Columbia Suicide Severity Rating Scale

Columbia Suicide Severity Rating Scale

KMCINVA

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Has anyone heard of the C-SSRS (Columbia Suicide Severity Rating Scale). I did not realize this was part of the Study assessment. I heard the psychiatrists are concerned of placebo risk for me due to being PTSD affirmed and the rating I have received on this assessment. I found some information on line about the scale but scoring information appears to be reserved for those trained in the field. I did find the nature of 6 questions asked as part of the assessment. I do remember answering questions similar to these in my assessments.

The first question is a desire to be dead. I told of the prayer as a child that I would say not to wake in the morning and how somedays in the present I have these feelings. The second question focuses on suicidal thoughts without a plan or method and I answered honestly, yes at times. If you answer no, the online information says they skip questions 3 to 5. I guess the third question is where the concern truly begins, any thoughts with method (but not a plan) without intent and I answered yes and discussed ways that had crossed my mind from jumping from a building to rope. The fourth question suicidal ideation with method and some intent. I remember the question and I also remember asking how did that differ from the previous question. I remember him saying did I ever begin or proceed to a place where I thought of committing suicide and then stopped short or was interrupted and did not resume. I said yes, and then was asked if I had not been interrupted would I have done. I answered not sure but I did not resume. The 5th question asked of active ideation with method, plan and intent. I did tell them of this past Thanksgiving and what I attempted. They asked about current intensity and I remember giving a glib answer I do not think you will see it in the paper tomorrow. They asked how would I rate the possibility within a week, a month and a year. I said I could not answer because the intensity fluctuates from day to day, hour to hour. I did give an answer eventually, I think on a scale of 1 to 10.

I should have realized as the discussions on this topic became more involved this was an area of concern. The fear if I am on the placebo and this assessment is accurate as to the ideation of suicide without proper treatment could result in an attempt. They have referred me to speak with a specialist in a one on one setting.

I must say the assessment scares me because I have known I have these thoughts but like to think I have them under control. Then I think of this past Thanksgiving. They tried to reassure me that this ideation is more common among trauma survivors than the general population. They also have concerns that the trauma was relived over and over and those around me inflicted damage to intensify the damage done from the trauma. Advised to avoid them and known triggers. at all costs until they seek help and realize their behavior has caused escalated rise in the damage done from the initial trauma. I was not expecting this type of diagnosis. I dare not tell those who inflicted the damage because they will say these doctors are quacks like all the others and the post op nurse, the undergraduate psychology major and the patient advocate know more than the doctors. What a mess they are and what damage they have done to me. They can laugh and continue to lie of the abuse and what they did.

I have been thinking about this since yesterday and it weighs heavily on my mind. Thankfully it was after the unexpected trigger on Tuesday or who knows where I would be today. It is weighing on me because somewhere within I believe the assessment may be on point.

If anyone has any insights into this scale I would appreciate your input.
 
Since those past holidays you mention Kevin, I've had to come to terms that I'm now in full depression. I've denied it for a while, thinking I was still in the cycle in and out I have been for many years. But, now, I can't shake it. The past holidays were the beginning and I've cried and cringed through life for over 8 months now.

Bare knuckling life is overwhelming, and I'll check with my therapist July 3rd to find out what I can do. The problem for me is income, destructive obesity since my knee surgery, and ongoing problems and triggers.

I want to shut down, and give up too often now. I can barely get motivated. Ok, so July 3rd, I just have to hold on until I can talk to her; but she can't get me a free psychiatrist appointment/assessment for medication.
 
Hey Ceremony - Winston here. Might I ask if your state provides some sort of assistance with meds? I'm in Seattle, Washington. In some cases of need, the state or county can help. Just asking.......
 
