loosin my mind. My head scans came back k but i loosin my license after my physical anyway. I guess i no really care no more sort of. I try 2 get back into chat but new meds=tired all time. take care- Donnie
 
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