Can Strength be infinite?

Can Strength be infinite?

Morning Star

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Leading from another thread where dewey said : Strength is a finite commodity as well...that really got me thinking.... and I wondered..

Is my strength really so, finite and limited or is it just inaccessible to me at times, when I 'choose' to feel all alone, for when I choose to reach out to others, even at the human level, so many hands reach out for me instantly, and so many hearts open up with their love and compassion, so I have come to believe that somehow my strength is my choice too.

Do I choose to access my strength at the moment when I need it continus to be my discretion. Because I always have an easy option to recoil back into my shell of self pity, thinking of my self as a victim or just a human being.

Somehow we forget our human strengths, and the qualities that God given to every human being, to be able to connect with divine spirit any moment we wish too.

Because the moment I connect with my spirit my strength becomes infinite as I no longer see my self as a finite or a limited being but as a integral part of larger being, who is as loving as Ocean is to its waves. Like tiny stars that come together to make the sky complete. Like leaves are to a tree, like a child that as essential to his parents as it is he who makes them father and mother.

My greatest recovering recently has been my reconnecting with my divine parents, who are as loving, as generous and unconditional we wishes our real parents to be. Our divine father and mother constitute our real family, who are a constant, life after life.

How about that?!
 
Abhi,

I can certainly see where Dewey is coming from. There are so many times I have felt that I really am at the end of my rope and I don't have the strength to just keep plodding on. But that's when I call on others to share their strength with me.

Much love,
Larry
 
Morning Star,
I believe that strength is finite. Even the stars are finite in their life and brightness, and eventually the seas will dry up and become vast valleys of salt. Perhaps, a very few men, maybe the late Pope, or Mother Theresa or Christ, have infinite spiritual strength ... maybe. Just my opinion. Peace, Andrew
 
Strength is definitely finite. If it wasn't, pleople would not kill themselves. However, I believe that strength can be borrowed from others when needed...isn't that what MS is all about? I have been needing strength from others the past few days, and several guys have responded unconditionally. For that, I am grateful.

Will
 
I think what saps my strength most is the feeling that I am alone and this will never end. That makes me feel that it's just too much, and THAT really tears me down.

I think that's why it helps me to talk to others, like here or with safe people I know well. That shows me I'm not alone, and others often can point out things I have done or achieved that I am just not seeing at the moment.

All that gives me new strength I think.

Much love,
Larry
 
I think what I was trying to say is that emotional strength (the ability to deal with the day-to-day crap and all the other stuff; resilience) is finite. The mind can only take so much before it shuts down in some fashion, and each blow to the psyche wears us down.

The spirit, IMNTBHO, is infinite, but only if the person belives it to be so- i.e. a spiritual man relying on his higher power for strength and guidance.
 
Even with a higher power strength is finite. Only by relying on others can you surpass your limits.
 
Can I get personal here about strength and what it is? I was thinking about this last night and I think I know what I would like to say now.

Can we say that for us strength is the feeling that we can go on, that ultimately we will heal? Is strength the confidence that there is a way forward for us and we can do the work required to keep on the path?

If so, then this confidence is very similar to a spiritual man's faith, except that a spiritual man may feel that this resource is endless and infinate, and at his disposal if only he reaches out for it.

I don't think that means that a more secular man has less strength, but perhaps the difference is that HIS external sources - those around him whom he loves and trusts - are in his immediate view and he can detect when these sources are failing him, or seem to be failing him.

Dwayne, this is where it gets personal and I hope this is okay. Perhaps you are sensing the dwindling of external sources of confidence/strength because of things you are going through right now, especially your divorce.

What to do? I really cannot say bro. Somehow we all need to replenish our sources of strength, and that is a deeply personal matter since all of us are so unique each in our own way.

All I can say is that I don't believe in a world in which there is no strength left for a good man to reach out to and grasp and benefit from in his time of need.

Much love,
Larry
 
Abhi,

Thanks bro. Again you put in ten words what I need 200 to say! You find yours in an instant while I fret over mine all night.

I think you're a great example of the strength that a spiritual man can find for the work he needs to do.

Much love,
Larry
 
I can't speak for certain to how much strength is out there. For me coming from paralysis where I had to teach myself how to function in life again, it has takena lot of strength. The one thing I'm learning though is that fear, trauma, stress - they all take away our strength and energy. So the more we heal, the more power we take back - the more strength we have. I've felt many times like I can't possibly keep going and somewhere, someplace deep down, I've found just enough strength to take another step. Sometimes that step is on a banana peel, but for me, it has always been there. And believe me, it has been a pretty rough path up to this point.

Don
 
Larry,

My words come to me when I seek the infinite in me, that moment I seek no words, but they come to me as gifts from the infinite.

