As a victim of child pornography....

As a victim of child pornography....

JayBro

Registrant
These last few days I have been feeling extremely triggered.

I look somber and numb on the outside, but on the inside I am scared, angry, sad, full of sorrow, terrified, and confused.

I cannot get over the spread and availability of child pornography on the internet, including stuff like stories which are not even based on real people but still normalize and perpetuate this behaviour. WHY DOES THIS EXIST? Why does this carry on?? I feel so powerless and overwhelmed. I feel heart broken. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS? I wish I could some how save everyone, save those being abused now, in the past, and in the future. Even save those children and youth in stories or animations who don't exist in the real world. I wish the internet didn't make it so easy for people to produce, upload, profit from, exchange, and access child pornography.

I don't feel any sympathy or sorrow for myself, but I feel responsible for everyone else. I feel re-traumatized as I move into this stage in my recovery.

I want to cry- I REALLY WANT TO CRY, SCREAM, YELL, RUN TO THE POLICE, but I can't. I am silent. I am scared. I am timid. I am encumbered.

Just the fact that this stuff is existing and is easily accessible makes me feel forever unsafe.
 
Sending you an extra dose of love and support, JayBro. Don
 
It's a hard world we live in. But right here, on this forum and in this company, you're safe. Your thoughts are safe. Your feelings are safe. Your worries can rest here and be safe. We can't change the world overnight, but we're taking this one day at a time, one heartbreak at a time. You can make a difference, and you can start by healing. You can do that here, too. This is a safe place to heal. Bless you. I'm not even sure what my own religion is, but I'll be praying for you, my brother. You are in my thoughts. Different people have been there for me when I've had hard, hard days.... And right now, your brothers on this site will be here for you. Seek peace, and when you find some, hold onto it. You can do it. Bob
 
Hey JayBro,

I have no idea what it is like to be the victim of a child porno. And I have no idea what it is like to know that there is that stuff out there.

But I would like to say that child porn isn't "easily accessible". I think that because of the sheer illegality of the subject, that someone would have to look for it quite fervently in order to find it online. I keep hearing about pedophile rings that are dismantled by authorities after lengthy investigations - the secretive and exclusive nature of these 'rings'.

So I would just like to say this - I believe that perverts like pedophiles would have to actively and aggressively search out child porn in order to find it. It's NOT easily found online. All I know is that I have never encountered it online, and I also have never looked for it (and yes, I watch porn online).
 
JayBro

Thoughts are with you. Child porn is horrific. It is not consensual and takes a child to a place no child should have to go. It sensationalize through film and imagery the despicable acts of genuinely deranged people on a child. For a child to have to live it over and over and have it available for viewing is beyond comprehension. I would not want to see my abuse on film nor would I want anyone else to view it.

Take care of yourself. You are recovering and all the emotions are flooding inside. You need to let them out, writing, talking with a friend, support group, T or doctor. We are here to listen.

Kevin
 
I hear you, Jay
My involvement in child porn as a kid was brief, but it left deep scars for sure. As an adult I cringe when I read about porns rings being busted or pictures or video being found, always wondering if I am one of the kids on those computers. It is a helpless feeling and it makes me hate the world. Which is not a feeling I like having.
I'm sorry any kid has to go through that, and that any adult has to live with the helplessness and anger and fear that comes later.
Peace
Ben
 
Hey JayBro,

Man, I have been where you are too many times to count. I think I wrote a very similar post a while back. Im sorry you are feeling so bad right now. My abuse involved a lot of child pornography, both pictures and film, and I know what it is like to be triggered like that. Sometimes, I go and seek out news stories involving child pornography, looking for similar stories to mine, and what happened with the kids. My T calls it emotional cutting, like trying to numb myself out by exposing myself to triggers. I dont know. Sometimes it feels healthy, other times it does not. It may have more to do with my state of mind going into it than anything else.

