I can't come here much more.
I can't come here much more.
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Green:
We will not be going under. I firmly believe that there are enough committed people here, on the board and readers of the website who will come through. We are not millions in debt. We are talking about a max of $15,000 to get out of the conference debt.
Our leadership and board are fully prepared to keep this organization and website afloat, even if it means making some sacrifices. I told my 24 year old daughter, who is getting married exactly one year from today, that if it came down to it, her guest list will be pared down a little
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I fully expect that our friends and readers will kick in the money we need to get out of the conference debt, we will find ways to raise money for our expenses and we will be stronger and bigger in the end.
Don't let your pessimism get you down. If you can send in a contribution of any amount, it would help make my daughter more confident she can invite all her friends. If you can't send in a contribution, don't abandon this site. The more members we have, the better our chances are of attracting corporate or foundation funders to kick in some money.
Join us. Send in even $10 if you can. If we can show that we have 500 contributors of $10, it is more impressive than having 5 contributors of $1000. Of course, if you have a spare $1000 to donate, we certainly won't turn you down.
Ken
We will not be going under. I firmly believe that there are enough committed people here, on the board and readers of the website who will come through. We are not millions in debt. We are talking about a max of $15,000 to get out of the conference debt.
Our leadership and board are fully prepared to keep this organization and website afloat, even if it means making some sacrifices. I told my 24 year old daughter, who is getting married exactly one year from today, that if it came down to it, her guest list will be pared down a little
. I fully expect that our friends and readers will kick in the money we need to get out of the conference debt, we will find ways to raise money for our expenses and we will be stronger and bigger in the end.
Don't let your pessimism get you down. If you can send in a contribution of any amount, it would help make my daughter more confident she can invite all her friends. If you can't send in a contribution, don't abandon this site. The more members we have, the better our chances are of attracting corporate or foundation funders to kick in some money.
Join us. Send in even $10 if you can. If we can show that we have 500 contributors of $10, it is more impressive than having 5 contributors of $1000. Of course, if you have a spare $1000 to donate, we certainly won't turn you down.
Ken
crisispoint
Registrant
hate to be selfish here, but I gotta agree with everyone whose posted. I know money is tight for this site (hell, it's tight for every charitable org!), but to just find this site and have a warning on all sections threatening to take it away is not just frightening, it's morally reprehensible.
Worse still, money is tight for me. I want to do something, really, and that I offered to go public in the press was followed up with a reminder that I can join with sweat equity. I appreciate that, ken, I really do, but then I see the notices flashing above every board, and I cannot bring myself to do it. I feel guilty, like I'm robbing from the brothers because I see you need cash more than sweat equity.
I'll still scrape up some bucks to join, plus a little extra, but still, it's scary to threaten those of us who are financially struggling and a little mentally addled as well!
Peace and love, brothers!
Scot
Worse still, money is tight for me. I want to do something, really, and that I offered to go public in the press was followed up with a reminder that I can join with sweat equity. I appreciate that, ken, I really do, but then I see the notices flashing above every board, and I cannot bring myself to do it. I feel guilty, like I'm robbing from the brothers because I see you need cash more than sweat equity.
I'll still scrape up some bucks to join, plus a little extra, but still, it's scary to threaten those of us who are financially struggling and a little mentally addled as well!
Peace and love, brothers!
Scot
Just what I need, another guilt factor. I have to agree with Whyme? While this board provides an invaluable service (I can't begin to explain how much is has meant to me to be able to communicate with other victims), it seems that the failure of a gathering organized by management should not penalize those of us who use the least costly resources here. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to paying an annual fee in order to ensure my access to this board, or maybe get invloved with raising funds or exchange something for the something I'm getting. I'm open to suggestions.
Sinking,
I am in agreement. I was with another organization paying the same annual due, and that was only last year. I thought it was a big step for me, and a "me" investment. I regret to tell that I never got much from the organization in the form of communication and connections with other survivors. That's what I wanted so bad.
But coming here helps me. I am waiting on papers to become a member. It wasn't discounts to the conference that meant as much to me as much as the personal access to others in the other forum. I know we might get to know each other well, and that will keep me through this all. That makes it worth it to me. And that's why I'm here.
I don't have much money either. I'm in college. But I can give my basic dues now.
Alfred
I am in agreement. I was with another organization paying the same annual due, and that was only last year. I thought it was a big step for me, and a "me" investment. I regret to tell that I never got much from the organization in the form of communication and connections with other survivors. That's what I wanted so bad.
