Cant you just leave it behind

Cant you just leave it behind

Muldoon

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"Cant you just leave it behind and move on? "She asked

My wife just doesnt understand how deep the pain is. She wants me to just move on and leave it behind. I just dont know if that is possible. How would one just turn all this off. No way will I forget it. If I give up on my HEALING now, sooner or later I would let the NEGITIVE BULLSHIT back into my life. As long as I am moving forward with healing it make me stronger. Even if I was totally healed could I move on then? Dont think so.

JUST DONT know where my life heading? Seem that I want to be involved in helping other victims with their healing, even if just part time. I am too old to change jobs or go back to school. I will find other ways to help change the way the world deals with CSA. Now that I am open about my CSA can I ever be silent again? It will take lots of work to protect todays children from the evils of CSA. I dont know now I am going to move forward with this mission. However forward is the only way I can go.

How to tell my wife that this is going to be part of my life????? Muldoon
 
Oh, you've hit on a topic that I am extremely passionate about. I had (not anymore) a good friend who was a survivor and continually gave me the same line of bullshit! Soory, said I was passionate about this.

And in my life I am moving on. There is no question about it. But I will continue to work through issues as they arrise because I do not want to be held captive by them for the rest of my life. I don't think we can always see today what will become evident in our lives tomorrow. Therefore there is no way to just act like one is over things and has moved on. But it isn't about pitty either or stuck in the wallowing mud or stuck in ruts (not that any of this doesn't have a place). I think these things do have their time and place in the life of a survivor. But what I am talking about is not being afraid to confront these things as we advance in life and trying to be all we can be. That is what I am doing and what I will continue to do.

Most likely I will always act as a light for the dark path that survivors have to tread because I know what it is like to go down this path. I know how much it sucks and how hard it is. So I don't want to turn my back on the universe and not give back to it, what many have given to me in my healing.

But it is exciting to me as well as I learn new things about myself and put more and more distance between myself and the abuse. Its an awesome feeling to see the distance between the two things. And the more I learn about myself, the more the entire world opens up to me with opportunities and times of fun and enjoyment.

Actually when some people tell me to just move on or act as if they are "100% completely healed", I sort of wonder if they just need a new pair of glasses so they can see new things.

And each one here on this board is moving on and dealing with things. That is what it takes to get beyond the horrors. And each day we survive, live, grow, exist and bloom is a day that we are moving forward and we are getting over it.

ok, stepping down off soapbox (oppps, someone is trying to take it out from under me,,, heheheheeee,,, not yet,,, LOL)

Don
 
Tom,

My wife doesn't understand either. For that I am grateful, because I think she'd have to go through it to understand.

I don't think there's any such thing as completely healed. Everyone has pain in their life, and everyone has to make the best of what they have. Ours is a particular kind of pain that runs deep, and even when the wound is healed to a scar instead of a pus-filled, stinking scab, it will hurt, just in a different way. Like physical scars of nasty wounds still hurt when I bump them the wrong way. The ones that don't hurt are numb from severed nerves, and I don't want this scar (when it's healed) to be one like that.

How would someone leave behind the memory of a deceased loved one, never noticing the strangely empty space at a holiday dinner, never recognizing the birthday that doesn't have cake and candles anymore? We lost ourselves, our lives. That's not something to leave behind. To say I could "leave it behind" is to deny my denial.

My wife doesn't want to read what we write here. It's too horrible. I can't disagree that sexual abuse is horrible. But it's real. She doesn't see how much good we do here because she doesn't want to see where we start from.

I wish I had a way to make this clear to her. I'm still very glad that she doesn't have the background to understand.

Can you show your wife that you want to help people, even just part time, to see the good that comes back to them? Healing is a story of hope, not horror.

Thanks,

Joe
 
Muldoon,

Have you given your wife a tour of this web site? When I did, she was shocked at how healing and educational it is. It is such an obviously good place mainly because the people here are so wonderful. She wants me to be here.

Green
 
Muldoon
You're far too modest to list your age in your profile, but I think we're fairly close.
And how long have we dragged the crap along behind us ?
It wont go away, all we can do is keep ahead of it. Remember when it used to catch us up, engulf us ?
It still comes close, but we just speed us a bit.

There's a study just published about the link between politicians, and being bullied at school. It's mentioned in this weeks Sunday Times. https://www.malesurvivor.org/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=newtopic;f=17
But the point made was that people who suffered bullying and humiliation while young ( SA wasn't specificaly mentioned ) developed a tendancy towards helping others, through politics and charity work.

