Help please, desperate for advice

Help please, desperate for advice

ladyinwaiting

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I met a man a year ago who I absolutely fell head over heels in love with. I committed to him heart and soul and that was it. He recently began disclosing to me. I am the first person he ever told about his SA by his own mother. His telling me took about 3 weeks to really get it all out. A week after a very emotional conversation, he cried so much and was so open during this talk, he ended up leaving our home, moving out. He is staying at his boss' in a trailor and I am sitting here trying to figure out what happened. He came over this weekend ( I had no contact with him for 9 days) and told me he still loved me more than anything. He told me he felt like I just wanted to fix it, that he didn't feel ok being who he was around me anymore, that he isn't feeling good about himself, that he is lost somewhere, but I know where he is and would I please come and find him. I admit I did immediately want to fix it for him, I wanted to learn what i could, I wanted to help him heal. After he left, I realized in my doing that I took control of something he can only control. I know I wouldn't appreciate it if someone were trying to shove a thing down my throat in its entirety that I could only handle in bits and pieces. I feel like the biggest failure and the biggest fool. I didn't know what to do, I just saw the man I love so much hurting and I wanted to help. I didn't help. Somehow I ran him away and I want desperately for him to come back home. I don't know what to do to show him I didn't mean to do that, I learned from my mistake. I desperately want to do what I need to for him...but how do I do that when I don't know what that is. Please everyone tell me from your experience what can I do to show him, he is safe with me? What can I do to bring this man home? How can I figure out how to find him as he asked me to? PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!
 
LIW,

You've come to the right place here at MS. First suggestion would be to check out the rest of the topics on family and friends. Please remember that you, just like your man, are not alone. He must have felt so safe with you to disclose his SA. That's something that can be built on.

I promise to write more this evening but at this moment I'm gone for the day. I didn't want you to wake up this morning and find no replies.

Have patience with your man and, for today, your many new supporters here at MS. We're here for you.

Thank you for reaching out.

Zipser
 
Ladyinwaiting,

Your guy has been going through hell in getting all this on the table. It has probably been bottled up for a long time, now here it is. My guess is he cares for you enormously and just can't bear continuing the relationship without being honest with you. That's of course a very good thing.

But releasing everything like this is enormously traumatic and emotional. Old feelings from when you were a boy can come surging back, and present fears and frustrations can be just overwhelming. For example, he may feel that the abuse was his fault (that's very common). He may fear that since he could not maintain a proper relationship with his mother, that somehow means things will go wrong with you. He may feel ashamed, worthless, inadequate; certainly he is very upset and confused.

All this is a normal reaction to releasing all this crap. It just eats us up, and sometimes when it comes out it's practically explosive. Your man probably didn't have much of an idea of exactly what he wanted or needed when he told you over those three weeks. But being sexually abused is just about the worst thing that can happen to a boy and he has a lot to cry about, believe me.

It's very important that you understand that you did NOTHING wrong in the way you responded and tried to "fix it". I think that's a natural and very compassionate reaction, and being unfamiliar with the issues what else were you to do? But what he needed was just to be heard, BELIEVED, held and allowed to cry. Abusers are experts at making boys shut up and convincing them that they won't be believed if they tell. What he needed to hear was probably nothing more than assurances that you hear him and believe him and you still love him - that's it. Suggestions for a fix ring totally hollow when you are in an emotional storm like this one.

But don't beat on yourself over how this has worked out so far. I noticed this in particular:

I feel like the biggest failure and the biggest fool...I didn't help. Somehow I ran him away...
None of this is true. You are not a failure. He left because he was so traumatized he had to find a safe place to go to think and regain his composure. By "safe" I mean somewhere not at all connected with his problems; it was nothing against you personally and I doubt very much that it was a reaction to anything you said.