But coming here helps me. I am waiting on papers to become a member. It wasn't discounts to the conference that meant as much to me as much as the personal access to others in the other forum. I know we might get to know each other well, and that will keep me through this all. That makes it worth it to me. And that's why I'm here.
I don't have much money either. I'm in college. But I can give my basic dues now.
Alfred
It's a fine line between publisizing the monetary problem and overloading people with 'in your face' information; and another line can be the old one of "they tell us nothing" versus "what - not more b******t !"
And we're never going to get it right for everyone, although my personal view is that the more information I have the better judgements I can make. And now that I've read it I just scroll past it and read the forums.
But reading it did make the decision for me to contribute easier. I'm absolutely confident that MS is here to stay, so I'll contribute what I can.
I know that many of us struggle to make ends meet, last week saw the 10th Anniversary of the Charity I work for here in the UK, and that was naturally celebrated with a big fundraising party. I got home from that, logged on here, and discovered to my dismay that they were asking for money as well !
So please don't feel guilty if your donations are small, or even if you just can't manage to donate right now, support is essential as well.
Just coming to the forums, the chat rooms, and using MS is supporting us. It proves that what we're doing is both needed and worthwhile, it makes the efforts of the Directors and the fundraisers worthwhile.
The quickest way for MS to die is to stop using it, perhaps we need a hit counter as well as a donations graph ?
Dave
And we're never going to get it right for everyone, although my personal view is that the more information I have the better judgements I can make. And now that I've read it I just scroll past it and read the forums.
But reading it did make the decision for me to contribute easier. I'm absolutely confident that MS is here to stay, so I'll contribute what I can.
I know that many of us struggle to make ends meet, last week saw the 10th Anniversary of the Charity I work for here in the UK, and that was naturally celebrated with a big fundraising party. I got home from that, logged on here, and discovered to my dismay that they were asking for money as well !
So please don't feel guilty if your donations are small, or even if you just can't manage to donate right now, support is essential as well.
Just coming to the forums, the chat rooms, and using MS is supporting us. It proves that what we're doing is both needed and worthwhile, it makes the efforts of the Directors and the fundraisers worthwhile.
The quickest way for MS to die is to stop using it, perhaps we need a hit counter as well as a donations graph ?
Dave
Sinking,
As a member who attended the conference last month, I can state that it was certainly not a failure. It wasn't profitable, but I know for a fact that it was beneficial to this member, and I have heard similiar feedback from others who attended.
I'm just a member, but I'll make a suggestion. Become a member. Don't worry about discounts if you're not likely to attend a weekend or conference. The Members' Area on the board is more private. That privacy has been important to me several times. There are some things that I'm just not going to put on the WideOpenWeb.
I agree with Dave that it's hard to get the balance right between "we're in a tight spot and need money now" and "everything's fine and we'll tell you what happened after the fact." I think the BOD have done as good a job with this as any other cash strapped charity I've ever seen.
I paid dues because it seemed the right thing to do, based on the organization's goals and my own needs & ability to pay. I kicked in a donation for pretty much the same reasons.
Thanks,
Joe
Hi Joe - I certainly did not intend to take anything away from anyone who may have gained from or contributed to the conference. I was referring to the plea for financial help due to the financial failure of the conference. And I know that some may hear that as criticism. It's really not meant to be, I just am not real good at sugar-coating what I have to say. It's straight forward, not malicious. I apologize if I've offended anyone.
Sinking
you do raise a valid point, and although I don't know anything about running a charity - especially a US based one - it might well be a possibility that running the web site, the retreats and the conference as seperate things might be a way to limit any future damage.
Dave
you do raise a valid point, and although I don't know anything about running a charity - especially a US based one - it might well be a possibility that running the web site, the retreats and the conference as seperate things might be a way to limit any future damage.
Dave
MrDon
Registrant
I personally didn't take it as a threat that the site was going to get closed down. I saw it as the facts being laid out of the extremely desperate situation male survivor was in, and the facts were not good! It is a tough thing when it comes to money issues and I have never found a group or organization that managed to keep everything going smooth with its members.
I ran a site for a few years and tried to be non invasive about the costs to run the site that many benefited from. However in the end, the entire cost of the site was a burden I shared and it was one that became to great for me. I did get some help from various people, but not enough from everyone to make it a long lasting place. So it is very tough to focus on what you want to do without running into these darn money issues.
I don't want to see the leaders and founders of the organization sacrifice everything they have personally because that is asking way too much of them.
That's my personal thoughts on it....