I think that those of us who did have 'problem' childhoods develop a genuine calling towards ensuring it doesn't happen to any more kids than humanly possible.
I know that's the way I feel now, but it's a feeling that I've developed in the last few years.
Maybe from bullying, and other - I hate to say this - less intrusive factors, the altruistic feeling develops sooner.
Which might explain why some British politicians who were bullied went into politics at a young age.

It doesn't mean you actually do good, Joseph Stalin was bullied !

My wife does get pissed off sometimes because helping Survivors has become so important to me.
She's not mad about what I do exactly, more mad that I'm still not in full control of my obsessive nature. But I try, and I get better at not neglecting her.
And she's supportive and appreciative because I try.
It's when I forget that I get the "death stare" - and that's scary, I don't want to go there any more ;)

I believe we will carry our history with us for ever, I've not met anyone yet who's dumped it. Nobody's convinced me anyway.
So if I have to drag it along with me, I might as well use it, understand it the best I can, and do some good with that knowledge.

Dave
 
Dave,

Thanks.

Joe
 
Guy I have to take a two day trip to the city. I will have time to talk when I get back

Guys I did show MS website to my wife and she spent time reading here. See came away with the feeling that my abuse was soon minor compared to the other guys here. Muldoon
 
Muldoon you can read this when you get back. I hope things went good in the city.


Cant you just leave it behind. Just get over it. Oh how I hate these words. These are the words of people that dont understand, dont care, or worse, are in complete denial, setting themselves for a complete breakdown.

The brother I live with is one of these people, of which type I do not know. All I know is that I will not be sharing my SA with him. I have heard him say these words to his girlfriend who was physically abused by her mother and step-father. I have heard him use these words when complaining about her problem dealing with this. I have heard him use words when talking about an old girlfriend of his, whose step-father made her perform oral sex on him. Even worse, he has told me that because of her SA, she wouldnt perform oral sex on him unless she was drunk. He said that he found some sick pleasure in having her perform the act. I tried to explain to him the destructive results of such actions, especially from an caregiver/role model, to no avail.

I have a sister, actually seven, that has gone through therapy regarding her actions relating from our fathers abandonment of us. I used to think that if I do let someone in my family know, she would be the one. In a recent conversation relating to my spite for the man that is our father, she told me those words. That killed that thought.

I have the feeling that I need to share the story and feelings of my SA, but those words are preventing me. I feel bad enough about myself for having be the victim, I dont need more guilt and shame for not being able to just get over it.

Oh how I hate those words. All they do is add more guilt and more shame where there shouldnt be any in the first place.

Well Muldoon, you are here and you are working at moving on. Leaving it behind is a different story, as I understand. It will always be here, but we will be able to move on with it. Invite your wife over, let her read about the pain and horror, about the healing, about the triumphs, and about the set backs. To get an understanding of what you are going through. Let her read about the Family and Friends , maybe she'll register and ask her questions and state her concerns.

Hang in there, you have support here.

Bill
 
Bill: See my brother you are helping as I talked about in "Thank You"

Thought you should know that it was Muldoon that got me off my ass and off the sidelines to attempt to make government see the extent of this social plague and to give more support. What is government but society.
 
Don I realy like what you had to say and will use some of it in my life.
lBut it is exciting to me as well as I learn new things about myself and put more and more distance between myself and the abuse. Its an awesome feeling to see the distance between the two things. And the more I learn about myself, the more the entire world opens up to me with opportunities and times of fun and enjoyment.
Hope that this will be part of my life soon

Joe
Healing is a story of hope, not horror.
you are so right

Green you are so lucky
She wants me to be here.
Dave you hit the bullseyes for me
develop a genuine calling towards ensuring it doesn't happen to any more kids than humanly possible.
I believe we will carry our history with us for ever, I've not met anyone yet who's dumped it
so true Dave

Bill
just get over it.
Oh how I hate those words. All they do is add more guilt and more shame where there shouldnt be any in the first place.
Surly we just can,t get over it, It all takes time and lots of energy

Bill
I have the feeling that I need to share the story and feelings of my SA, but those words are preventing me. I feel bad enough about myself for having be the victim, I dont need more guilt and shame for not being able to just get over it.
Bill I have found that some of my old friends where very open to me telling of my story. They have be very understanding. Muldoon
 
I believe we will carry our history with us for ever, I've not met anyone yet who's dumped it
I heard a Russian proverb today that went something like this.

If you ignore the past, you are blind in one eye.
If you forget the past you are blind in both eyes.

