Does anyone wonder what became of the photos an abuser took?

[lapchinj]

A few years back I saw an interview with a retired detective who dealt with these issues. He worked pre internet days and said even at that time it was widespread and the pedophiles and other predators surprisingly were very well organized and shared the smut as well as trafficked.

I would imagine that in the '60s you could get naked child photos developed in any pharmacy, Where I was in NYC if you had real porn you would have to take it to a lab which was usually run by the mafia or given protection by them. With digital cameras even on phones it's easy to produce porn. it's easier to get caught also which is good.

I was trafficked and spent a lot of time rented out to spend the day, night or both with photographers. If I spend a day and part of an evening with a photographer (together with another boy) he could take easily 1,000 photos in a day. I figure that back in the early '60s a camera like the Rolleiflex, Rolleicord or a Pentax SLR which I have from the '60s you could snap all day long replacing the film cartridge and take more photos. 8mm film was also a big seller.

My best friend's sister from where we would move to when I was 9 who I met when I was 8 Used to take B&W photos of us and I guess she sold them or traded them for drugs, etc. used to get our photos into those boy magazines. She would develop B&W photos in her parent's basement and if she took color photos, she sent them out to a lab which back then were run by the mafia.

There were thousands of photos and hundreds of movies taken of me before I went into the USAF. I'm sure a lot of them had to have survived in someone collection and traded down to the younger pedos. Where are all those photos and movies now. I would say probably a lot survived and were scanned in and the movies made into MP4's. There were photos and home movies taken of me when I was trafficked to a john. Johns always took photos of me when I was taken to them. A lot of johns took home movies of me also. I'm sure a lot of those films were digitized and sent down to the deep dark web. Porn is porn whether it fresh or vintage porn. there were a lot of people buying those boy magazines from the corner newsstand back in the day. I'm sure that those magazines would be classified as porn today.

 

[GaD3!]

I would imagine that in the '60s you could get naked child photos developed in any pharmacy, Where I was in NYC if you had real porn you would have to take it to a lab which was usually run by the mafia or given protection by them. With digital cameras even on phones it's easy to produce porn. it's easier to get caught also which is good.

I was trafficked and spent a lot of time rented out to spend the day, night or both with photographers. If I spend a day and part of an evening with a photographer (together with another boy) he could take easily 1,000 photos in a day. I figure that back in the early '60s a camera like the Rolleiflex, Rolleicord or a Pentax SLR which I have from the '60s you could snap all day long replacing the film cartridge and take more photos. 8mm film was also a big seller.

My best friend's sister from where we would move to when I was 9 who I met when I was 8 Used to take B&W photos of us and I guess she sold them or traded them for drugs, etc. used to get our photos into those boy magazines. She would develop B&W photos in her parent's basement and if she took color photos, she sent them out to a lab which back then were run by the mafia.

There were thousands of photos and hundreds of movies taken of me before I went into the USAF. I'm sure a lot of them had to have survived in someone collection and traded down to the younger pedos. Where are all those photos and movies now. I would say probably a lot survived and were scanned in and the movies made into MP4's. There were photos and home movies taken of me when I was trafficked to a john. Johns always took photos of me when I was taken to them. A lot of johns took home movies of me also. I'm sure a lot of those films were digitized and sent down to the deep dark web. Porn is porn whether it fresh or vintage porn. there were a lot of people buying those boy magazines from the corner newsstand back in the day. I'm sure that those magazines would be classified as porn today.

Ok, I admit it I am very naive! I had no idea that all that was going on at that time. It makes complete sense though, as the saying goes-nothing new under the sun. I was just very lucky. looking back I was so extremely vulnerable as kid, low hanging ripe fruit, waiting to be picked.

 

[axlr]

Yeah, lot of those photos were sick and would make you vomit. I was in a pre-internet world in the '60s when it was legal to make magazines with pictures of naked children. There was a law passed in 1958 that mad it OK for magazines like Playboy to show pictures of naked women in magazines if the pictures were not sexual in any way. So that made it legal to publish the boy magazines which I was in a lot of them. I don't mean that someone passed a law legalizing child porn but rather there were no CSA laws on the books to outlaw it. The hard-core child porn magazines were sold under the counter. Been there did that since the mid '50s.