It is a natural response for a caring partner to try to "fix" things, and here again you have done nothing wrong. Like I said, what were you to do? But proposing "fixes" is problematic, and not just because it's not your problem to fix (though that is true enough, and important). I have the same difficulty with my wife and we have been married close to 25 years. I talk and she immediately starts making suggestions about how I could do this or try that - Mrs. "Fix it". But sometimes I just need to get something out of my system; I just want to be heard and be assured that she still cares for me despite everything that happened when I was a boy and despite the problems I still have today. I'm in tears and trying to choke out the words, and there is no way I am in any condition to discuss a solution. I KNOW she means well and just wants to help. But I feel like I am not being heard or understood, and somehow I feel robbed: it's like the conversation isn't about MY pain anymore, it's about HER solution. This is something that gets resolved by talking about it.

I know this is rough, but I can already see some very good signs in what you say. First, he told you: that means there is a lot of trust that you can build on. As Zipser noticed already, he feels safe with you. Second, he has come back to assure you that he loves you. Finally, he wants your help:

He told me he felt like I just wanted to fix it, that he didn't feel ok being who he was around me anymore, that he isn't feeling good about himself, that he is lost somewhere, but I know where he is and would I please come and find him.
Ask the guys here how familiar that sounds; that's a survivor seething with emotion and asking someone very important to him for help. That's a real act of courage and devotion, and I'll tell you, I cried when I read that part.

Look around the site and you will see an enormous amount going on and being discussed. Like Zipser I would say check out the "Family and Friends" forum; there you will find other people like yourself dealing with similar issues. Your partner may want to consider coming in here as well. This is a very safe place, and he will find a lot of guys who will listen to him and support him.

Take care,
Larry
 
This is so much a sad story for me because your feelings are so so familiar to me. I also cried when I read it. Two things happened at the same time.
Three months ago I found out my partner had been secretly having sex with men for all of our nine years together and thought he must be gay.

A few days later he disclosed to me being abused as a child. By this time I had kicked him and most of his things out of our house and was absolutly devastated.
I was so torn, I was so upset for him because of the abuse but so angry with him for the deceipt and just felt just a failure.
By kicking him out of the house I'd done the thing he feared most and rejected him and then in complete cofusion I was racing about trying to get help for him because I still loved him and wanted try and help him. In hindsight I don't know how either of us got thought that period least of all him!!

He had gone to live at his parents (an unhealthy place to be and he didn't feel safe there). After about 3 weeks I moved out and he moved back into our house, he said he felt safe there, and I just couldn't live with him. Giving up the house was the most I had to offer.

We saw each other infrequently and at couples councelling and other than that I left him to it apart from having left a list of potential resources/support that I scrapped together through work contacts. I was just too confused, guilty, hurt and angry to do much else.

It has taken three months of couples councelling for me to accept that my reaction was a normal one given the circumstances. Meanwhile he has found himself a fantatsic therapist and has concluded that he is in fact not gay but has been re enacting what happened to him as a child.

THE most important thing I've learned is to listen very carefully to what he says he wants/ needs. He knows best, better than his therapist, better than me, better than anyone.

I'd say if your man feels safe where he is then let him stay there and tel him that you respect his wishes. Maybe he needs to feel in control at the moment.

I am not an expert but my feeling is that he needs to find himself.
I don't think you can find him. Keep telling him you have learned and won't try to fix things for him, that you love him and want him. Even this is hard because from experience some of those words can be a trigger to remind him of what happened to him.

Try to be as consistent as you can. You have done something right for this man to love and trust you. KEEP DOING IT W
 
This is so much a sad story for me because your feelings are so so familiar to me. I also cried when I read it. Two things happened to me at virtualy the same time.
Three months ago I found out my partner had been secretly having sex with men for all of our nine years together.

A few days later he disclosed to me being abused by a man as a child. By this time I had kicked him and most of his things out of our house and was absolutly devastated.

He went to stay at his parents although he didn't feel very safe there.
I was so torn, I was now so upset for him because of the abuse but so angry with him for the deceipt and just felt just a failure.

