Anybody else also experience emotional abuse?

Anybody else also experience emotional abuse?

AndyS87

Registrant
Back in therapy and coming to terms with this now myself - totally separate from the CSA, in my case, but it looks like it was probably a lot more damaging. CSA was from 5-9 or 10 years old. I don't remember when exactly the emotional abuse stuff started, but it was prevalent in literally every part of my life, home or school, until I was 18 and went to college. By then, I had so many coping behaviors I wasn't aware of that I sure as hell didn't set myself up for good friendships or relationships there - I am lucky I got out with two or three really solid friends from those years. Anyway...

Ten years ago I went into therapy for the first time for my CSA. That lasted 3 years, and was a lot of working through PTSD from a few specific occurences. I remember my T saying back then, "Sometimes what brings us in the door is only the beginning".

I am having a really tough time with emotional abuse now as well, probably because I never saw it that was myself, and figured it was just normal stuff that happened in my family, cause hey, who has a family that ISN'T a little dysfunctional?

In sorting through this now, I feel like damned near everything I do somehow connects back to this - isolation, self doubt, feelings of low self worth, being a fundamentally undesirable individual - all feelings I kind of just said "well whatever" to and buried. If I found out any kids who I teach were ever being treated the way I was, I'd be doing everything I could to change their situations - I am floored that nobody saw any of those signs in me, or if they did, that they just ignored them or let them happen.
 
I've read some things here, which the men know I care dearly, and love them for all the human needs we have. There's so much that happens to steer who we are. Getting emotionally abused is a very difficult situation, it can take a lot of extra therapy. It is for me too, and I've barely begun.

I trigger when I read, "You get what you give". Like, I gave bullies of siblings reason to belittle me for my differences. Like my face was just there at the end of their fist because I put it there. Or others, who say, "I'm self a self made man". There's a rage in me about people who don't have a clue. Then there's a gentleness in me for we who experienced it.


Yeah, Andy there's a ton of topics here about this. I know how much it's affected me, and I'm sorry it's gotten to you too. I've very sorry. In my case, I don't see any hope from the emotional side. I'm seeing some changes due to the rape and other physical things, but the depth of pain from the emotions hits harder, much harder. Maybe in your case, you've answers, and maybe I've not found it yet. Maybe there's an answer?
 
Ceremony, I agree. I remember my mother once telling my sister that bruises and broken bones eventually heal, but words cut forever

James, mine were two separate things. Sexual abuse from my cousin, emotional abuse from my family in general and at school in the form of persistent long term bullying.

I've spoken before about my sister, but she's close enough in age to me that I feel like it's not right to say she was consciously being emotionally abusive - she had no more control over her words, actions, and impulses than I did. My parents both lived in dysfunctional homes - my mother's mother is bipolar and wasn't around much of her childhood. My mother's sisters were distant and didn't spend much time around her or really acknowledge her, and my grandfather on that side was a *raging* alcoholic. Early on, my father had a "normal" childhood as far as 1960's standards. My grandfather on that side may have been pretty strict on account of being a marine (shoes were NEVER allowed to be dirty, had to be able to bounce a quarter off the bedsheets), but by all indications it was all good. Then he get a neurological disease and had to stop working, and it all went downhill from there.

Unbeknownst to me, I had both of my parents walking around not realizing fully that their own lives had been touched in that way. I had my mother being emotionally explosive growing up towards really any of us, my father being a borderline zealot and trying to motivate me through what he thought was "tough love", but was really telling me how disappointing I was, why I couldn't I do xyz? I "had the ability" (or so he said), I was "just too lazy to work at it". Yet, I would go to school where I had no friends and catch flak there. Sports practices? The only one I actually wanted to do was Judo. After a year my parents pulled me out and forced me to do soccer, which I hated (mostly because I had no talent for it, didn't understand it, and constantly had kids telling me how bad I was at it) and scouts, which I also hated, but my Dad forced me to do because he was into it. I also had no talent at that.

By the end of elementary school, I barely had any friends, was pudgy and poor at sports, had realized what was up about my CSA and terrified people would find out and use it to label me as any number of pejorative terms for a homosexual male (which they had already done anyways cause kids just do shit like that all the time), and generally had come to see myself as this kid who was good at NOTHING and was liked by NOBODY.