Having been through this enough times to be an expert on it, I have to say that it is important when you get to this space, to take a step back, and try to reframe. For me, this fear, anger, and sadness comes up because I have tapped into that space inside me that was a boy at the time of the abuse, and at the time the pornography was either being made or was being discussed. When I was a boy, I had no frame of reference for what my perp was doing to me. The fact that he took photos and made movies of me bing sexually abused is just a deeper layer of debasement and humiliation.

It was also the nail in the coffin of my very weak plans to tell that were faintly crackling inside me like embers of an almost extinguished fire. My perp told me once it was captured on film, that he had proof that I was in it with him. Proof that I was an accomplice, a willing participant. It became leverage to maintain my silence. All of those thoughts you mention above of wanting to tell, wanting to run to my parents, wanting to go to the Police, wanting to scream, wanting to yell I had to bury deep down inside, along with the abuse. The kicker is that those feelings I stuffed way down deep just never went anywhere. They stayed there waiting, frozen in time until I was able to deal with it.

I often liken the work I have done on my CSA as a lot like breathing. You do all this intense work, and build up your strength, and get ready for something. The work feels like a long, deep inhale, like you are building and building up to something. I used to always think something dramatic would occur after the work, but it rarely is that way. Instead, it is just like a big, long exhale. Like all that works sole purpose was to just release and let this air out, all to just get ready for the next big inhale of the next step on the road. But often, in the exhale, stuff comes up from those deep places. Those intense feelings buried are released, sometimes very thinly, sometimes in a torrent. And the feelings come up, and it feels like you are in that moment, feeling the panic, the need to do something. To move, to scream, to yell, to cry. You finally get to do the things you were too paralyzed to do in the moment when it happened.

I guess what I am trying to say in a very roundabout way is to remember to be good to yourself. Open up to these feelings and claim them. Anytime there is numbness and distance on the outside, and a boiling cauldron of mixed emotions on the inside, it means you are dissociated a bit. You tapped into that space you had to keep as a boy between the survival tactics and the feelings. Those were parallel roads in crisis, they didnt merge. Now that you are healing, you get to merge those streams. So try to focus on owning that rage, sorrow, and indignation you are feeling about the world and other suffering survivors. Those feelings are really about you and what you have suffered and are suffering. It is your minds way of releasing them. Be gentle toward yourself, now in that moment, more than any other.

The world can seem a very bad place, full of very bad people. Sometimes, when I read all of those stories, I see the awful aspects of humans who do unspeakable things to others. I see the very light sentences for abusing boys and making them do pornography. It sometimes makes me lose a few ounces of faith, like drops of blood. I get weak. There was a moment in my abuse where I was being forced to do porn with a man. I was pretty young, not even 10. And it dawned on me that other people were going to watch this. Before, I had kept it as this thing that only my perp would see. But, when he started bringing in other men, talking about the details of the movies, it really made me scared and nauseous. It made me realize that while I couldnt see them, there were people out there that were watching this. There were people out there who wanted to see this. So, instead of horrible things happening to me in a little room between me and a couple of men, it suddenly became a bigger thing. My boyhood fear spun it out to imagining movie theatres full of perps watching it in my mind. All those eyes watching in the dark. It is that fear that I tap into sometimes when I get triggered. That is what it feels like. Like somewhere out in the world all of those eyes are watching me at the absolute worst and terrifying moments of my life.

But, I tend to have a more balanced view now that I have done this work for a while. I realize that there are just as many good as bad people in the world. When I was commenting about the Boston marathon bombing and how awful the world was getting, a friend told me that it was indeed awful, but to look to the first responders and the spectators that rushed to help. There, he said, is the proof of the good in the world. So, I read those stories now, and I see the task forces, the police, the prosecutors, the child advocates, working in tandem to bust these huge pornography rings. I know there are teams of people like this all over the world whose mission in life is to make the world safer for children. I see 90 year sentences for abusers, makers, and distributers of child porn. And I realize that maybe somewhere out there, an image of me in porn on someones computer might be the very thing that those police find that lets them bust the perp, or even a ring, and send him to jail. That may be a fantasy in my mind, but no less a fantasy than thinking theatres full of people are watching my abuse. It is a healthier fantasy, and one I would much rather entertain.