HI KMCINVA (and Ceremony)

I do not knw of the specific scale. But I do know my experience.
FOR WHAT IT is worth, I attempted suicide first when I WAS 7. bUT THE CAR STOPPED. And again at 11, but the bus stopped. I have been diagnosed of suffering from chronic major depression since 1989. Sometime in the 90's I was determined to be suffering from anxiety and PTSD. In 2005 I was upgraded to CPTSD (or Diagnosis of extreeme stress not otherwise specified.)

I certainly understand my own states of wanting to actively participate in my suicide and the passive suicide (not wanting to wake in the morning -with or without prayer.) Yes what you each describe is depression. And depression that lasts more than 6 months is usually considered, chronic and major.)

Being actively planning your suicide, is more serious than just not wanting to wake in the morning. But, almost certainly if you experience depression over time, you will vascelate between them.

MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT I have not had to develop a new suicide plan since 1989. I have not taken action on this plan since 1991. This is also when I got sober.

I am more concerned with the intensity of your desire to actively commit suicide. It ia a measure of your depression. Some people also participate in self mutilation (cutting and burning my self.) I find tat this is more difficult to control than my suicidal ideation. Since it has been more than 5 years since i cut or burned, my mental health has improved.

There are clubs or facilities in most large cities that are run by survivors (or consumers) of mental heath services. If there are any free mental health clinics, they will know. Minnesota had a reputation for its club house in the 1990's. I haven't kept up in the last 20 years.

There is help in the form f consumer groups even if you can't find another option. National Association Mental Health has a state affiliate in every state. These are the friends and relatives of consumers of mental health. Each has a published phone number. Most are available on the inter net.

I have found these self help groups very helpful. Both with people authorized to prescibe but also with medication that is not prescribed such as St. John's Wart.

We are often pretty good at self help ourselves when we work at it.

May you go with GOD
 
Yeah, I took a test online, and it's stating "Severe", so I'm taking it seriously. I'll be very careful to talk to my T about how this has developed and my hope. I am fortunate that I know exactly what medication worked for me for many years. I had to get help when I got sober, I lost all my ability to escape and I went to dissociation activities.

I've made quite a few comments about my visiting cemeteries. I can recall one year some of the workers got to nodding at me. I was there every day, walking for hours.

Thank you WG and genedebs for sharing this and I hope Kevin's meds are working? Did I miss whether you're on meds Kevin? I think you are? Oh, I meant to add, WG, I don't know how to get anything free, my wife makes too much, and only last year I made enough. This year is a catastrophe, but since I'm still married and she's paying for our health insurance, I have that if I can swing the CoPay and Medication prices. It's going to be very tight. I don't think I'll see a paycheck until the end of July, maybe first week of August, and I'll be lucky if it's a C-note size.

Peace to you genedebs.
 
I spoke with my doctor friend and he warned do not use these questions to self diagnose but rather as a guide and seek professional advice. He said the C-SSRS is widely used and evaluation is important and no one by reading the question and self answering should interpret their severity. It should encourage the respondent to seek professional help. He stressed this several times.

He explained and I know we had talked about these issues over and over but he did not speak of the diagnosed tool. He used the questions and discussions to access my level of ideation. I realized a third party at the study expressing these concerns caused angst and anxiety. My friend was able to explain the reason all clinical trials have a psychological and physical evaluation. Certain trials with medication can result in psychological and physical reactions. For those on placebo and suffering from either a mental or physical ailment may see their symptoms worsen and at such time the leaders of the testing will have to decide if the candidate should move forward. He said in double blind the leaders of the trial do not know if the candidate is on the placebo or medication and must base their decision on what they observe. For mental disorders such as PTSD there is a concern if the candidate expresses symptoms of self harm or total distress, it is believed if the candidate is on the placebo the symptoms could worsen. He said with my PTSD which is complex due to the trauma and years of being triggered to relive the abuse in my home there would be a concern and an in depth evaluation is warranted. We talked once again about Thanksgiving and my thoughts on suicide.