By kicking him out of the house I'd done the thing he feared most and rejected him and then in complete cofusion I then set about racing round trying to help him because I still loved him and wanted to try and help him, I also thought that if I could help him I could maybe save our relationship. In hindsight I don't know how either of us got through that period least of all him!!
The more I tried to help, including trying to persuade him to come home, the more reluctant he was to leave his parents, he said at least there he could shut himself away and not have help pushed on him. This is what I was doing.

After about three weeks of reading about CSA and listening to him I started to understand. I moved out and he moved back into our house, he said he felt safe there. Giving up the house was the best thing I could offer him.

We saw each other infrequently and at couples councelling and other than that I left him to it apart from having left a list of potential resources/support that I scrapped together and regular texts and phonecalls where I listened to him and kept telling him I still loved him and why.

THE most important thing I've learned is to listen very carefully to what he says he wants/ needs. He knows best, better than his therapist, better than me, better than anyone.

I'd say if your man feels safe where he is then let him stay there and tell him that you respect his wishes and will honour his decision to come home when he wants to, because you love and want him,(even if all you want is for him to come home NOW). Ask him if he wants you to visit him where he is and if he does try and go. Maybe he needs to feel in control at the moment.

I am not an expert but my feeling is that he needs to find himself.
I don't think you can find him. Explain calmly to him that this is also difficult for you, that you made a mistake, and that you are trying and will keep trying hard to learn, that you will listen to him and that you have learned an important lesson and won't try to fix things for him, that you love him and want him and will keep listening to him.

Try to be as consistent as you can. You have done something right for this man to love and trust you, keep telling him all the things about him that you love, remind him who it is that you love and why. KEEP DOING IT but also listen to him if he tells you he needs something. I guess by staying at his boss' house he is telling you he needs that space.

A really good book I read was Allies in Healing - Laura Davies. You can get it on Amazon.

I really feel for you its an awful position to be in. This web site is really good and there are loads of people with lots of experience and understanding.

Good luck
Love

Tracy
 
LIW

Sorry for the two messages. I sent the first one by accident and was still reading it through making sure it was exactly how it was. I find it hard to articulate exactly how it was and how I feel.

Sorry for any confusion. The second one was what I realy wnated to say.

Love

Tracy
 
Hello LIW,

Back as promised but after reading Larry's excellent post there's not much more to add. Just know in your heart that you can ask any question that comes to mind on this discussion board. We're not the trained professionals but we can certainly share our thoughts and offer suggestions and some guidance.

Please be sure to take care of yourself as well. That's very important as well. You must be a special person.

Take care.

Zipser
 
Well this is my second attempt at adding to this thread. The first time I started my reply I began crying and got so confused and worked up. This time was more managable ...

Obviously LIW you have already proved extremely trustful and loving. Right now listening, validating the pain, providing assurance that your love is as strong as ever, and simply just saying that your there to support him in what he needs is a strong approach.

Here's some of what I've went through or am going through that may be insightful. My primary defense mechanism is that I sooo desire to be emotionally independent, although I soooo despartely want to be interpendently loving with someone. Primarily because of the abuse I experienced but also because of not feeling I could emotionally depend on anyone to listen to me and help me once the abuse began. The first friend that I told I withdrew from talking with her and reponding to her communications for about 2 months. Now that I've recently told my love ones its like I'm waiting for the moment when I can't depend on them anymore. I'm waiting and over anticipating that they will let me down. So its hard to reach out to them because I'm waiting for them to shut me out. Its like the 5 year old part of me that got abused is testing them ... seeing if they will let me down and not be there for me. As more time goes by and they "prove" that they are dependable the more I want to be around them and be more open.