JayBro, I have known you for a while on this site, and we have exchanged PMs. So, I feel I know you a bit. What has always struck me about you is the depth of your compassion, but also your eagerness to be a positive force for change in the world. You are constantly looking for ways that you can make the world better. Whether it is volunteering at local centres, taking classes to improve your knowledge and abilities, or reaching out to other survivors, you are active in your work around your issues and the issues of other survivors. The truth is you are the worlds response to the awful things that happen in the world. You are the counterbalance. With the work you are doing, and the plans you have for the future, you are a first responder. Proof positive that there are indeed good things in this world. When I feel bad about the world, it is people like you that pop up in my mind as confirmation and reason to keep the faith in the good side of humanity.

Sorry about the very long response. I am infamously wordy. Which is likely why I dont post much anymore. But, I saw this and had to reach out to you because I could have written it. It was just a big me too moment. Im here and listening to you, JayBro.
 
Jaybro,

Your presence and active participation on this site is a lot of help in informing others. No question, child porn is a crime against all humanity.

With every post on these threads, I feel we send the message to potential perps "out there" that we are aggressively exposing their tactics and their hiding places.
 
Todd. That's some wisdom you wrote. Thank you. I didn't not experience the specific hell you experienced, but everything you said... and particularly about the inhaling and exhaling... wow. Wonderfully apt descriptions. Thank you.

Bob
 
Todd. That's some wisdom you wrote. Thank you. I didn't experience the specific hell you experienced, but everything you said... and particularly about the inhaling and exhaling... wow. Wonderfully apt descriptions. Thank you.

Bob
 
Thank you so much to everyone who has posted on this thread.

You have all moved me so greatly, and I sat with these words of validation, support, kindness, and love all week, so inspired and not sure what to write. It means so much to me to be understood and supported. During this past week, I read over your responses several times and thought about them over and over: it really did help to get the scary emotions I was feeling last week to subside and allow themselves to be deconstructed. And many of you certainly nailed it with your descriptions and explanations on the effect of child pornography on the victims, as well as the unavailability of it to mainstream audiences in the grand scheme of things. I think what sometimes re-traumatizes me is seeing regular porn sites which have stuff that resembles child abuse, be it in role plays or written stories. That kind of stuff is so unwanted- it is like my abusers coming back from the dead and hijacking my healthy adult sexuality- and makes me so angry that people would want to have such a "thing" be produced.

In the past week, I emailed the executive of male survivor and requested that a separate message board be set up for victims of child pornography and cyber victimization. I also feel really motivated to (incrementally) do more to help tackle the effects of this kind of abuse. I try to think of my pain as a gift which has provided me a motivational calling in my life to somehow help others. That world view really does keep my head up.

I am so thankful for you all my brothers! Sending you all much love.
 
I'm sorry that Dillon has taken a leave of absence and I'm really sorry I never saw this thread.

magellin said:
But I would like to say that child porn isn't "easily accessible". I think that because of the sheer illegality of the subject, that someone would have to look for it quite fervently in order to find it online. I keep hearing about pedophile rings that are dismantled by authorities after lengthy investigations - the secretive and exclusive nature of these 'rings'.

So I would just like to say this - I believe that perverts like pedophiles would have to actively and aggressively search out child porn in order to find it. It's NOT easily found online. All I know is that I have never encountered it online, and I also have never looked for it (and yes, I watch porn online).

Like JayBro mentions that child porn is not only the porn of actual children but are expressed in the pornographic child stories that are fiction posted on the web for pervs to get off on. There is also porn in drawings depicting children in various ways. Why this has to exist, I don't know but the same question asked why does anything illegal have to exist. People are human beings. There are people who perpetrate crimes and there are people that don't.

