Computer hackers vs. pedophiles (Possible Trigger Warning)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Computer hackers vs. pedophiles (Possible Trigger Warning)
melliferal

melliferal

Registrant
There is a group of hackers, calling themselves "alt.hackers.malicious", or "AHM" for short, who have joined the forces of the anti-pedo movement. Not content to be passive like most anti-pedo organizations, AHM has gone proactive - and over the past year has been able to infiltrate the computers of a large number of pedos who belong to a group called "NAMBLA". AHM is able to read just about every email the leadership of NAMBLA send from their computers; thusly, they have discovered the names of several members, and have been able to alert police to the existence of several active pedophiles - apparently, the pervs can't help but brag to each other when they think no one else is listening. Well, someone's listening! And most of them (the pervs) don't even know it. Sweet!

The legality of what AHM is doing is dubious as far as I know. However, just as police can arrest someone if a thief who broke into their house found kiddy porn, the stuff AHM's anonymous hackers find is legal evidence and has been used by the authorities in a few cases.

If such is your wont, you may wish to stop by https://rikijo.blogspot.com and lend your verbal support. Or not. Either way, I am impressed and pleased that such people choose to be, in their way, on "our" side.
 
Hmmm... Interesting to say the least.

Not sure what I think of the tactics used, but...

Lots of love,

John
 
at least someone is doing something, which Im in favour of, traditional methods clearly dont work.
 
I am not in favour of letting them "know" it is happening.
What annoys me, that in this digital world, "anything" is possible.

Digital footprinting is not beyond the realms of experts, but governments fail to put them into force.

I wonder why?

ste
 
somebody should tell them about the boychat site maybe i will contact them about it ,i think their tactics are perfect ,kids never know the perp is around untill its too late ,its about time somebody gave them a dose of their own medicine.adam
 
Adam,

I think what I meant by my post above, is that it seems they are putting themselves at risk of ending up on the wrong side of the law. It's not that I dissaprove necessarily, I just hope they are careful.

Lots of love,

John
 
Down here in South Florida they are really hitting people hard that go online looking for underage kids to have sex with. They've busted a lot of people and some of them were high profile people as well. Broward County down here is extremely aggressive in this so at least in one part of the country something is being done. Don't know about other parts but I applaud Broward county for what they are doing. And it doesn't sound like there is any shortage of these people which is very sad.

Don
 
***********Triggers****************


This is how sick it really gets.
I found this on one of their investigative links.

"Describe yourself Primarily a nepiophile, the younger the better.
Currently a student at college, studying how to care for the little un's
properly. Admin here and at TKGL and looking after Lux' stuff whilst he's
gone.
Age of Attraction 00-10
Type of Attraction LGL

Occupation; Teacher (ish)

Interests: LG's, computers, messing about, reading... just stuff
basically
Age Category: Youth
Primary Language: English
MSN ID: [email protected]
AIM ID: SorrowLOCP
Personal Statement: Trust me...you don't wanna know...

That is the profile of a perp who aims to be a teacher! :mad:

ste
 
It might be a good idea to put a trigger warning on this thread. The pictures of NAMBLA members are pretty grim.

On tactics, I would be the last person to shed a tear for a perp who gets taken down by AHM. It's just that we get all kinds of trouble once we buy into the argument that the ends justify the means.

I'm surprised that illegally obtained information can be used in any court of law. But then again, I'm surprised that NAMBLA can be allowed to exist.

Larry
 
Originally posted by roadrunner:

On tactics, I would be the last person to shed a tear for a perp who gets taken down by AHM. It's just that we get all kinds of trouble once we buy into the argument that the ends justify the means.
Click to expand...
"The ends justify the means" is indeed a very dangerous position to take, as a general philosophy. I cannot say that if someone came up to me saying "let's start a hackers' club, where we go after pedophiles" I'd be all about it. I'd be sorely tempted, yes, but I'm not sure I would end up going with it.

Still, whatever's been done has been done, and now there is a whole lot of information being gathered out there that shouldn't be ignored.

Surfing the site for a while will net you a link to a message board where the members of this group post the emails they intercept. They usually obtain a name, then backtrace IPs and email headers until they've confidently identified the real person behind the email. Of course, being a pedophile is not illegal, nor is belonging to NAMBLA; so this information is more or less stored until the person in question sends an email alluding to a real illegal activity, or a wish to partake in illegal activity - at which point, phone calls are made.

There are other groups who operate a bit more legally, like "perverted-justice", whose members enter chatrooms disguised as young kids and wait for trolling perverts to hit on them (apparently it doesn't take long, sadly). They then play the naive kid role, and end up getting enough personal information to result in an arrest - because perverts are (thankfully) ridiculously stupid. So far, the only argument against such groups is from pro-pedos who seem to think that an adult going into a chatroom pretending to be, say, 13 is somehow more unethical or immoral than an adult finding a chatter who claims to be 13 and trying to setup a meeting for sex with him/her. Not quite sure how that works, but oh well.

PS Do not go to the perverted justice website. They post the chat logs there, and some of them have triggered ME...and I don't trigger for anything. Seriously.