I transcend my limitations in that moment and become aware of the infinite possibilities of my own life, I no longer see finite as a limitation, but as a doorway to the infinite, a possibility for the new and the transcedental.

My limitations are also teachers, they teach me to go beyond them seek freedom in spirit not mind. That is when I realise I have always been free, for I am the spirit that I seek

These words are the flow of divine thru me, I didn't find them for lifetimes, yet found them the moment I opened my heart to Thee.

That's when I also realise that just as those words, what flows thru me as pain is also the same infinite. I allow to dissolve myself back into the infinite and with it dissolves all the pain. And what remain is bliss, for that is what the Infinite always feel knowing that the world is perfect the way it should, at this moment. No more striving, no more trying no struggles, just floating with the stream. And that stream many have described as Love.
 
Originally posted by roadrunner:
Dwayne, this is where it gets personal and I hope this is okay. Perhaps you are sensing the dwindling of external sources of confidence/strength because of things you are going through right now, especially your divorce.
Yeah... that's part of it. The other part is I have no emotional endurance. I'm living in a hostile environment. I have no way to recharge emotionally.
 
Dewey,

Aha, that's something you can work with now. How CAN you get out, at least for brief periods, to recharge in a more friendly and supportive environment?

Much love,
Larry
 
Larry and Dewey,
For me recharge means simply plugging in to my Spirit. Just as unplugging causes discharge, so plugging in leads to recharge of my emotional, physical and of course my spiritual being.

My challenge remains keeping that connection at all times, with love and feel loved at all times.

Isnt that a good way to be?

Love,
MS
 
MS,

Yes, it's a great way to be I think, but I think Dewey would wonder how he gets to this enlightened place from the dark place where he is right now. He's overwhelmed, and that feeling really sucks.

Here's a practical question for guys like Dewey and Will and others who are in that place right now: How do you find strength when you feel there is no strength left to find?

My answer: Make time for yourself and do a few things you like. Connect with people with similar interests as yours. Let yourself see that our abuse and our problems don't define us.

Other ideas? Rebuttals?

Much love,
Larry
 
I don't think I'm ruining the old saying if I change it to "Where there's Life, there's Strength".

I've always felt like a weed growing in a crack in the sidewalk. Mow it, chop it, pull most of it out, but it keeps coming back.

I actually had the nickname "weed" twice in my life. The first time it wasn't so nice. Weed was the back half of a putdown which shall remain unsaid, but the people using it couldn't say the full word in front of Grups. The second time was my Soph year at college. For a while I had the habit of saying that word every single time I saw, heard about, read about, smelled, or thought about a certain smokable substance.

Now, I like the idea of weed. Unstoppable, always coming back, having just as much right to grow as any other. A little weed, Strong like Bull.

But this isn't about that kind of strength. If it was I would talk about how when I was finally grown up, a Grup myself, I decided that I should be at least strong enough to climb my way out of a ravine or crevasse if the need should arise. This meant I had to be able to lift my own body weight. It took me a good long time to get there, but when I was done, I had PECS! I still follow that rule today, and it has helped me to keep my weight the same for the past 20 years.

Ok, maybe that's just because I'm at heart, a lazy, lazy boy, and don't want to have to lift any more weight than I do now. You talk about procrastination? I used to joke that the upside was I always had something to do. Ha Ha, but let me tell you, I have multiple lists of the stuff I haven't gotten to. Sometimes, I put off making or updating the lists.

I think this all displays some weakness in my character. I mean no insult to my character, rather I mean some deficiency in the cerbellum, or DNA, that's it, it's genetic. My dad had this habit, you see, and I have it too. Any time we do a job around the house, it never gets 100% finished. There's always a screw not put back (him, not me - I'm obsessive about not losing them), a last piece of molding not installed or painted, or maybe one nail missing. That could be a good title for my AutoBio, "One Nail Missing".

But Mom, Yikes! When stuff has to get done, it's done. Now. "Did you call the bank yet, Donald?" No, you just asked me 10 minutes ago. "How long does it take to dial the phone, Donald?" So from Mom, I developed the pre-emptive strike. I would check the garbage pail every ten minutes when she was preparing dinner, and empty it when it got full, before I was asked.

OK, so the genetics are mixed. All I know is years later, I got so lazy, I had stacks of newspapers in this living room, and the oldest ones were TWO YEARS OLD.

I felt pretty weak about this - back to my character again - character defect? Then I decided it was a reaction to the discipline I had in years past. Makes sense to do a perfect 180 degree turnaround. Or maybe it's a cry for help. Nah, not that, cause nobody comes over here and see the mess. Whatever.