Even though it is hard to find true raunchy child porn on the web it is not impossible and if someone tries long enough I'm sure it can be found. The porn doesn't have to be just of naked children but could also be children in suggestive poses. It is possible with an easy Google search to find pictures of me in bathing suits, underwear and in showers being declared innocent but they are suggestive to the perv. I've had thousands of pictures of me taken while I was in the game and they weren't all taken by perverts but by people making a good monetary living by creating porn for the consumption of perverts. These people are the worst kind of slime.

My time in porn was pre internet and digital. It is now found on the web in digital form. so someone thought that these old photographs of me whether they were only suggestive or outright raunchy was worth the money to put out there. While I never have seen any or my pictures that were raunchy or were it is true porn I have seen a bunch of my suggestive pictures. These just happen to have been found while trying to find people and places in my past, so I wasn't even trying to look for me but rather others involved in my past. They are all legal (I guess) but I doubt that anyone here wouldn't say that they are very suggestive and are on the web for only one reason - for the perv to get off on. Seeing myself as a kid on the web was really very, very triggering.

I was never able to be with any of my 6 kids or my grandchildren. I could not hug them, change diapers, put them to sleep, do homework with them, play ball, roll around on the grass with them, etc, etc, etc. My 4 year old granddaughter came down last summer and rang the door bell. I opened the door and here was this naked 4 year old coming into my apartment looking for grandma. I actually saw flashbulbs going off like days past and I just closed the door went down to my dungeon and got drunk. It was the only way for me to stop the flashbulbs and memories.

I've had plenty of photo shoots where the photographer couldn't care less about me aside from making him money. Putting pictures of me in my almost revealing underwear on the web was for one purpose and that's so some pervert could get off on it. Posting pictures of me in a string swimsuit or a really skimpy speedo is legal but is on the web for only one reason and that's for a perv to get off on.

I knew and was best friends with a family that were naturists. They had taken family pictures in the buff and I see no problem with that ( I was in some of the pictures ). I could not look at innocent pictures like that because it would trigger me badly even though they are innocent family pictures. If those pictures were on the net there would be pervs getting off on them. So you can take the same picture and react in 3 different ways, healthy, triggering and pornographic.

Because of me being involved in pornography it has killed my lifetime being or playing with my children and now my grandchildren. I have never been able to use a camera and I could never take a family picture with a child sitting on my lap. Having sex with my wife now is impossible, I feel like I'm either being raped or I'm raping someone. Walking on the street in the city I'm paranoid that someone is going to abduct me from behind so I have to stop 2 or 3 times walking down a block to make sure I'm not being followed.

Peace, Rainbows, Love, Healing & Hope
 
(((Jeff))),

The pain never never seems to go away for you, no matter how much you try.

But try you must, to eventually come to terms within yourself.
Your innocense in all of this, has yet to come through.

But, my brother (Jeff))) there is always hope that some day it will all come together for you in healing.

So you can finally along with others in this thread receieve the Peace & Serenity that you/we all deserve in our life.

"I will take that lost boys hand, and i will lead him from the depths of darkness, into the sunshine, forever into eternity."
As he is me.

Love, Hugs, Hope & Healing.

Pete..Irishmoose.
 
Jeff

Sorry you are hurting. It is really sad we cant do the things that are so simple and bring kids joy. I hope the pain of our experiences get taken away and we can have some joys in life.
Jeff i hope the healing gets easier for you.

Ws
 
hey JayBro

It's been a while since I've re read this thread but I just have a few thoughts I'ld like to mention. As you probably know from other threads that I was a prostitute and both photos and movies made with me in them. The movies were really vicious and sadistic.

JayBro said:
....WHY DOES THIS EXIST?....
People want it because they are really fucked up. They will do anything just to get their jollies with kids. People want this shit so much they are willing to take a chance at going to jail. Look at what happened with the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts. The church and the boy scouts let this all go on for who knows how long. I haven't read why these huge organizations let this happen.

JayBro said:
....WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS?....
For the jollies. Look at the Subway sandwich guy. He didn't do it for the money he had millions. he just had this urge to get inside boy's pants.

There are many more organizations that look the other way and there are many many more people who have that urge to get into boy's pants.