Don
I ran a site for a few years and tried to be non invasive about the costs to run the site that many benefited from. However in the end, the entire cost of the site was a burden I shared and it was one that became to great for me. I did get some help from various people, but not enough from everyone to make it a long lasting place. So it is very tough to focus on what you want to do without running into these darn money issues.
I don't want to see the leaders and founders of the organization sacrifice everything they have personally because that is asking way too much of them.
That's my personal thoughts on it....
Don
Tonight, I am listening to my local (Philly) NPR station go through day four of their semi-annual "begging" week for donations. I listen to this station about three or four hours a day. My contribution is about $100-150 a year. I can afford that and for what they offer me, it's well worth it. I choose to donate because I believe in what they have to offer and I can't stand most commercial radio or tv.
I said that because like public radio or tv, we don't have commercials to keep us afloat. MS has always relied on contributions from those who believe in what we do.
Let me break down a few of the costs. We have a 800 line for people to call in for help. That costs money each month.
We pay a part time administrative assistant, Trisha, to handle the calls, process the mail to the mailbox in DC (which costs money each month to rent and forward the mail to her home). All that costs money each month.
The 12 people on the board of directors are expected to pay their costs to attend the board meetings twice a year. If we are in business, we take time off when we don't make money or have to use personal days from work. Each board meeting costs each of us between $800-1200 for out of pocket expenses that we don't get back.
There is no income for any of us who spend a few hours a month on board activities, nor for those who spend hours a DAY on MS business, like running or moderating or other business on the website. This is all done because we believe in the mission.
We also have to pay for the newsletter and membership directory printing and mailing. We have costs of staying legal and paying a server to host the website and all the good stuff there.
The money comes from somewhere. Most of the board members, because they believe in the organization, are not only members, but we contribute hundreds or thousands of dollars each to keep this operation working.
We are not trying to "guilt" anyone into being a member. We are simply stating facts. The retreats have cost us money or broken even. The conferences every two years usually break even or give us a little breathing room. Unfortunately, this year's conference was a financial disaster (our first) and we had to bring out the notices that we are in big trouble and we need money.
Obviously, we do not want to make anyone feel bad because we are asking for money. If you believe that we are trying to "guilt" people into making contributions they cannot make, please understand that we are not. We are sensitive that people have guilt or other triggers.
If you truly cannot help us out for even a few bucks, we are REALLY ok with that. We are not trying to threaten or guilt anyone into giving. All we are asking is that if you have benefitted from this site or the organization, and have the capacity to contribute to our solvency, please do so.
I don't know how I can be more honest and open about our motives and the financial situation than this.
Ken Singer
Chair, Communications and Education Committee
I said that because like public radio or tv, we don't have commercials to keep us afloat. MS has always relied on contributions from those who believe in what we do.
Let me break down a few of the costs. We have a 800 line for people to call in for help. That costs money each month.
We pay a part time administrative assistant, Trisha, to handle the calls, process the mail to the mailbox in DC (which costs money each month to rent and forward the mail to her home). All that costs money each month.
The 12 people on the board of directors are expected to pay their costs to attend the board meetings twice a year. If we are in business, we take time off when we don't make money or have to use personal days from work. Each board meeting costs each of us between $800-1200 for out of pocket expenses that we don't get back.
There is no income for any of us who spend a few hours a month on board activities, nor for those who spend hours a DAY on MS business, like running or moderating or other business on the website. This is all done because we believe in the mission.
We also have to pay for the newsletter and membership directory printing and mailing. We have costs of staying legal and paying a server to host the website and all the good stuff there.
The money comes from somewhere. Most of the board members, because they believe in the organization, are not only members, but we contribute hundreds or thousands of dollars each to keep this operation working.
We are not trying to "guilt" anyone into being a member. We are simply stating facts. The retreats have cost us money or broken even. The conferences every two years usually break even or give us a little breathing room. Unfortunately, this year's conference was a financial disaster (our first) and we had to bring out the notices that we are in big trouble and we need money.
Obviously, we do not want to make anyone feel bad because we are asking for money. If you believe that we are trying to "guilt" people into making contributions they cannot make, please understand that we are not. We are sensitive that people have guilt or other triggers.
If you truly cannot help us out for even a few bucks, we are REALLY ok with that. We are not trying to threaten or guilt anyone into giving. All we are asking is that if you have benefitted from this site or the organization, and have the capacity to contribute to our solvency, please do so.
I don't know how I can be more honest and open about our motives and the financial situation than this.