He is well aware of my history and emotions. It gave me some relief--and I realize my reaction was because it was unexpectedly received from a third party who only knew my thoughts and history recently. My friend said that is why I have been watched closely by people around me. As for medications I have reactions to the medications and none have yet to be effective.

I will keep trying and avoiding all triggers. I am scared at times, sometime fearful and retreat into dark spaces.

Kevin
 
I have not heard of this measure. I did search it and found some information. I am glad you were participating in the study. They may have helped save you life by seeing some trouble areas that could lead to suicide. I do hope you follow through with the doctors and get the help you need. You know by Dad trying to suicide several times and his life was somewhat like yours and my brother also tried. Dad suffered so much by so many. If my Dad is an example his suicide attempts were from the CSA and the abuse we did to him. How sad we were and I hope you family comes clean and says they are sorry of what they did or they will be like us, one child nearly killing themselves another a reformed alcoholic and me a nervous breakdown and a Mama who encouraged it as did her mother to make the father a butt of jokes or disrespect.

Professionals are needed to help you. They helped my Dad and my brother. Strange he was the biggest antagonist and in the end his pain was so great from the years of lying about what was done to Dad.

Paul
 
Paul

Thank you and I know you understand from a different perspective. It still frightens me and I am more sensitive to when the feelings of death come to mind and begin to control me. I had a terrible night last night. I kept seeing me hanging from the tower. What really frightened me was the smile on my face. I looked peaceful and at ease. I could not close my eyes and I sat up and wrote--it is all gibberish.

You are right professional help is needed. I know my children and the ex need help but they believe what they did is normal and kind behavior--others see it quite differently.

Thank you and everyone. I want everyone to know I appreciate all the support because one never knows if a time will come and the words cannot be said.

Kevin
 
Just want to say the people running the study have shown great concern on this issue. I just received a message from them urging me to seek follow up treatment because of the nature of the results and psychiatric review and sessions. It made me realize how low I have been and the disregard I have for my own well being--thinking no one can help, too much damage to correct. Too many people destroyed me keeps running through my head. I have talked about them and what was done over and over but I cannot let their control over me go. My psychiatrist friend said I should undertake--a third party is always helpful because the way one doctor expresses himself can have a greater impact than another doctor who is saying the exact same thing but it does not hit the patient in the same way. I can tell my stomach is in knots, I am not sleeping, I am walking around with a pretend of being ok but I am not.

Why is it so difficult to heal? It seems as though it should be simple from reading the books and talking to the doctors. I am emotionally wrenched. My friends who I relied on so much are all on their new adventures and I am stuck in a world of so long ago and not so long ago.

I know I am in bad shape. I have begun to write letters to each of the children, I have sorted out and continue to sort out stuff I have of what they did as children and pictures. I want them to have them for I see no need for me to hold. The letters are future directed but includes their need to seek help for they cannot continue to run from the issues and hide behind people who have done much of what they have done. If I leave them with some future direction I can go in peace.

I know there are so many kind people in the world and I wonder why I had to encounter the dark side of many who destroyed my desires, dreams and will to live.

Kevin
 
I finally found the courage to take the screening test for discussion with the psychiatrists. The results seem to confirm the C-SSRS results. I need to get the help because after this weekend I lived in a fog. Nothing seemed real or appealing. Next is to arrange the appointments.

I have cleared the storage unit and chucked so much--I am down to a few boxes of my life but many of the boxes are of my parents and things of the children I saved. I have begun to box the children's things for them to have and maybe they will remember some happiness. I am putting my letters to them in the boxes. Time to let go.

Kevin
 
Kevin,

I am so impressed at your ability to let things go! I am still struggling with that myself. I have boxes and totes of old papers and books and things that I just cannot bring myself to get rid of yet. It has gotten better but I have a long ways to go. This has always been a frustrating problem for me.

Nice to hear that you are moving forward though, it is encouraging and your progress is inspiring.

Regards,

Chris
 
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