Becoming a survivor

Becoming a survivor

MEC

Registrant
Hi all, great to be here.

This is a lie:
I'm a victim

Part of an email I was writing follows and I want to share. I was born one week ago, Saturday, when I was watching a video called The Unsaid. By the time it was done my eyes were finally open.

Quote:
"guess you are way ahead of me in the recovery process because you do not feel the guilt shame and responsibility i feel..."

The part I feel strong on at this juncture is the guilt, shame and responsibility. I'm 53 and the way I see it is I've been full of that shit as a victim for the last 50 years or so. I've been a victim accepting that which I had no control over. That's crazy! Im not going to waste anymore time on it!! Now that I can find some explanation for EVERYTHING screwed-up about me, it all makes sense. Hindsight makes it all so obvious. I so much now know the difference between being a victim and being a survivor.

Like your uncle, or whoever assaulted you before that, HE/THEY is/are responsible and should be full of remorse, guilt and shame. NOT YOU! Turn that over to him or them and free yourself. Believe your gut at this point whether its right or wrong. I have to think once you believe that, you will relax some, refocus, and more affirmative answers will come your way. Did you ever notice how you were doing something and all of a sudden some answer to a question just popped up, coming from out of the blue, from out of a repressed memory maybe?

You're the first and only person I mentioned to about thinking it was my father with ~assistance from my mom. After I signed off, I kind of felt bad about mentioning it. I'm the youngest of 3 boys and I don't recall my brothers being abused sexually, physically or otherwise the way I was. They both turned out well as men.

I still love my parents even thinking about what I now believe they did to me. I remember sleeping in between them often when I was around pre-school age. It all just fits too neatly; the 'sex' - which I think was he showed me on me how to masturbate and then had me do him, me always wanting to do sex related things with my friends (me 5+), tending to be rough with others like a bully and being brutally beaten by my dad w/o blood being drawn all before I was 10.

I always took responsibility for being a bastard of a kid and deserving of the beatings. Seems the more I got beat the more I would find ways to piss him off. I've lived 50 years without emotions and empathy for others comes delayed after having to think it out. It took me about two weeks after the murders at Columbine High School to cry. I hate being touched anywhere, not yet that I've freaked, I just lock up tight.

One time, however, I remember a girl being sent to me to have sex, part of an outlaw motorcycle club thing, and she was insistent. I pushed her off me solidly. I was sweating and going into panic mode - rage I think now - before I was able to get out of there. At the time, I wrote it off to fear of being detected of being gay and impotent, but now I know it was more than that, MUCH more.

No, you're wrong, I hope I'm correct about everything with my parents. Today, first day with some knowledge of the incest, being around people at work and walking around I was SO different. I felt almost normal for the very first time in my life. This is better than any drug I've ever had! Before last week, when I finally unlocked some of my repressed memories, I was restocking for my next suicide, now, that's all beginning to take the form of a repressed memory. I guess you might say I'm leaving Bizarro world. No, I want to know more! I even looked at a woman today in a healthy way, and I don't ever recall being hetero.

I now have to work on my anti-social ways, habits and all the other BS coping schemes that have come to protect and define me. With any luck, maybe one day I'll even learn to be myself.

Michael
 
Hi all, great to be here.

This is a lie:
I'm a victim
It sure is!

Welcome to male survivor territory, Michael!

You're the first and only person I mentioned to about thinking it was my father with ~assistance from my mom.
Michael, with me it was apparently my mother with assistance from my father, or just both. After my mother divorced my father when I was 3-4, she sexually & emotionally incested me until I was 11.