Adam - do not worry; AHM seems to be all over boychat and a few other pedo boards; they also seem to be onto an apparent group of pedos on myspace.
 
i never trust things like this. it's too easy to plant the info--that is the nature of hacking--and say the person is a online-sexual predator. images and conversations may be date-stamped, but a lot of hackers know how to get around that and alter the dates, the images, or compromise any chats or emails.

and there's the element of baiting that really bothers me. it's one thing if a person deliberately seeks someone out who's a minor. it's another if the person is fooled into believing the individual he or she is speaking to is someone they are not. that's especially true since the age of consent is different in every state. what may be illegal in one state is legal in another. that sort of trickery is nothing more than entrapment.

P.S. i'm not pro-pedo. i'm just cautious of anything remotely overzealous and primarily based in self-righteousness like this is. most things of this nature have in the past turned for the worse and i see that this has become less about protecting children, which could be done by parents, families and neighbors supporting each other, than it is about simply inflicting as much damage on whoever is placed in front of us, guilty or not.
 
'Perverted Justice' do seem to be doing an effective job, and as Mel' says, there are some graphic transcripts of scams posted there.
But, if another perp gets busted and it ain't illegal ?????????????

Dave
 
To my knowledge, soliciting a minor for sex online is illegal all around; the age of consent does not apply to this particular crime.

I'm not necessarily sure I agree that it is entrapment. In all cases, the perpetrator who is caught was most definitely seeking out minors. The crime occurs when the wannabe is told that the person they are communicating with is 12 or 13, and they continue to solicit sex anyway. Entrapment is when some law enforcement officer entices or in some wise forces you to do something illegal which you wouldn't normally do. It's safe to say with confidence that if these perpetrators did not find someone pretending to be 12 or 13, they would keep looking until they found someone else claiming to be 12 or 13 (who might be telling the truth). This is the underlying principle which makes it not entrapment.
 
I guess a lot of my reservation about all this boils down to the scenario where a pedophile is arrested and then beats the rap because something wasn't done properly.

For example, don't scams meant to catch these guys have to be organized and operated by proper police officers? Is it really true that evidence obtained illegally can still be used in court?

I am just more comfortable with all this being in the hands of trained (and accountable!) professionals, regardless of the flaws in the system as it now stands. But then, I would also rather see murderers and thieves being chased by the police than by self-appointed vigilantes - and that IS, of course what the AHM guys are.

Much love,
Larry
 
i prefer to think they are on a mission from god .in fact why not lure them in and have someone like me there waiting ? perps dont deserve any rights i'll show them the same mercy my perp showed me . morality dont enter into it because we are dealing with imoral animals. sorry but nail them any way you can legal or not. rules dont apply to these bastards. adam
 
May trigger...

The profile I put in about that guy who wants to be a teacher.
I scrolled down the report but decided not to post it.

The guy in question openly talks about how he is doing a university course, and it involves working with children.

He said that the best part is, being close to toddlers as part of his coursework of working in a nursery, and says that getting so close to them is really cool.

He openly talked about how he has made real good friends with two girls and a boy, who fight over his "love".

At nineteen yo, he has thrown his life away because his profile is being sent to authorities here.

Trouble is, do the authorities have enough to label him?
This is what is troubling, and how amateurs can do more harm with vigilante approaches.

Even though he loosely talks of fancying young kids, it can only be seen as intent.
You have to really tread with caution on the word "intent"!

And this is not the same approach as perverted justice, who get evidence of intent to groom minors for sex.

Just a thought,

ste
 
I guess I will agree with Larry that AHM is essentially a vigilante group, and that could end up screwing something up major down the road. To answer your question, however - yes, evidence illegally obtained is still admissible in court, so long as the "obtainer" is not law enforcement, or working on behalf of law enforcement. To repeat my example above, if a thief breaks into somebody's house and finds child porn, and tells the police about it, the homeowner can most definitely be convicted for possessing it. That very thing happened near here a couple of years ago.

Perverted Justice, on the other hand, doesn't do anything illegal, nor would I consider them a vigilante group I think. They've consulted with many police agencies and have very strict protocols when it comes to busting perpetrators.

Reality2k4: merely posted pedophilic thoughts is not illegal. A teacher working with kids talking online about how much he wants to diddle them can't be arrested unless he's actually done something. However, he can most definitely be fired from his job - which removes him from an environment where he might try to make those thoughts reality, so it's still goodness.
 
I dont even know whether he will lose his job, even though the authorities will have to warn this playgroup were he will be continually watched.

Without a conviction, they cannot ban him from working with children, nor from getting the help he needs.
He cannot even be monitored within society.

Lets face it, nambla has been going for years without state intervention, it makes you wonder just who is involved in this sick group.

Perps are not just dirty old men in macs who shadily go about the neighborhood, they look just like me or you, even worse "pillars of society".

The other issue is driving them underground so they can resurface somewhere else.
They are openly left to air their fantasies in places like that.

No fbi on their case! I wonder why the feds just leave them alone???
I think it is because those who run the very society we live in, must also be involved.

Think about that!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top