It is an interestingly memory holed fact of history. There's something similar in Denmark, where commercial child pornography was legal and semi common practice for much of the 70s.

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[lapchinj]

Ok, I admit it I am very naive! I had no idea that all that was going on at that time.

Yeah, I had a lot of work in the '50s and '60s. I'm sure that some of my photos are on those FBI databases. That's one of the reasons that I didn't take a full face photo of me. In this photo i would imagine I was between 10 and 12.

The weird thing is that I had bought a Pentax SLR from the '60s from a porn photographer before I went into the USAF in '69. I never really used it because I was afraid of kids (my own also) and taking photos just reminds me of the porn shoots I was in. So I never really taken any photos of anything, even my family. The weird thing about the camera I bought off of that porn photog' I also bought an 8mm movie camera which I also never used. A shitload of photos and movies that went through those cameras of me. When I have a bad day I'll pull out the cameras and sit down with them for a while till I calm down and put them away for next time.

 

[lapchinj]

It is an interestingly memory holed fact of history. There's something similar in Denmark, where commercial child pornography was legal and semi common practice for much of the 70s.

Thanks for the link

I really don't recognize the company but I never really looked at child porn magazines unless I ended up in them. I watched some 8mm film with me in it but I don't think that I ever finished watching a movie. I would watch a movie and when I came on I basically couldn't believe the shit I did or was mixed up in back then. I was a good looking back then but so were all the other kids I worked with but it's sad when I saw my face, and the other kid also, looking at someone and not the camera to see what he/they wanted us to do next. the camera always rolled. it never stopped unless the movie was over or out of film. But it would show us discussing a scene or being yelled at because we fucked up. To see myself in a magazine was a lot easier to absorb than looking at a movie trying to absorb that. Because what you see in a movie is a living boy. It's like you're looking in a mirror. It would always remind me of the TV series "The Twilight Zone".

 

[.aseity]

There are those who do look at those images trying to catch the slime that produce and distribute it. I worked at a state university (a gardener) one of the campus police worked with a group of law enforcement- he would access the dark web looking to snare the crooks (I know too nice of a word), he had a punching bag in the room to deal with the rage he felt.

this was reminding me of a comment i read last year, around the discussion it was mentioned that AI (artificial intelligence) was being implemented to scan the images and videos to identify the children and perpetrators, which would spar the conscious of some detectives or so on.

had to find the post- https://forum.malesurvivor.org/threads/pedophilia-being-in-the-front-of-my-mind.85940/post-611109

i figured this was relevant

 

[Silly]

I don't look anything like I did. I'm not worried about being recognized. Everyone that knows I was in the pictures has died. And unless somone scanned them, they never made it to the internet age. But I'm still kinda bothered that people might be looking at them.

Exactly - I've wondered about this for a long time, especially since you stated "unless some scanned them"... it is a mild discomforting thought at this point, but it's still there.

 

[lapchinj]

I've wondered about this for a long time, especially since you stated "unless some scanned them"

I've found some of my bathing suit photos on the web. I'm sure there were people interested enough to scan them in (they're B&W). There are thousands of photos of me in them without my bathing suit out there. A lot of them were taken at the same time the bathing suit photos were taken. Porn never goes out of style. Over the past 12 years, I came across many magazines without my bathing suit on. I'm sure that there are naked photos of me out there. I'm sure that the 8mm home movies were turned into video and are also out there making money. When I say home movies most of them were taken in professional porn movie houses. It just happens to be on 8mm film. Nothing "home" about them.

 

[Silly]

... There are thousands of photos of me ...

Knowing a couple handfuls of polaroids may remain, maybe a 8mm... When you say THOUSANDS my heart crumples. I can't even fathom that number. It isn't just shocking... I can't find the vocabulary required to explain or express how that makes me feel. (((lapchinj)))

That's what my post in Poetry was about "Snowflakes"

 

[TJ jeff]

I've been thinking more lately again about the pictures taken in JP's basement - I do kind of wonder the "who" exactly one would be able to legaly contact to try to find out if they really are still out there in circulation?