Sister was everything I wasn't, and by then had already decided I was a massive embarassment, so I'd get all the "you're a burden to the family"/ "nobody likes you anyways"/"we'd be better off if you were dead"/"if you ever find anybody you'll probably beat her up and be an abusive husband, but it won't matter cause nobody likes you anyway" types of comments regularly. She'd also try to incite me to violence, or really to just try to stand up for myself, because she knew my parents would punish me and let her slide. Mom and Dad viewed everything she did as "just kids being kids, our siblings said mean things and teased us and we were fine", etc. When I went into specific details the other night with my mom, she broke down and apologized profusely, saying she never knew...the fuck?! She was right there LISTENING TO IT the entire time. I also kind of low key hate that my parents, whether they knew it or not, basically taught me to just roll over and let people use me as a door mat. I couldn't ever stand up for myself, because "I was big and I might hurt somebody". This is especially weird to me, as my Dad seemed to otherwise be entirely disappointed in me. I'd have thought he'd have been proud for standing up and kicking somebody's ass, but I never did - too afraid of getting in trouble. The one kid he told me to go after was 5'8" and 170lbs in 5th grade, and despite the occasional argument, was a friend of mine (I was big for a fifth grader, but not even CLOSE to being that big).

Eventually, my parents got divorced - Dad got a lot cooler all of a sudden. Mom, who I stayed living with, got worse. There was MS at first, and so the meds she took for that had her all over the place mood-wise. I don't remember most of my childhood from around that time, just that I tried to stay with friends as often as possible. By then, I had four of five other guys in the neighborhood who were close friends then and are still very close, but that was about it.

Shit at school didn't change - if anything, it got worse. I didn't know how to deal with all the shit going on in my life, everybody hating me at school and trying to fit in(which caused me to try and be funny, which only made shit worse), and then going home and trying to isolate myself only to have either my Mom ask me to help her with something my Dad used to do, and then fucking BERATING me if I couldn't do it or if some accident happened, like the time I was helping her take screens out and a deck board broke on me - didn't even ask if I was OK, just started screaming about "AND NOW THE DECK'S BROKEN, AND I STILL CAN'T GET THIS SCREEN OUT" blah blah blah. Happened all the time.

My sister had gone full on "It's my life and I'll do what I want" mode, and Mom would ask me all the time what she should do about her. I usually suggested just basic accountability, and then I would get screamed at if she didn't like what I had to say. When I was at home trying to keep to myself after having people treat me like shit on the bottom of their shoes every day, my sister would come home and do whatever she could to seek me out and make sure I knew that I was lower than dirt, usually making sure to know that everybody would be happier if I was dead, or that I'd probably grow up to be an abusive maniac who beat his wife and kids if anybody ever pitied me enough to marry me.

All this, and my parents claimed they never had any idea what was going on at all. Mom still tries to minimize everything I tell her, though I have heard from my sister that she has acknowledged all these things to my sister, but can't talk about them with me. I guess she feels guilty, I don't know. I suppose I would too if I accidentally raised my child in a manner that caused them to not trust anybody and feel unlikable and undesirable at their most basic level - a burden, if you will.

I wonder on some level if the three of them (Mom, Dad, and Sister) all realize how badly they helped fuck me up, and that's why they're all nice to me now. But yeah, I feel like every time I start to think, "Hey, I'm getting good at this!" it falls apart. Every time I think I find a group of people where I'm like, "Hey, these people actually like me!", they turn out to not be the nicest people. Relationships are basically not possible - it takes me so long to open up and trust people (and I never truly trust) that they often move on before I can accept them into my life. There are people I've known for 4 or 5 years as good friends who openly tell me all the time how much they appreciate me and value me, and I can't help but wonder when exactly it is that they're going to stab me in the back or betray me. If friends or coworkers so much as seem mad around me, I automatically assume I did something to set them off. At my core, I still don't believe myself to be capable of anything worthwhile.

The slightest gestures of basic appreciation almost bring me to tears - a group of students I taught 5 years ago for about 6 months invited me to their graduations this past June. I was floored they even remembered me, and to be thanked, asked to come visit, and treated like I was actually valued blew me out of the water. I thanked as many of them as I could, but at the end of the day, I assume that in time they'll forget about me.


Don't know where the time went, but it's a work day tomorrow - goodnight guys.
 
Hi Andy,

AndyS87 said:
Anybody else also experience emotional abuse?
Yes. I figure most of what I endured was psychologically and emotionally hurtful behaviour from parents. The only potentially traumatizing physical events I remember were an undeserved (in my mind) spanking, circumcision, having my feet put in restraints (for pigeon toe) and hospitalization for a broken arm.

I tend to somaticize the emotional abuse and neglect so it shows up as body symptoms. These days I'm working on welcoming the body sensations as signs of an imbalance and seeing if I can learn what they are trying to say to me.