Ken Singer
Chair, Communications and Education Committee
crisispoint
Registrant
I, too, do not want to seem like I'm ungrateful. Ken, you guys do a really good job, but these banner warnings do scare people.
I guess that's their purpose, and they do get your attention, but I wish there were a better way.
I guess there isn't. You know that better than I do.
And, yes, I'm really appreciative of the help I get here. And the guys, I'd be lost without you, really.
It may not be this week, but something is coming, both for membership and a little extra. It'll hurt, but this board and the website are worth it. You've saved my life. You really have.
Peace,
Scot
I guess that's their purpose, and they do get your attention, but I wish there were a better way.
I guess there isn't. You know that better than I do.
And, yes, I'm really appreciative of the help I get here. And the guys, I'd be lost without you, really.
It may not be this week, but something is coming, both for membership and a little extra. It'll hurt, but this board and the website are worth it. You've saved my life. You really have.
Peace,
Scot
Fred Tolson
Registrant
Hi guys,
The open letter on the home page and the discussion board was provided to notify members and visitors of this site of our current financial needs. I appreciate that everyone who reads this letter will have differing views and feelings about it.
I want to talk with you about our programs and funding. Ken did a great job explaining how the board and other activities work.
Conferences
More than 450 persons registered for the 2001 NY conference. This was our most financially successful conference ever. The profits from this conference enabled us to purchase this discussion board, our chat room and underwrite retreats for survivors.
This years conference was not financially successful. I was there and the board met several times for very long hours beginning the planning for our recovery.
We are dependant upon conference profits to fund us until we can develop an organization that will attract the attention of foundations and other sources.
Retreats
Like this website our retreats are not profitable programs. Our team of facilitators has never been paid for their participation or the countless hours needed to find facilities and plan safe and healing retreats. In addition, they have sacrificed income and time away from professional endeavors to make these retreats possible. The decision was made to subsidize these retreats in hopes that eventually they would pay for themselves. This hasnt happened yet, but we continue to provide what we believe is our most important program for our members and other survivors. You dont have to be a member of MS to attend our retreats.
This web site.
This site began in 1993. The costs to host it came from individuals at that time. No one associated with this site has ever received any compensation and yet thousands of volunteer hours are donated every year to maintain and provide new services for our users. The cost to host this site and provide this discussion board and our chat room are derived from profits of past conferences.
By now Im sure you appreciate that conference profits are our most valuable income source. All of our programs are funded by conference profits. None of them are self-sufficient. We do not charge for access to the web site. We price our conference and retreat fees to recover costs as much as possible and to make them as affordable as we can.
I believe we are not threatening to take anything away. We are trying to survive. We do not have the operating capitol to fund MS or our programs next year. You may ask, Why not? Whos in charge? How did we allow this to happen?. Frankly, I would have questions to. The answers are at once complex and simple, but more importantly, we have fearlessly looked for ours and others mistakes and have taken steps to prevent them from re-occurring.
Fellas, our letter is in no way a threat. I believe it is an accurate account of the current status of MS. Nothing more.
The future.
Are we going to allow MS to disappear? No. And how do we propose to do this?
We have asked for financial support.
We are negotiating with our debtors.
We have retained professional help.
We posted our letter on this web site and because we have done this, new and exciting opportunities have presented themselves and we are responding to them. Will these opportunities be enough? I dont know. Are we going to place our future in them? No. We will continue to seek answers. The only thing I do know is that if we survivors ignore our needs then its foolishness to believe others will help us.
Look at what you have accomplished. 26,000 voices have broken the silence on this very forum! I remember the excitement I felt when I first met another survivor online. I know how important this forum and MS is to all of us. Its just as important to my fellow board members as it is to you.
I made a very modest contribution and I felt empowered by the opportunity to be a part of the solution.
You are important to our future because you are our future. Your voice is priceless. You can help us ensure that you and those who follow us will always have this opportunity to share, support each other and destroy the myths of our existence. I will never surrender and MS needs your financial help if you can provide it. Its that simpleat least for me.
Fred Tolson
Survivor
President-Elect
Curmudgeon
The open letter on the home page and the discussion board was provided to notify members and visitors of this site of our current financial needs. I appreciate that everyone who reads this letter will have differing views and feelings about it.
I want to talk with you about our programs and funding. Ken did a great job explaining how the board and other activities work.
Conferences
More than 450 persons registered for the 2001 NY conference. This was our most financially successful conference ever. The profits from this conference enabled us to purchase this discussion board, our chat room and underwrite retreats for survivors.
