Comments or Suggestions?

Comments or Suggestions?

Buddy

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I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. For most of my life I have done very little to deal with this issue and kept it secret. I never told my wife for most of our marriage. I am now dealing with the abuse in the open. I have told my wife. my children, and the rest of my family. I have been seeing a psychologist for the past two years, I have talked to my minister, and I am seeing a psychiatrist who placed me on medication for an anxiety disorder. I also attended a Male Survivor week-end retreat. Things have been changing quickly for me and here is my problem, my wife is not keeping up with the change. If anything she is trying to prevent growth. I will admit that in the course of our marriage, we have gotten into arguments and I have been verbally abusive toward her. However, she has been just as verbally abusive back and at other times has been physical. She wants to be in complete control of my life. She is often fearful of new environments and tries to keep me close at hand should a need arise. I often think she came from an abused environement herself. Many of the symptoms I have seen displayed by myself and other abuse victims, I see in her. She denies any possibility of this when I approach her about it. I have heard rumors that her father was an alcoholic, but she does not talk about this either. When my psychologists talks with her he tells me he sees issues involving abandonment. If he knows why they are there, he is not telling me. In addition, she has done other things. Last summer in a rage, she tried to smash a cabinet door in my face. She deals with this as if her reaction was common. Everything I try to do for myself, I have to fight for. She keeps a private savings account for herself, but when I opened an account up in my name she got upset. I decided to join a Bible study group at church. I intentionally picked a class she was not attending. I wanted to attend this class as an individual and not as a couple. As soon as I joined the group, she wanted to switch from her study group to my group. I told her no, that I wanted to be in a group without her. The result is now she won't attend any group. This summer, I wanted to return to my hometown. As a part of therapy, I wanted to revisit places that held fond memories as well as places where I was abused. It was something I wanted to do alone. It was a struggle to do this. This Christmas, I asked for an airline ticket to visit my family in Florida. It has been two years since I have seen them. Also, I have not seen them since I told them about my abuse. Needless to say I didn't get the ticket. She told me, she felt it wasn't fair that I went to Florida and her and the kids couldn't go. When I tried to tell her why I needed to go, she told me it wasn't necessary for me to go by myself. I could pull my family aside and talk to them privately if I needed. Incidently a ticket to Florida from where I live is not an expensive item. Most of the jewelry I buy her cost more than that ticket. Needless to say this has esculated into a big argument. I have come to realize that I was abused as a child and I have allowed that abuse to continue into my marriage. I fell sorry for my wife as I believe she has problems of her own, but it is hard to help someone who refuses to admit to a problem. She prefers to address me as being the problem. She tells me I have become mean since being on medication. I might listen to this if other poeple told me that too, but she is the only one. As a side bar, since I have been in therapy and taking less gruff from her, she was released from her job after being with her employer for twelve years last June and is having difficulty with her current employer. I believe she may be taking out some of her frustrations at work now. That is where my biggest problem comes. We have three children ages 15, 13, and 9. I am afraid to leave her for fear of what might happen to the children. I do not feel she would intentionally hurt them, but I think she would place expectations on them to fulfill her own needs at their expense. Also, there is a financial aspect involved. Together we make sufficent money to provide many extras for our children. Living separately, these extras would not be possible. I think the children blame me for the problems at home. They believe much of what their mother tells them about me and are too young to understand the whole story. I think they would hate me if my leaving home would change their lifestyle. I realize this is a long message and I appreciate anyone who takes the time to read it. I am open to any suggestions.
 
Buddy,
HI...Im sorry you need this web site. You know your life does sound so much like mine. I met my wife in 1986, I was 18 at the time. I had been away from my step father for just a few months. Her and I got together right away and have been together till October of this year. I'll try to explain with out jumping around to much, if I do please feel free to ask about something. I was abused by two male counsins when I was 6 and then by my step father from 12 to 17. I never told anyone about it till about 2 years ago ( or maybe a little more). I told my wife, at first she was very understanding. But that changed over time. Through our entire marrage she was contolling, I couldnt have any friends if I did have one she nagged till I broke it off. I was never alowd to make choices in the family. She did everything she could to stop me from moving forward after I started dealing with my issues. When I went to see my "t" she would drill me about what we talked about and if I told her I didnt want to talk about it right now I was being shelfish and not worrying about her. No matter what I did it wasnt right or good enough. She told me all the time that I was worthless as a husbond a father a man. There were times she would use my abuse as a weapon in fights. Telling me things like I was no better than my step father or I wasnt happy unless I was having sex with a family member. While all this was going on I still moved forward, it was a very hard thing to do with her trying to stop me or maybe not stop me but make me do it the way she thought I should and not letting me move in my recovery the way I needed too. In October of this year she went to jail for putting a knife to my neck. And she has been out of the house sence then. I have two of our children with me and life has been so much better for all of us. Im not telling you to leave your wife by any means Im just telling you about my life. She still thinks that what she did was NO BIG DEAL and that I should let her come back home because of all the crap she has put up out of me the least I can do it put up with her putting my life in danger. I so understand the co-dependent wife. I dont envy you. It's very hard to recover from past issues when your wife is giving you new ones. When my wife was at home every day felt like there was a crisis going on. But sence she has been out of the house that feeling has gone away. If you need to talk please pm me and we can talk about what ever you want. Good luck Buddy. Im sorry your feeling traped right now. Just know your not alone in your fight. We understand the pain abuse causes and LOTS of us understand the pain of having an unsupportive wife. Please keep talking....please keep moving forward....I did...while I ended up on a different road than my wife and because of that we are no longer a couple I'll tell you it's well worth it. You should have heard me two years ago when I first found this site. ((((((((hugs))))))))) PM me if you need.
James
 