 

[Greybeard]

There are thousands of photos of me

Never really gave a thought to how many photos there were. I can remember the sound of the camera(s) clicking, the fast sound, the ones expensive cameras made. I don't think there are thousands of me, but there must have been more than a hundred taken. Wow. Just never thought of it that way before. I'm not sure how many movies, and I don't really want to try to count because my head is already pounding

 

[lapchinj]

One thing I realized is that if photos were taken of a prepubic boy (or girl) chances are you won't be recognized. If someone had the photos I found in my stepparent's photo album nobody would recognize it. I recognized the two photos because they were of a very blond boy with no underpants, an outie belly-button and not circumcised. But I also recognize the backyard where it was taken and my nose and ears. I don't think that my stepparents would recognize me. I know the neighbor would recognize me because I slept with him and his wife for years.

Knowing a couple handfuls of polaroids may remain, maybe a 8mm

That's not easy to say what happened to them. They could be in a box in the ceiling, or between the pages of a book. They might even have been scanned in and now someplace on the web. They could be almost anywhere. I found two photos of me at around 2 years old tucked into the back of my stepparents photo album. The album were old photos from before I was adopted so there were not photos in there of me. most were from WWII and before. When they died I took their album to scan all those photos into my computer. I got to the back of the album and I found two photos of me around two years of age both with my pants down around my ankle and my shirt pull up to the top of my chest. Both photos were definitely porn. They were taken by the neighbor in his backyard when I was two years old. One thing I know is that my stepparents weren't into porn. My stepmother beat me a lot and kept me naked in the house and front and backyards. I never had underwear. So you never know who might have your photos. Maybe even someone that wasn't into porn

When you say THOUSANDS my heart crumples. I can't even fathom that number. It isn't just shocking

Thousands are easy for me to say. Photos were taken of me as early as 2 years old and ended when I was 24. When you figure that at a photoshoot they could easily use ten rolls of film that's 350 photos right there. How many got tossed because the photo was not so good - probably none. So you also had plenty of photos and videos taken.

I was in a lot of photoshoots. You can estimate that I had at least one photo shoot a week sometimes two or more. More than a few times I was taken for a four-day weekend and all the guy did was take photos. A lot of those photogs got more than just photos of me. A naked boy away for a two- or four-day weekend and sometimes for the week in the summer by an isolated cabin in the woods next to a lake. A lot went on besides just photos.

I've been thinking more lately again about the pictures taken in JP's basement

You were the one who opened the door for me to realize they could have been used to trade for drugs also. I remember in HS my schoolmates would trade photos of their nude or semi-nude girlfriends. I delivered a lot of small packages to other people or places. I don't know what was in those packages except I could tell if it was cash. I know papasan bought drugs for us kids. Yeah, so why not trade drugs for photos?

I do kind of wonder the "who" exactly one would be able to legaly contact to try to find out if they really are still out there in circulation?

I don't know if any of us will ever know. I know that in the early days of the internet ('90s?) I found more than a few photos of me in all my glory. Today that shit is so far down in the sub-basements of the net that I haven't come across anything since the early 2000s. I was able to find quite a few photo of me and also of me and other kids. Now I wouldn't look if I were paid. They did really bad shit to us kids back in the '50s and '60s and today it's a lot worse with video digital and not film. I would be interested in knowing or seeing what those two low-life shits did to you.

Never really gave a thought to how many photos there were. I can remember the sound of the camera(s) clicking, the fast sound, the ones expensive cameras made.

Sounds like a digital camera and not film. Either way there is a shitload of photos. If the guy took one he could just as easily shoot a hundred. Even the bad photos were tradable or sellable. As long as there was a dick in the photo it was worth something. Maybe not for a boy magazine but for someone's collection is more than very possible.