I was taken to many parties that lasted from what I understand for weeks, 24/7. At 12 when I was taken to my first party they would give me drugs to make me more manageable, nobody wants a screaming kid. I was striped and had a dress put on me. I still don't understand why they wanted to dress me as a girl. I did have long hair but there had to be some underlying reason that those heterosexual assholes went crazy over boys dressed as girls. After the "caterers" were ready for the next course and I was well done I was taken out into the main room which was huge and stood me up on a chair and then the auctioneer would sell me to the highest bidder. I would be taken away to a private room. When the guy was finished he left me on the bed and the next guy came in. After a few hours I was taken back to the apartment I stayed in the village with three other kids. I might have been taken back to the party later that day or the next.

Drugs? OMG, I forget how many guys would put some powder on the tip of their finger and stick it up my nose. I really have very little memories of these parties. I just remember being sold and then having a guys finger stuck in my nose. If I was bleeding too much I was taken away.

So here you see that there are perverts that want the kids and the perverts that will provide the kids. One does not exist without the other. During the '60s when I was used really big organizations ran the skin trade and also owned the gay bars. All they wanted was the money. They ran movie production houses where they made movies where kids were tortured and brutalized. I'm believe very strongly that snuff movies exist. I might have been indirectly involved in some. I had to do shit with kids that really looked dead.

To get rid of these dead kids was not that hard. No you don't find them alongside the road or floating in the river but rather buried in the same casket along with a legitimate burial. You can find them turned into ash. There is no trace of the kid to be found. He just disappeared from the earth. How many large organizations can make things like that happen. We all know the answer to that since we see them in TV and movies. They do this shit because there is money in the product they supply.

Then there was that part of me used for johns. I had to do what they wanted. All they wanted was to get into my pants and money wasn't a barrier. Not all the johns were raping me, some of then just wanted company and some just wanted to be entertained. Sometimes I was taken for a whole weekend.

Then there were the thousands of photos taken of me. In the early '60s you had the boy magazines that were sold at newsstands. When they finally outlawed the magazines they went underground and now all that shit is buried in the deep dark web.

So why does this exist. 1) money, 2) Money, 3) MONEY

So why do people do this? They're 1) sick, 2) Sick, 3) SICK

If we're able to stop only one side the other will also vanish.

Will it ever stop? I don't think so since the demand is so great and money is not a problem. All the johns I was rented out to were all high class people. there were no 1 hour or trick guys. The majority of johns I was with was in their apartments and not in some motel dump that rented rooms for an hour or two. These high class men were lawyers, doctors and I'm sure there were diplomates.

Because of all this I have never taken my wife out to dinner or see a movie or take any kind of vacation. I never did homework with any of my kids, played ball or went fishing. I think that I'm married for 37 years (???). I have spent the majority of my non working hours in my dungeon in the basement of my house. The reason I mention this is that I was talking to a guy who works for the same company as I do. He mentioned how he goes hiking with his kids and do geocaching at the same time. They go bowling together, go to baseball games. That person to me is a normal person who made the most of his time on earth.

I find that in general life sucks and I guess I made life for my family suck also with regards to me. Otherwise I have a great wife, 6 great kids and a bunch of grandkids. So I condemned myself to solitary confinement where life has passed me by. Now I'm ready for the rest of my life.

Peace, Rainbows, Love, Healing & Hope
 
thank you for your courage and bravery, lapchinj.
your survival and your story are extremely valuable.
you have truly summed up the "inconvenient truth",
that needs to be told, again and again.
you certainly answered the questions!



lapchinj said:
So why does this exist. 1) money, 2) Money, 3) MONEY

So why do people do this? They're 1) sick, 2) Sick, 3) SICK


i could paraphrase your brilliantly conceived and composed answer in another way, hopefully without diminishing or detracting the simple blunt impact of your statement's accuracy.

So why does this exist. 1) power, 2) Power, 3) POWER

So why do people do this? They're 1) evil, 2) Evil, 3) EVIL
 
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