Buddy
I have no advice to give, just support. I really don't envy your position.

I'm one of the lucky guys, my wife of 29 years has supported me totally. And I'm the first to admit it's the reason I'm not living on a park bench.

Seriously, I have no idea what I'd have done if she hadn't supported and loved me ?
I also say that survivors need to be selfish , not in a nasty way, we just need to think of ourselves first.
But this is something I say with hindsight and the comfort of my wife's support.

Would I have moved on to where I am now if she'd have stood still, or even disrupted my recovery ?
I don't know....

As survivors we have to make some hard choices, but we also gain our strength from moving forward as survivors. What came first - the chicken or the egg ?

Dave
PS James. I love your new tagline :D
 
Hi Buddy,

Just wanted to add to all the supportive messages and say a special welcome from the retreat team. I'm so glad you've chosen to reach out and add these wonderful men to your overall support system. Read and write often. You'll benefit deeply.

Taz
 
I've never been married so I don't have any great insights. You seem to have a good grasp of what is goinh on.

Have you had time to spend with your children alone. Let them talk and ask you about things that are going on in their lives. They are probably rather nervous at the tension in the house.

I want to support you in your decisions, but I am not sure just how to do that.

Sooner or later, I think your kids will help the familt to come together or to spread apart. They are at ages with their own huge development issues. They can get very demanding at times like this.

Bob
 
Buddy,

Do you and your wife do any kind of couple's counseling? It sounds to me like it would be beneficial. I know that it has helped my wife and me with the issues in our relationship.

You say that your wife no longer attends any class at church. Seems to me that is her problem, not yours. You are able to attend a class without her, just as you wanted.

Is there a reason the family could not go to Florida together and you could visit the sites you need to see in side trips by yourself? There are a lot of nice places in Florida for families to visit together, even excluding the Republic of Disney.

Read some of the posts in the Family and Friends section to get some ideas about what your wife might be going through as a result of the changes in you. Change isn't easy on anyone, and changes in you are changing the relationship at the center of her life.
For most of my life I have done very little to deal with this issue and kept it secret. I never told my wife for most of our marriage. I am now dealing with the abuse in the open. I have told my wife. my children, and the rest of my family.
Been there. My wife told me flat out that she felt I deceived her by "keeping secret" the sexual abuse in my past. It was not an easy thing for us to handle. Our sessions with the psychologist have been great help, really tremendous.

There is a lot of change in your life. Congratulations! Those are courageous changes that you are making. Your courage is your acting well in the face of fear, because the fear is real. There is a lot of change in the individual lives of a wife and three individual children. Their fears are real, too.

I've spent a lot of time lost inside my head while I try to come to terms with the things people did when I was a child. I can't get that time back, but I am able to spend my time with my family a little better now, at least sometimes. It's not all because I'm becoming a better person, or a survivor instead of a victim. It's not all about me. It's also because we are applying things from our counseling together.

There are similarities between your situation and my own, though my kids are younger. These are the things that seem to be helping me right now. Take it for what it's worth to you.

Thanks,

Joe
 
Buddy,

Welcome to this site. I do not know how much I can help you, in your situation you speak of. I am 23 years old, do not have a spouse, never even had a 'real' relationship (well, until now). I also am very new to this process, as 6 months ago, I was not even addressing my issues at all yet.

However, I have heard that there is fear involved with healing, and not just us. There is fear involved for the person who is our main supporter, because really, they are losing the person they are familiar with (in truth, they are hopefully getting something better in replacement). But I am sure there is doubt that comes in, like 'If he gets stronger, will he still need me?' and such things as that. Also, they are having to deal with all our moods and 'stages' we go through, and maybe we will not come out the same on the other side of it all. It is not just change and uncertainty for us of the outcome. It is for them also.