It is challenging to heal since negative emotions as a whole were repressed and undervalued in my family of origin. First I have to get over that hurdle. Certainly, in my mind, emotional trauma is less important than physical trauma so what I endured wasn't all that bad. What's my problem? That's another hurdle I have to jump. It's crazy making. The emotional context of my in utero infancy and very early childhood likely had a huge impact on my physical health later on in life. It also set the stage for later CSA. Now physical illness is something most people respect. It's tragic that it has to come to that. If the emotional roots had been dealt with, I may have retained my health.

There are many damaging cultural messages around emotional hurts that I find challenging too: We can't see the hurt so it couldn't be all that bad, suck it up buttercup etc... This is particularly true for men.

Best wishes for your healing journey at this level. I know it's challenging.

Cheers,

S
 
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Hi Andy

I think I started to lie to my parents when I was about 7. I was lying about where I had been. As I couldn't tell them where I had been a what I had been doing. I had been being abused by an older boy on the next street fo a few years. He made me feel good about what was going on and never hurt me. I believe I had a crush on him and didn't want anything to change.

He started to share me with 2 other men, they were not gentle with me. I bled from penetration and after I got home I would have to clean my self and get rid of my underwear.

I guess I started to do a lot of things I wasn't supposed to. My Dad started to punish me or thats what he called it. For fuck sakes I was being used by 3 men at that point and no one was catching on. I was acting out I think hoping to get caught but then fearing that as then people would know. This was about when the verbal abuse started.

I was told I was being bad and disobeying all the rules what was the matter with me was I stupid it sure seemed like it as I never did as I was told. This is also where his worst words started to sink in. I never made good or right decisions and i didn't seem to fit in at all at home, at school,at sports and at church.

As I got older it got worse. I started to get into trouble at school and would get the strap and told I had better start to fit in or there would be more of this. Then on the days I got the strap at school I got striped and whipped with my Dad's belt.

At 11 they were fast loosing patients with me. I was sent to a Child Psychologist. He just came right out and asked me if my dad was doing anything inappropriate with me. I never said a word at this point I knew what had been going on was not good I wasn't special I was being abused.

Things continued to get worse my Dad's whippings and the strap at school started to hurt less. At 13 I was told I was worthless and didn't fit in at home or anywhere else and kicked out on to the street. Life got away worse for me now. I still don't feel I fit in anywhere. I can't go any further right now.

Peace be safe

Esterio
 
AndyS87 -

" Anybody else also experience emotional abuse? "

yes - i have had it all - physical, verbal, emotional and sexual abuse and it is complicated. it is very difficult to separated the emotional from the physical and verbal and sexual abuse because it was all so intertwined. the verbal abuse was often also both sexual and emotional abuse. and the physical and sexual abuse was usually accompanied by verbal and emotional abuse. there were a few times when physical and verbal abuse did not carry sexual abuse with them - but they were loaded with emotional abuse.

i think you are correct when you say that the emotional abuse was a lot more damaging. the body sometimes heals much more quickly and completely than the mind and emotions.

Lee
 
I hope I figure out how to express my depth of love here at MS. The vulnerable parts of each of us, met with care, compassion, and validation. It overwhelms me, it's like friends. It just overwhelms me.
 
(((((((Ceremony)))))))

- we do care about one another. i hope that you can feel that coming back to you. we share a lot of ups and downs as we go through the journey - as well as what we reveal about the past. the support and responses and affirmation and validation is all so, so important - and really does help in the healing process.

- Lee
 
The emotional abuse for me started before the physical stuff, at a specialist boarding school where I didn't fit in with their rules system, was regularly told I was a criminal and would go to jail for doing things like not going to the right place at a bell etc.
Then of course the bullying and verbal and physical abuse at secondary school which got sexual pretty quicklly, it actually got to the point where I liked verbal abuse because I thought if it was verbal at least it wasn't anything else, stick and stones etc.

So yes, I get it.
The irony is I've ended up married to someone who didn't endure sexual abuse, but had plenty of emotional stuff and the odd bit of physical abuse as well, and its remarkable how similar our reactions to so many things are,

So yes, I definitely get this, actually what you said about basic gestures of worth nearly bringing you to tears really struck a cord with me, I remember the day someone in a lecture at uni told me she didn't mind if I sat next to her, honestly it felt like a rocket going off.

This tends to also mean that I over blow any friendship I have and assume that anyone who's willing to be friends with me is the most wonderful human being on the planet, ---- never mind the absolute angel I'm married to, which in turn tends to mean I get disappointed when people end up dropping contact, which makes me afraid bothering to try again.

So yes, I do get this. I do wish I an answer but unfortunately I don't.

Luke.
 
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