Dave
 
This post is all most 3 years old and now again it has come back into my life. Why can't I just walk away. Trying too hard to make something good out of the SA.
Tom
 
Try not to be too angry with people who say this. Whenever something profound occurs in our lives, the prevailing wisdom is that people need to "move on". People move on after car accidents, relatives' deaths, and the like. Parents tend to "move on" eventually, after they find their children have been abused. But none of those things, I daresay, cuts quite as deep as being a victim of abuse. It's difficult for people to think of this, because there are not very many other things in the world that are quite as damaging as CSA. People who aren't survivors don't really have a fair vantage point from which to see the way this stuff hurts.

Survivors themselves, however, should know better. I'm sure some people are constituted in such a way that they can eventually "get over" the abuse, through hard work or whatnot; they need to have some consideration for people who haven't gotten there yet.
 
Tom,

Why can't I just walk away. Trying too hard to make something good out of the SA.
As Dave said a couple of years ago, it's hard to see how any survivor would just "walk away" from or just "get over" the abuse he suffered as a boy. To think like this is to miss the important point that sexual abuse isn't only a physical violation of the victim - some kind of injury that can heal and go away, like a broken arm. Abuse devastates the kid emotionally, fills him with feelings of shame and worthlessness, and generates a host of distorted ways of thinking about himself and the world that he continues to carry with him into adulthood.

So for me, Tom, the answer to "why can't I just walk away" would be this: The physical injuries may heal, but the emotional trauma and harm we carry with us everywhere we go. It just ISN'T something that anyone can walk away from, and those who suggest this as a solution simply don't understand what abuse is all about. In order to be RID of the problems we carry from abuse we have to SOLVE them.

I know that won't sound very useful or encouraging, but if we push on the point a bit I do think it's possible to be more positive about this and ask ourselves what recovery is and whether it's possible in our own case.

It seems to me that recovery is two things: something we are trying to DO, and a goal we are trying to REACH.

As something I am trying to do, recovery for me means an effort to disconnect myself from what was done to me as a boy. That is, I need to try to avoid defining myself in terms of the abuse; I need to learn that everything that happened was someone else's crime, not something I "attracted" to myself or anything for which I share the slightest blame.

I also need to deal directly with the abuse IN THE PRESENT. By that I mean I need to recognize that while it is natural and necessary for me to grieve for what was done to me as a boy, so long as I remain in the past I am entirely disempowered. The past is what it is, and there isn't a damn thing I can do to change any of that.

What I CAN do is work on the feelings and attitudes I have now, because in the present I can empower myself. I can change the way I look at the abuse and how it affects my life. In the present I can face the terrible feelings I have about myself and understand how badly they have misled and misinformed me. Gradually I can learn to trust and esteem myself again and relate to others in healthy and productive ways.

I have thought a lot about what I think recovery is as a goal, and how I will know I am "there".

For me recovery is more of a path than a goal; it's an attitude that I have to work on and maintain. But still, I do think that allows me to think of something I will have achieved. But what?

I think recovery for me will mean peace - that is, an ability to live the rest of my life in fulfilling and joyful ways that are not and cannot be hijacked by memories of what was done to me as a child. I will count myself as recovered when I can see that I no longer define myself in any way in terms of what happened years ago.

I don't think for one second that I will ever forget the things the abuser did to me, any more than a war veteran thinks he will forget the horrors of combat. In fact, I don't want to forget. I want to REMEMBER the hard work I did in order to recover, and I want to take pride in defeating the abuser once and for all.

I also don't think for a second that memories of abuse will lose their negative nature. But along with those I will have memories of my own personal struggle - as a boy and as an adult - to overcome this catastrophe and regain my life. I think that will be pretty cool.

Is there any "key" to all this? I can only answer for myself. For me the crucial breakthrough was realizing I had to get into the present and STAY there. Now it's crystal clear to me how important this is, but for a long time I just didn't "get it".

That doesn't mean I never think about the past. I sure do! And all the time. But I think about it with the clear aim of facing my feelings about the past NOW, and doing whatever I can to correct all the false ideas they gave me about myself and my place in the world. That more or less daily effort is what occupies me in my recovery, and for me that has proven to be the key in every sense of the word. It really has unlocked so many possibilities and potentials that I once thought were closed to me forever.

Much love,
Larry
 
I thought I put my abuse away a long time ago. I stopped drugs, worked steadily yet I never seem to really accomplih much.

A couple of broken relationships and the loss of a friend who I depended on for a lot of support and I had a major relapse. Full on depression and drugs. I kept my job by when I wasn't working I was depressed or high or abusing myself and sometimes all three at the same time.

For me, it's important to learn to live with it and accept it as part of me rather than punishing myself for not being able to "Put it behind me and move on". If it was so easy, we all would have done it already and we wouldn't be here. Who needs the pain?

I intend to use my bad experiences to grow into a stronger person. The road will be tough. Helping each other get past the roadblocks helps ourselves heal.

Sunny
 
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