RoadRunner said something interesting:

I KNOW she means well and just wants to help. But I feel like I am not being heard or understood, and somehow I feel robbed: it's like the conversation isn't about MY pain anymore, it's about HER solution.
When I hear them began giving advice I begin to feel like they are discounting my pain. I rationally know that my loved one's are struggling to help and that they go into advice mode. I get all worked and angry when they do this. I think to myself "don't you think I've tried that already" and when they don't let up I frustratingly tell them. It seems easier to take or to hear when they preface it by "Maybe you can..." or "You may have already tried this but what about" or simply plain asking "how can I help you right now"

It's like I just want to be sure they want to help me and that I can have some control of how much they help me. I need to see and hear that they want to help. Then I'll slowly be open to letting them help me more and more as they "prove" themselves.
 
Thanks to all of you who were willing to take the time to respond to my post. I feel scared, very lost, and so angry with myself for not having the wisdom to know what to do with a hurt such as his. But you all have helped me and I took a step today by writing him a letter and telling him how sorry I was for taking control of what was his to control. I tried very hard to let him know that my opinion of him has not diminsihed in any way, in fact if anything it has made me love him more. He is a hero to me for being what he is...a wonderful man who is also a survivor of what cannot even be imagined by most people and I let him know that. I tried to tell him that I love him for who he is and that I am here for him if he should need me, not to be "Ms. Fix It" but to be his rock to lean on. I told him it took a great deal of courage to reach out the way he did to me and to come back here on friday not knowing what he'd find when he came and that it showed a real pure beautiful kind of love that he would do that. I don't know if it will help, but after the damage I caused by not knowing what to do, I can take that it might take time to earn his trust again. I am willing to walk through hell if need be if that is what I have to do to find him. I love him and that is what you do for people you truly love. Thanks to all of you guys for your help. I feel sure you will all see a lot more of me as I know this isn't going to be easy.
 
Lady,

Please don't beat on yourself over this. You did nothing wrong; you haven't broken his trust or damaged him. In trying to offer a solution you did what any caring and compassionate partner would do.

In this kind of situation the problem isn't so much with the partner's proposed solution - the proposal may be a great one, who knows. The difficulty is that the survivor is in such a bad bad emotional spot; there's just no way he can take anything like that on board. Rationally he knows you just want to help, but it's not a rational moment. But that isn't your fault. You're being bombarded by revelations you didn't expect and are probably trying to think from second to second.

I wouldn't play this up at all or regard it as a crisis. It's just a "we live and learn" moment, and it shows how important it will be for both of you to talk and express how you feel, and make sure the other feels safe in doing the same.

I hope we do see a lot more of you. You are a remarkable and caring woman and he is lucky to have you in his corner.

Take care,
Larry
 
Hi ladyinwaiting,

When I first came here, I read a post in which a survivor said something very similar to what Larry said to you-- that he would sit down with every intention of talking to his wife, but that if she replied, he'd basically just close his mouth and let her talk, and not start up again. It made a big impression on me.

That being said, there is NOTHING WRONG with wanting to learn all that you can about sexual abuse and its effects. That is how I cope too; the more information I have about something that scares me, the safer I feel. It's how I take control-- and since his healing efforts have to come from him, it's about the only source of control in this whole thing that you might have right now. I realize, though, that this is what I do for me, not for my boyfriend.

You don't have to be anyone else besides your own best self-- the person you were before he started disclosing. That person is the one he felt safe with, remember.

SAR
 
Ladyinwaiting,

I just want to throw a word of support behind something that SAR said:

You don't have to be anyone else besides your own best self-- the person you were before he started disclosing. That person is the one he felt safe with, remember.
This is so true! Both of you are struggling to come to terms with what he has disclosed, and it isn't easy for anyone concerned - not him and not you. You both have your own reactions and feelings, and somehow a way forward has to be found by both of you together. It may take time, but in all likelihood, so also did the damage that caused everything.

What is SO important is that both of you understand that what has happened is not your fault - not his, sure, but not yours either. He trusted you when he decided it all had to come out. Just let him see that this trust was well-placed. Look forward. You don't owe ANYONE any apology.

Take care,
Larry
 
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