I think she needs to have someone who can help her during this transition also. Therapy could help you each, as individuals, and also as a couple together. I hope that something and someone can help you get through the obstacles of this, and help you both become happier.

I wish you well,
Leosha
 
Buddy

No insights, sorry, just some support from up North. Buddy, just from the fact that you're getting involved with this site, I know that you have the courage and inner strength to get through this.

I truly hope that you are able to work out the relationship issues in a way which will propel you to new heights and great happiness.

I'll be thinking of you today, man.

Best,

Kurt
 
Buddy,

I dont know your story very well, just a little here and there. Healing is a selfish thing sometimes. I think it is natural that that comes across as being mean at points as you make demands on the marriage that werent there before. I would like to play devils advocate for a moment.

If your history follows true to most I know, there is some history where you damaged the marriage in some way. Perhaps you lied and kept secretes from your wife. I know most survivors do this as they try to keep hiding their past. This is the thing, trust once violated is very hard to regain. If you have violated her trust at some point, can you really blame her for being clingy and checking up on you all the time? Can you understand why letting you go off to your family without her threatens her?

We have to be selfish during recovery, I think, but never forget the pain we have inflicted on others as we acted out, lashed out and withdrew. As I said, I dont know that you have violated her trust in the past, but if you have, her reactions are totally understandable. Just standing up and saying Im healing doesnt undo the past. Once trust is violated, it may never be completely rebuilt. She may always have a need to be clingy and check up on you. That may be the only way she can live with you, by constantly making herself feel secure. Just some thoughts. Not familiar with your story, so forgive me if I am out of line.

phos
 
Buddy,

No real insight here but I want to tell you that dealing with sexual abuse is difficult on all marriages that I have heard of. I thought my wife and I had an ideal marriage, but since dealing with my abuse all sorts of marital issues have begun arising. We even lived separately this past summer. My wife took a job in NY and I stayed in FL. We are back together now and things are good but no longer ideal. We love each other, but it is hard to be together.

Good luck and i admire you for keeping your kids needs in mind. Many of us would not have the problems we have if our parent had done that.

Ken
 
Buddy Keep up your own healing that must be # 1 because than you will be strong and can help the family.
We have three children ages 15, 13, and 9. I am afraid to leave her for fear of what might happen to the children.
It is important that your kids know what you are going through. They may be getting miss information from your wife that could make you look bad. Talk with them and let them know that you need their special understanding and help.

Make sure your kids are not in the middle feeling unloved.

Tom Muldoon
 
Hi Buddy,

I feel for you. I went through similar things with my ex-wife when I started treatment for abuse, and it strained the heck out of my marriage. She was abusive too. It tore me up, all that marital strain on top of the flashbacks and crap--YUCK!!. Unfortunately, we ended up divorced.

I don't think it has to be that way, though. In fact, I know at least a few couples have worked through the rough times, even though it looked very bad.

Such a rapid path change as yours can't be followed footprint-in-footprint by your wife, right? Some adjustment time and effort are probably to be expected.

If I had it to do over again, I'd TRY to be more a little creative. I could barely function when it hit, but looking back, I'd try.

Like even when we separated, I'd not get involved with another woman right away and poison the water. Instead, maybe see the wife every weekend to keep the relationship alive, while she had a chance to absorb the change--something like that. It might not have worked, but it would have had more of a chance than the way I did it. In other words, throw out 'what ought to be', and find something that is workable.

But your capacity is surely limited. So I think a lot of what happens is ultimately in your wife's hands now. You can't hold the world up for both of you, especially while yours is crashing in.

All of that may not be much comfort, but it's from the heart. Your marriage is not over yet, and I wish you and your family the best. I also support you in your recovery.


Regards,

Tribear
 
Thanks for all your responses. My wife and I have an appointment with a new therapist later this month (it is the earliest date available). Hopefully this will help. Prior to this, she has seen my therapist on a individual basis as well as the two of us meeting with him together. Actually, he started out as a marriage counselor for both of us before becoming my therapist. Currently, I thinks my wife feels he sides too much with me. Hopefully a new therapist can alleviate this problem. I am also going to work with my therapist to see how to include my children into therapy with me. I do think I need to hear their side of things more. I also need to be patient. I still believe my wife experienced some type of abuse as a child. Whatever happened, she is not ready to deal with it yet. I need to remember how long it took me to accept my problems and deal with them. Thanks again for your advise.
 
Hey i know its been a long time since the last post on this thread, but I hope you are doing ok and things worked out with your marraige.
 
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