I still love my parents even thinking about what I now believe they did to me.
Michael I know what my parents did to me, and loving them is at best a slow process for me. But that's still progress. :rolleyes:

It all just fits too neatly; the
'sex' - which I think was he showed me on me how to masturbate and then had me do him,
All of this just finally came together for me out of the bits & pieces of suppressed & dissociated memories, following a car accident I had about 2 weeks ago:

My father was forcing me into mutual masturbation & *ral, and also at least trying to do me *nal, when I was 2-3 at most. He did much of this to me as an infant while shaking me until my back bent & my head snapped back. I am a survivor of SIS (Shaken Infant Syndrome) as well as CSA.
:mad: :(
My younger brother ultimately did not survive it.

me always wanting to do sex related things with my friends (me 5+),
Michael I also was sexually overexposed & way overactive. My first consensual sex was when I was 8 or 9, by which time I was already becoming sexually addicted.

tending to be rough with others like a bully and being brutally beaten by my dad w/o blood being drawn all before I was 10.
I tended to try to avoid fights usually tho when I fought I could get pretty brutal--and if anyone messed with my brother all bets were off.

My father did hit me some but mostly shook me. My stepfather tried to make up for that in one year of beatings with belts in his drunken rages.

But he damn well left my brother alone!

To think I in all probability, at age 7 or 8 mind you, saved my mother's life from him. The bitch doesn't even remember it, or so she claims.
:eek:
I guess that would be applying too much goodness to me. Or maybe she feels too guilty to want to feel as if she owes me anything much less her life

I always took responsibility for being a bastard of a kid and deserving of the beatings. Seems the more I got beat the more I would find ways to piss him off.
Sounds like kinda what I did with my mother, tho her beatings, or hits, weren't so severe. She was & is a total narcisist who made me her surrogate husband and surrogate father to my brother so I was responsible for everything & everything was my fault. I got to where I enjoyed getting the bitch mad! :p

I've lived 50 years without emotions and empathy for others comes delayed after having to think it out.
Michael I'm 46. I feel like I lived most of my life w/o emotions too, at least emotions of my own

As to empathy for others that is coming but it has
not come easily for sure. Most of what empathy I had was put into my brother and died with him as I entered early adulthood. It began to be restored
when about 5 years later I became a Christian. More thru my 23 years of marriage & raising 2 now grown daughters. More yet when I started therapy about 13 years ago, diagnosed (dx) with severe clinical depression. Then more with my continuing health decline & dx of FM (fibromyalgia, chronic
pain) over 4 years ago. Particularly more since I
began recovery & began recalling & dealing with my
CSA almost 2 years ago, having now been dx with
Complex PTSD & OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder)

My long (OCD) way of saying empathy will come more
& more in steps & events over time as you grow more & more from victim to survivor. It sounds to me like you're well on the way and may have more empathy already than you might feel like you do.

I mean at least you're even thinking about it!

I hate being touched anywhere, not yet that I've freaked, I just lock up tight.
Ditto, Michael. I used to find it strange how as oversexed as I am I can still lock up or even freak. I would try like crazy to get into sexual situations with girls then would lock up, get all twisted up, or do something to sabotage it. But now that I remember the CSA I understand better, am slowly unlocking...

No, you're wrong, I hope I'm correct about everything with my parents.
Yeah becuz if not then I'm really crazy (ok maybe I am anyway ;) ! )

Today, first day with some knowledge of the incest, being around people at work and walking around I was SO different. I felt almost normal for the very first time in my life. This is better than any drug I've ever had!...I guess you might say I'm leaving Bizarro world. No, I want to know more!...
Thanks Michael for such a positive & powerful description of your ESH (Experience Strength Hope)
as you move from victim to survivor! :cool:

I now have to work on my anti-social ways, habits and all the other BS coping schemes that have come to protect and define me. With any luck, maybe one day I'll even learn to be myself.

Michael
Michael I'd say you're already learning--a lot! Take care of yourself, take your time in your own recovery, and take it easy on yourself. :)

Victor
 
Thanks Victor,
Half way through today, which started out equally as excellent as yesterday, the depression and suicide alternative thoughts creeped in. Was hoping for that magical 'poof' it's gone, but I need to remember it's been a long time in sculpting the gargoyle I became. However, I think I am finding comfort in unlocking the secrets. I just wish I could talk to some one about those secrets to keep them from being secrets and keeping them unlocked.