This years conference was not financially successful. I was there and the board met several times for very long hours beginning the planning for our recovery.
We are dependant upon conference profits to fund us until we can develop an organization that will attract the attention of foundations and other sources.
Retreats
Like this website our retreats are not profitable programs. Our team of facilitators has never been paid for their participation or the countless hours needed to find facilities and plan safe and healing retreats. In addition, they have sacrificed income and time away from professional endeavors to make these retreats possible. The decision was made to subsidize these retreats in hopes that eventually they would pay for themselves. This hasnt happened yet, but we continue to provide what we believe is our most important program for our members and other survivors. You dont have to be a member of MS to attend our retreats.
This web site.
This site began in 1993. The costs to host it came from individuals at that time. No one associated with this site has ever received any compensation and yet thousands of volunteer hours are donated every year to maintain and provide new services for our users. The cost to host this site and provide this discussion board and our chat room are derived from profits of past conferences.
By now Im sure you appreciate that conference profits are our most valuable income source. All of our programs are funded by conference profits. None of them are self-sufficient. We do not charge for access to the web site. We price our conference and retreat fees to recover costs as much as possible and to make them as affordable as we can.
I believe we are not threatening to take anything away. We are trying to survive. We do not have the operating capitol to fund MS or our programs next year. You may ask, Why not? Whos in charge? How did we allow this to happen?. Frankly, I would have questions to. The answers are at once complex and simple, but more importantly, we have fearlessly looked for ours and others mistakes and have taken steps to prevent them from re-occurring.
Fellas, our letter is in no way a threat. I believe it is an accurate account of the current status of MS. Nothing more.
The future.
Are we going to allow MS to disappear? No. And how do we propose to do this?
We have asked for financial support.
We are negotiating with our debtors.
We have retained professional help.
We posted our letter on this web site and because we have done this, new and exciting opportunities have presented themselves and we are responding to them. Will these opportunities be enough? I dont know. Are we going to place our future in them? No. We will continue to seek answers. The only thing I do know is that if we survivors ignore our needs then its foolishness to believe others will help us.
Look at what you have accomplished. 26,000 voices have broken the silence on this very forum! I remember the excitement I felt when I first met another survivor online. I know how important this forum and MS is to all of us. Its just as important to my fellow board members as it is to you.
I made a very modest contribution and I felt empowered by the opportunity to be a part of the solution.
You are important to our future because you are our future. Your voice is priceless. You can help us ensure that you and those who follow us will always have this opportunity to share, support each other and destroy the myths of our existence. I will never surrender and MS needs your financial help if you can provide it. Its that simpleat least for me.
Fred Tolson
Survivor
President-Elect
Curmudgeon
I see it as some of this is for the family, and some is for guests.
The family are those people who are dues paying members, plus those who regularly use the discussion forum, plus those who use the chat room. So, some things are said for us and we have our understanding of them.
Then, there are the large areas at the beginning of the Fourm, perhaps of Chat, I don't know because I don't go there. It is good for us, who are members of the family to know about the family business.
But, we also have quests who visit our place. Undoubtedly, at times there are guests who visit, who could be of very great finanical aid to MS. They are the ones who need to see the brightly colored areas expressing need for finanical assistance.
I know that I have written a number of people and asked them to come to MS and look at the site. Some of those people are in fact, people of significant means, and some are those that could give more modestly. I want them to see the large announcements. They understand the problems of organizations like ours, because they contribute to many of them. I really hope that they will be moved to read enough to understand our needs and respond.
They are fortunate, because they do not NEED any of our services. But, they could sure learn from reading our forums and the many papers we have here.
Those of us who grew up in a poor family know that at times we were told that we would not be able to get some new clothes, or we had to make our shoes last a couple months more, or we had the ever present macaroni and cheese dinners. It was just a part of life. I wish I had been the son of millionaires, but I wasn't. Lots of us weren't.
So men, members of the family, we need not look at these ads as anything other than letting us know the situation, asking for help if we can give it, or for us to let others know who might be able and wanting to be of help. but mostly, I think that they are for our guests.
Like Dave, I read it once and now I just scroll past it. If some new news gets posted, it will need to be in some other form for me to see it, simply because I do scroll to the places where the rest of the family are.
Peace bros.
Bob
The family are those people who are dues paying members, plus those who regularly use the discussion forum, plus those who use the chat room. So, some things are said for us and we have our understanding of them.
Then, there are the large areas at the beginning of the Fourm, perhaps of Chat, I don't know because I don't go there. It is good for us, who are members of the family to know about the family business.