I ragged on myself for a while, assuring me that I was useless and worthless and really disgusting, but I really hurt my feelings and made it worse for a while. I finally apologized to myself, then I forgave myself, and then I set out to change.

Before I can accomplish something, I need to plan it out in as much detail as I can. I need an outline. I need the program, Jack. So I write it out. Then I condense it. Then I condense it more, until I get to the essence.

"Take out the trash. All of it; the physical and the mental." This became the second of the seven steps on my outline for living. It's right up there near the top because it's so important.

In order to have the strength to deal with might happen today, I've got to have every thing else taken care of that I can, so I have no distractions, no urgent OLD BIDNESS to add to my stress. I feel stronger and less frazzled mentally when the physical details of my life are in order as much as possible.

And this storm right now, the Blizzard of '06, well there's been some pretty high winds. They got me to thinking about strength another way.

The mighty Oak is snapped by the wind, but the Willows dance and dance.

For me this has something to do with vulnerability and the seeming paradox that you have to be a damn strong person to let yourself be vulnerable (weak?) enough to do all sorts of things that ARE Recovery & Healing.

Saying it out loud for the first time. Saying it in a group. Meeting other Survivors. Telling the people WE are important to.

All these things require vulnerability. Great vulnerability. Getting to the first retreat I went to required almost infinite vulnerability. Every ten minutes, until I passed the halfway point, I would tell myself, "Just drive ten more minutes. You can always turn around."

I had decided the night before that I wasn't going. There was no way I wanted a bunch of men to look at me and know what had happened to me. It wasn't possible. I didn't have the strength for something like that.

Somehow I pushed through the weakness and fear so in a way, the fear of being vulnerable, of thinking that vulnerable made me weak and in danger, was the source of the strength. By that time in my journey, I knew I was not weak. I knew I was not damaged, or guilty, or a freak.

I felt that staying home would be really, really weak, so I took my baby steps and I got there.

That infinite weakness made me strong. Which brings me back to the Oak and the Willow.

They built warships out of Oak, once upon a time, and they made baskets and light furniture from Willow.

But leave them in the ground and see who comes out ahead in hurricane force winds. I guess I'm veering off into some Zen thinking.

Resisting reality is the source of all misery. Something like that.

When I found my inner children, the first thing I noticed was what a mess their environment was, internal and external. I mean Board of Health type of mess. I tried to persuade, cajole, convince them that they really, really needed to clean up the mess, and I felt very very strongly about this.

Well I convinced the 12 year old, he's pretty intelligent and logical, and the 9 year old was all like, "OK, OK", on the outside, but didn't do a thing. The 3 year old was impossible, but easier to keep an eye on and divert his attention when it drifted and went the wrong way.

But then the 13 year old balks because the nine year old isn't doing anything, let alone his share and it's not fair, and chaos is back.

Around this time I started to think of military school for the 13 year old, and I briefly regretted that I was not in the military, where at the least, I would have learned the self-discipline and habits that would get this room cleaned up 1,2,3.

Well, long story short, the 13 year old ended up at Donald's Academy, the nine year old snapped to it when I said "you'll be old enough for the Academy in two years", and as for the three year old, well I built him a huge, safe play-yard, stocked with rides and games and toys, and lots of paper and paints.

They've grown up just fine. And that took a lot of strength from all of us.

Resisting reality may not be the source of all misery, but it takes up a lot of energy and strength. Resisting covers a lot of ground. It can be denial, or rejection, or trying to make something true that isn't true - you know, faking it.

My biggest resistance was thinking I couldn't change or fix something unless I knew EXACTLY how it got broken. Not just a reason, but a GOOD REASON, a specific detailed reason with footnotes and citations.

So my point being, I don't do this anymore. For me it was a big part of Victim mode, which was really a huge step up from Denial mode, but just like denial, I outgrew Victim and became a Survivor.

But when I became a Survivor, I held on to the things which felt good and empowered me when I was a Victim. And that's OK, but by and by, they disappear, filed in the bookshelf of your heart and soul, written in tears and pain.

Can strength be infinite? Yes, I'm sure of it.
 
DON, Thank you for the inspiration.

To honour your journey, I have also decided to make my own OUTLINE FOR GOOD LIVING, and Staying Healthy both mentally, physically and in spirit, stays on top of my list..

I have already saved your writings under the title: ONE NAIL MISSING, so keep them coming...

I truly believe in vulnerability being my greatest strength, because in my most vulnerable, 'weak' moment I reach out to tap into my inner strength - my spirit. And takes up me in a moment.


Thanks
 
I tell myself often that I must find the strength that I do not have. I tried several times when I was a teenager to kill myself. I spent last February 05 in bed and depressed only showering once a week ... I believed all my strength was gone. Somehow I found the strength that I did not have.

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