I started reading 'Victims No Longer' tonight.

I started reading 'Victims No Longer' tonight.

swandive

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I ordered a few books off of amazon.com via Male Survivor yesterday, and the books arrived much sooner than I expected. (Since when did standard delivery get so speedy?!?) I was hoping to get them this weekend (while my b/f will be visiting family in NJ) but I really am glad they arrived significantly earlier.

I started reading Mike Lew's book first because I figured it would help to understand the victim recovery process a bit, before I move on to how to be there for my b/f along in the recovery process (especially since he isn't ready yet). I have to say I am really impressed with the book so far. I loved (if you can even use the term love when talking about a book with such content) the Acknowledgments and Introduction. I thought both were really well-written, positive/encouraging, and gentle. I think overall it was a really smooth transition into the first chapter, and just a really good way to prepare?! for what follows.
I was both taken back by and inspired by the first chapter, titled "Sexual Child Abuse: Myths and Realities." What I found to be most thought provoking was Mike Lew's definition of incest. I guess I always saw incest as strictly being an invasion of a child by a parent. Lew's concept of what incest encompasses really put into perspective the magnitude of guilt and harm to a child by anyone who betrays that child's trust and love. However, I think it will be along while before I really feel comfortable with the use of the term incest, and I think that's another one of Lew's points. We so isolate ourselves (as a society) from these actions, in that we can never talk about them in real ways. He really brought my attention to this fact in one of his 'focuses,' in which a survivor wrote about our common use of the terms pedophile and molest. I guess I didn't think about how much I danced around the realties of these words and their true meanings, in an attempt to make it more...pleasant? to talk about. This chapter definitely is testing my comfort within my vocabulary, and is certainly causing me to reevaluate societies treatment of these realities.

Oh, and something that could potentially be positive came out of the books arriving early. My b/f showed up (unexpectedly) a few minutes after I found the amazon box in my door. When he came into my bedroom I was on the computer and he sat on my bed next to the box. Of course the subject of it's content came up, and because I don't think it would be appropriate to lie to him, I told him that I had ordered some books online about victim recovery. And his response was much more calm than I had expected. He said (and I quote), "You should show them to me when the semester is over and I get back from New Jersey." Of course, he then insisted that we not talk about it until then, which I am more than willing to do, especially in light of his openness to the idea of reading the books.

I'd like to extend my sympathies to anyone who actually took the time to read this. I am sure many of you have already read Mike Lew's book, and didn't need my play by play summary, but I did.
 
Swandive,

be careful reading that stuff, it can show stark reality to what survivors real world can be like.

You wonder why there is so much silence from victims, but then again, nobody can relate to how harsh life can become.

A good read is the inner child workbooks which are written by women, but they do have a very positive approach to their work.

The inner child workbook is also from amazon,

ste
 
Swan,

Victims No More can be hard to read...I've been trying for a year and still only 4-5 chapters done.

Take your time with it. And try not to read it at night too much, I did that once and didn't sleep real well. :eek:
 
Swan,

I completely agree with you and know where you're coming from regarding your take on the beginning of the book. I've been reading it on and off for several weeks. I tend to jump around alot, depending on what's going on in our lives at the moment. It's very informative, but not in a text book, clinical kind of way. It's very real life.

I'm glad your b/f showed some interest and it's good that you're straight up with him. I do the same thing with my b/f. If he asks, I tell him; if he wants to say or hear more about the book, we talk. He takes the lead on that one.

ROCK ON..........Trish
 
Thanks for your advice, all. It's definitely not a book I will be ready daily, even weekly for that matter. My therapist specializes in working with victims of CSA, and she knows about this undertaking of mine. I will be leaning on her for advice and to help me sift through all this.
Trish, I think I will be using your approach with my b/f. If he asks to see the books again when he gets back from New Jersey, then I will show him, but not until it's what he wants for himself.
 
Gabrielle,

I so admire what you are doing to educate yourself about this issue. Having someone like you on his side will make it so much easier for your B/F to negotiate the ups and downs that await him. If only others would take the time to try and understand...

Lots of love,

John
 
John, you made my night. Yesterday I read part of Mike Lew's book, and this afternoon I picked up 'Allies in Healing." I really must admit that after flipping through AiH I felt very much discouraged. Your response helps to remind me exactly why it's so important for me to try and understand. Thanks again.

Gabrielle
 
:) It's nice to be able to return just a little bit of what the people here have given me. Thanks

John
 
Gabrielle

I just wanted to wish so much luck and courage to your BF and you. I'm a partner of a survivor and once he started "healing" our worlds were thrown into chaos because he came a long way down before he started to come back back up again. It was bewildering and really really tough. Having said that nearly a year on I wouldnt swap our lives for anything and we have times of absolute happiness that I can honestly say we never knew before even though we thought we were OK.

I think you are doing absolutly the right thing reading the books, posting here and learning. I gather from your post (I think I got this right) that you are also seing a therapist. Good for you.

With this much willingness to learn and grow I think you have every chance of making it work. I hope he will be able to meet you half way sometime. Good luck to both of you.

Lots of love

Tracy
 
Thanks for the wish of luck, Tracy. I think I'll need it. While I am hopeful that (with time, effort, love, and consideration) my b/f will get through all this and will come out feeling better, but as for the time being, I'm just scared. I know that this must be dealt with in order for him to see himself as I see him, and in order for him to live the life he deserves. It's hard because I know he needs this, and all I want for him is that he feel confident and proud, but from everything I have been reading...idk...I just don't want to loose the man I love. And I know things will only get worse before they get better, but I am sooo afraid of how bad it could get for him. And I'm so afraid that while going through this he will change, and I will change, and we won't know each other anymore...we'll just know each other in relation to this process.