But, we also have quests who visit our place. Undoubtedly, at times there are guests who visit, who could be of very great finanical aid to MS. They are the ones who need to see the brightly colored areas expressing need for finanical assistance.
I know that I have written a number of people and asked them to come to MS and look at the site. Some of those people are in fact, people of significant means, and some are those that could give more modestly. I want them to see the large announcements. They understand the problems of organizations like ours, because they contribute to many of them. I really hope that they will be moved to read enough to understand our needs and respond.
They are fortunate, because they do not NEED any of our services. But, they could sure learn from reading our forums and the many papers we have here.
Those of us who grew up in a poor family know that at times we were told that we would not be able to get some new clothes, or we had to make our shoes last a couple months more, or we had the ever present macaroni and cheese dinners. It was just a part of life. I wish I had been the son of millionaires, but I wasn't. Lots of us weren't.
So men, members of the family, we need not look at these ads as anything other than letting us know the situation, asking for help if we can give it, or for us to let others know who might be able and wanting to be of help. but mostly, I think that they are for our guests.
Like Dave, I read it once and now I just scroll past it. If some new news gets posted, it will need to be in some other form for me to see it, simply because I do scroll to the places where the rest of the family are.
Peace bros.
Bob
Gentlemen, At first blush it may seem like a good idea to separate the retreats, conferences and the website. However, I wonder, if the last conference had been a huge financial success, and the profits had been funnelled to help pay for this website, would people still want to distance themselves from the conferences?? For some of us the website is of primary importance, for others it may be the retreats or the conferences. But at the end of the day, we are all under the same Male Survivor umbrella. Our financial successes, failures, debts and realities are shared responsibilities. For those of us who are not due paying members, please try. If everyone paid the minimum membership fee, we would be clearly in the black. I joined last week, and although I am uncertain as to what the real difference is, I am happy to give a little something back to the MS community. Peace to all, Andrew
I think its good that these concerns werere raised, and the board members had a chance to respond in depth. Survivors often feel guilt for not doing something well enough, and some might feel that about the site asking for contributions. Just do what you can, know that whatever you do to show that you appreciate this site is good enough, and we will pull through. I;m glad the need is stated honestly and publicly, rather than having a bad surprise in the future when it is too late to help. I would be much more disturbed to find the site gone suddenly, without warning. Just my three cents.
James_dup1
Registrant
Well this thread has taken on a life of it's own. How many threads have we seen do that. As for me the letter posted on the web page doesnt make me feel guilty at all, I do feel bad because Im not in a place right now that I can send even $1.00. But I have faith in the leadership this site has. Everything they have done has been for one goal and that stated in me mission statement. I dont feel that anyone has ever tried to guilt me into doing anything I couldnt do while here. All I have gotten is 100% support even though Im not a member. Besides I wonder how many memberships the board has given away. So being a member doesnt sound like a big money maker to me. So keep up the good work.
James
James
When I made the orginal post, I in no way intended to critize "the powers that be." This board is very important to me. I fully appreciate board members responding and looking for other sources of income. I understand that all of the announcements are necessary. The creators and maintainers of this site are saints who are rightly responding to financial realiy. But, I usuallly come here after battling what I battle every day. It's a place to rest and meet others. It now looks to me as just anther war zone. I know that that must sound incredibly selfish, but that is what I feel.
Green
Green
James_dup1
Registrant
Green,
In your post you made reference to "the power to be"...not sure if Im taking it right, but I wanted to say that if my post under that name made you feel as if I was impliing you or anyone else was or has bad mouthed the people that run this board Im very sorry for that. That is not the reason I made the post. So please understand that was the last thing I wanted to do. I wrote it for my own reason's not the way I was interpeting what anyone else was saying. Please Green understand I respect your views and would never try to make you feel like how your feeling isnt important....Im truly very very sorry if thats the way you took my post....
And if thats not what you ment in your's then forget I said this
James
In your post you made reference to "the power to be"...not sure if Im taking it right, but I wanted to say that if my post under that name made you feel as if I was impliing you or anyone else was or has bad mouthed the people that run this board Im very sorry for that. That is not the reason I made the post. So please understand that was the last thing I wanted to do. I wrote it for my own reason's not the way I was interpeting what anyone else was saying. Please Green understand I respect your views and would never try to make you feel like how your feeling isnt important....Im truly very very sorry if thats the way you took my post....
And if thats not what you ment in your's then forget I said this
James