Whatever my parents did to me, I can't not love them. I've done some pretty vile things also, sexually and in war. I still want to believe we can be forgiven. While NEVER forgetting what brought me here, forgiving, I believe, is the only way to freedom for me anyway. Maybe my retarded emotional development allows me the luxury of that beautiful child quality of simplicity.

You have the high ground! Not your mom.

Thanks for being here for me
and I for you,
Michael
 
Michael
there's a patch of high ground here for you as well, step right up and share your secrets whenever you feel right.

There's good support and friendship here.

Be strong
Dave
 
Thanks Victor,
Half way through today, which started out equally as excellent as yesterday, the depression and suicide alternative thoughts creeped in. Was hoping for that magical 'poof' it's gone, but I need to remember it's been a long time in sculpting the gargoyle I became. However, I think I am finding comfort in unlocking the secrets. I just wish I could talk to some one about those secrets to keep them from being secrets and keeping them unlocked.
Michael I'm so glad you did not give in to those suicidal thots, which I can relate to, and that you are overcoming your depression, which I also relate to.

You're right there are no magic pills or waving of magic wands for this. I was abused for a long time & have lived a long time with the resulting dysfunctions. I am a survivor but I will not just snap my fingers and become a thriver overnight.

Talking about the abuse & the secrets here has really helped me. Live support helps to and there is a support group a distance away I make it to some. My therapist has also been a huge help.

Michael I hope you can find live support & particularly a good therapist if you haven't already. I know you will find good support here.

Whatever my parents did to me, I can't not love them. I've done some pretty vile things also, sexually and in war.
Michael, I guess my parents just weren't around enuf. When they were they were usually abusive in some way. Still I know indeed I've done some pretty rotten things in my life myself.

For me the key to loving my parents, or loving anybody, is to first love myself. This is something I'm just learning to do.

I still want to believe we can be forgiven. While NEVER forgetting what brought me here, forgiving, I believe, is the only way to freedom for me anyway. Maybe my retarded emotional
development allows me the luxury of that beautiful
child quality of simplicity.
No Michael I don't believe it's your retarded emotional development, tho I do believe there is such a thing & that I have it.

I agree with you that while I can never forget the abuse, forgiveness is the key to freedom for me; the forgiveness if for me, my health, my recovery. I believe we can be forgiven. I think it begins with forgiving myself, and forgiving for myself.

You have the high ground! Not your mom.
Thanks for the reminder. She's thousands of miles away & out of contact with me, yet sometimes I still let her control me. :rolleyes:

Thanks for being here for me
and I for you,
Michael
Yes, thank you too Michael. It is good we can be here for one another. Take care.

Victor
 
Hey Victor,
I look forward to coming here, it restores strength I seem to lose during the day. Funny how I'm changing in so many ways in such a very short time. I've had a moustache since 1970 and this morning I shaved it off. I always felt my mouth was deformed. Looking at it after shaving, it didn't look that bad.

This morning it dawned on me, I don't know who I am. I mean, the person I was supposed to be. I wonder now what would have become of me?

Stay well,
Michael
 
Michael,

Keep coming there is a lot of strength here.
Strength to help you be the best person you can be. And you can be. The abuse did not take that away from us. That was what happened to us not who we are. You are you. Be you Michael. You're alright man!

Victor
 
Michael Mike Church here.

I have read this thread for some time now and did not know how to respond. But I think I do now.

I posted under MaleSurvivor a post called " Millions of True Stories". Please read it. I think it will answer a lot of things for you.

This morning it dawned on me, I don't know who I am. I mean, the person I was supposed to be. I wonder now what would have become of me?
You know Michael you can be what you want to be and not what you think others want. Be yourself and be proud of it. You are not alone here brother wolf. Just look around you. You ever seen total strangers so concerned, caring, thoughtful, non judgemental or full of brotherly love. I havent.

But heal we must because to do otherwise lets the assholes who brought evil to us win. And that they cannot do. You are a decent human being and your posts indicate that. Your strength is your surival. Pat yourself on the back for that. You are a full fledged member of this pack of wolves. Together we are a force that will not be stopped.

aaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEE
Surrender!. Sir I have just begun to fight- John Paul Jones
 
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