And I am soooooo mad this is stuff that we have to deal with. I so love who he is now and I HATE that he cant seem to move forward. I hate that he has all these plans and dreams but can't seem to allow himself to succeed or feel the pride of success.

And I hate our life together is being interrupted by some asshole that will never have to own up to what he has done. I hate that he will probably never know about the mess he has made..and I hate that he can go on an have a job, a wife, kids, a life...and my b/f has to struggle (consciously and subconsciously) everyday. I hate that that man can go on and we are just stuck here. I am terrified that I have grown to love my b/f and things will happen during all this that will change him to much to love me, or will push him away from me. I just hate that we may never have the future we want, and not of our own doing.

And I hate that I can't stop crying and it comes out of nowhere. I was somewhat happy when I started this post. I really only meant to thank you, but I found that I had so much more to say. I have no clue where this came from.

I hope I dont give the impression that I will not be loving and supportive of him throughout his journey, Im just afraid it wont be enough.
 
And I hate that I can't stop crying and it comes out of nowhere. I was somewhat happy when I started this post. I really only meant to thank you, but I found that I had so much more to say. I have no clue where this came from.

I hope I dont give the impression that I will not be loving and supportive of him throughout his journey, Im just afraid it wont be enough.
Gabrielle,

Now you've got me in tears too... I'd jump through the screen and give you a hug if it was allowed. You know what I hate? I hate the fact that this kind of thing has to happen to children. That's what I hate. I'm so sorry you and he find yourselves caught up in this mess that was not of your doing, that he finds himself stuck, unable to live a fulfilling life because of what some sick bastard did to him. Both of you will be in my thoughts and prayers.

Lots of love,

John

PS - I don't suppose this has been a very thought filled post with lots of sage advise. My therapist says that I have an emotional personality rather than a cognitive one so I guess this post is coming from that side of my nature :)
 
I think just knowing that you seem to think it's okay that I feel this way helps. Though the hug gesture is also much appreciated.
Thanks, John.

Gabrielle


Oh, And thanks for remembering my name. I noticed right away that when you first responded you addressed me by name, even though I didn't even sign it on this post. It's such a small thing, so I don't know why it means so much to me, but it does. And I feel like such a child right now because even something little like a stranger remembering my name makes me cry. Guh.
 
Gabrielle,

although these books can give a load of information, they make difficult reading.
My example is, I start to read stuff, and although a lot of it is validation, it is hard to read the hurt of example stories.

It can open wounds in the mind, especially if you read too much into it.
Your bf is one person, and he may not want to look at all the negative things he has endured.

I tend to lash the book out of the way until I am ready to read a bit more.
Dont even remember where I put it.

The other hot issue, is to stand by your bf, but be safe in your own mind.
Give him his own space, but dont let him lean on you.

You cannot be his therapist, but you sure can be good therapy for him to know you care and understand his needs.

Its a bit like mental exhaustion, when you just have to be alone in your mind.
You can rest assured that most men abused as boys do turn out to be gold dust, as you have seen from some of the great men here.

I guess its our own school, but one that nobody should miss.
If you can stand the hurt, the enjoyment is even better,

ste
 
Gabrielle,

That book is one of the standard works on the subject, but my own experience is that it's something to read and then put down and refer to from time to time later on, as you need to. There is just so much in it. And as others have noted, it doesn't pull any punches. All I can say is that Victims No Longer accurately portrays the world of the survivor.

It's a hard truth to accept and process, but for all that difficulty it's the truth none the less.

Much love,
Larry
 
Gabrielle

What you are feeling sounds so so familiar. I had thoughts that he'd heal and not want me anymore, that he'd change and I wouldn't know, lke, wnat him anymore. I was so angry at the man who abused him and the carers who failed him. I loved him so much and sometimes crowded him and pushed him away with trying to help. Months into it all I was resentful sometimes... crikey the whole mountain range of emotions.

I have experience of one thats all but I want to share with you a belief I hold very strongly. He won't chnge that much because the abuse isn't who he is and doesn't define him.

As m partner healed all his best bits shone that bit brighter, he became more assertive and confident, he relaxed more, slept better and started to look his friends straight in the eye with calmness and love.

He grew and still grows everyday but the man underneath hasn't changed, he's just dropped a few hundred weight of stones that he's been lugging around with him.

You'll have so much support from people here if you want it. Again I wish you all the best.

Lots of love

Tracy
 
Your struggles sound all too familiar. My boyfriend has admitted to me what happened to him as a child and it's been a hard road since he broke everything down to me. I'm so hopeful but it's been so hard I don't even know how to handle it. I'm so up and down it's unbelievable. He's not ready to talk to someone but I at least got him to admit it, know he needs help, and see that there are available options for healing out there. Whether or not he takes them is up to him and standing here wondering and waiting is heartbreaking.

It's like someone sticking a knife in your chest knowing that the person you're in love with is in so much pain. As you said, I just wish he could see himself as I see him.
 
Hey Meredith,
Thanks for the message of solidarity. Sorry I didn't respond with my appreciation sooner, I took a vacation from this site.

Wishing you and yours the best,
Gabrielle
 
Hello swandive and everyone,

I just wanted to say that the Mike Lew's book is just very very powerful. As my only book about male survivors' recovery, I read the it almost from cover to cover, only amitting a chapter for friends and families. Now that I reread it, I find how powerful it can really be. It is triggering, but also empowering and healing. I agree that it is not an easy reading. Instead, it is hard to open it and not only to read several pages.

Alexey
Russia
23 y.o.
 
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