I'm not sure how many movies, and I don't really want to try to count because my head is already pounding

Besides photoshoots, all the johns took many photos and movies of their date (me). I'm sure you fit into the same category

 

[Silly]

All the pictures taken were for sure using a Polaroid... I can still hear that sound in my head... that whirring noise after the shutter click and when the picture was ejaculated from the camera. And the "tickey.tickey.tickey.tickey.tickey" of an 8mm camera. I wasn't alone in any of that.

 

[lapchinj]

when the picture was ejaculated

Sounds like real porn to me. The Polaroid I saw ejected it's photo. So I guess the one I saw was not used for porn
Yeah, I remember those cameras in the '60s. Guys who didn't know where to develop porn (mafia run) or didn't want anyone to know used those instant cameras. I don't know how many photos were in a package but the guys I saw and a bunch of packages of film

for movie cameras, they needed to find a mafia-run photo lab. I don't think they were too hard to find. They were developing 16mm film also.

I know my stepparents had one also but I only saw one photo they took with it of the three of us in front of a neighbor's house. I was really small so I guess we had moved to the area recently. I was probably 9. I was a shrimp in the photo, but I have to admit I was a good-looking shrimp. but still a shrimp with shrimp parts.

Whenever I look at that photo or others of me when I was even smaller I have no idea what in those pants turned perps on. I can understand that Perps wanted to rape me. but that really didn't matter once I was being raped at four years old. If it fit they did it.

 

[Tableau in Stasis]

I've been thinking more lately again about the pictures taken in JP's basement - I do kind of wonder the "who" exactly one would be able to legaly contact to try to find out if they really are still out there in circulation?

The NCMEC would be the ones. They ask for a physical description of you at the age, and any photos you might have at or around that age and as they search through their own database or more is discovered, they will alert you if they're in circulation and then take them down. At least that's what I've heard from other people who did that.

 

[lapchinj]

They ask for a physical description of you at the age, and any photos you might

I had actual photos of me and my best friend. But when I showed to my T he said they were porn and I have to get rid of them. They would have been the perfect photos to search for (no clothes) but destroyed them about 12 years ago. My parents never took photos of me past 4 years old and one taken by a neighbor when I was nine. no other way to search?

 

[TXRed]

no other way to search?

I contacted the NCMEC today about this. Waiting to hear back from the case worker. I have plenty of photos of myself at that age but I imagine if there was a good enough description it might be useful to them. Time period, age and appearance, description of others in the porn, birth marks, being uncircumcised, acts being done, details of surroundings, connections to already known criminal orgs.

I don’t know how they would search for it but I assume they categorize their database with descriptions included. It may come to law enforcement or a case worker showing you cropped photos of faces (highly doubt they'd show full pics) to identify if one of those boys are you.

That would be a lot to go into and I think safety would have to be taken into consideration. I’m not sure but I also assume one of the NCMEC or the law’s goal is to identify kids/people in the porn. They may ask further questions too. They will need your contact info to create a case. I think you’d have to weigh the risks if you go that route brother. Not trying to scare you but I know enough of your story to know, ya know?

 

[lapchinj]

Yeah, I don't think that I would give any of my personal info like name and stuff connected to a face. Then that face is matched to a group of people and then to a crime. I don't think that I could rest peacefully after I did something like that. I may not be an important person, but I could end up being a missing link to some crime which I wouldn't I don't know what they could tie me to but there wouldn't

Thanks for the info

Speak later

 

[TJ jeff]

You guys give me much to think about - contacting the nmec may indeed be a way of finding out if my photos are still being circulated - but it might drag me into unwanted publicity as I do think it was an organized group that they were trading the photos with in exchange for drugs - but I don't know anything about that drug group

I know my uncle had a few polaroids - I'm not worried about them so much - heck, I even stole one back from him once (had it hid in my room - strangely, it disappeared - nothing was ever said that anyone else found it - and I never did find it again - even when emptying the house out for foreclosure sale where I was certain that I would find it)

 

[Silly]

I can't even think of something like NCMEC for this... I'll just choose one the options that @lapchinj stated: they're wasting away in a box in somebody's attic... or better yet composting in a landfill somewhere. Those options give me a small amount of solace (just a small amount - I hope it's enough). The sad fact is that they're still in my memory... from a different point of view, but there all the same.